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[teh DRUMPf!!]

Anyone else think she makes a surprisingly good

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Divine?

 

Yes, minus the surprise. She looks the part and gets how the issues need be dealt with.

[themageguy]

Yes, minus the surprise. She looks the part and gets how the issues need be dealt with.

Right?

And its not like the mages suffer under her loyalist ways. They actually gain many privileges within the circle.

And a mage on the sunburst throne? That's a very big change for the world.

Its great

[Rundy Bundles]

Right?

And its not like the mages suffer under her loyalist ways. They actually gain many privileges within the circle.

And a mage on the sunburst throne? That's a very big change for the world.

Its great

I was tossing up between her and Cassandra, but Cass seems more the enforcing/secret-policing type than

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Divine.

I think I might go with Viv, but we'll see where the epilogue leads us. Most of my actions throughout the game so far give points into Viv and Cass on their end-game role. 

[TammieAZ]

Let's keep this on the first page.

[MattH]

I've never heard this conversation with Vivienne (my Inquisitors always aim to please with her) but she makes such sense its hard to find fault with her stance.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

I've never heard this conversation with Vivienne (my Inquisitors always aim to please with her) but she makes such sense its hard to find fault with her stance.

 

Nice find. I was not aware of that dialogue.

 

I've come to the conclusion that Vivienne is my favorite companion of this game. As a pro-Circle mage she was advertised as, I was cautiously optimistic, and she ultimately did an admirable job reflecting those views. Only issue is the elitist streak (not that I mind, but more in the way of being persuasive), but every character in these games has some flaw or another.

 

I am down with keeping this thread up on page-1. I've been looking around other fan threads and none of them really interest me too much. Not sure this one will generate much discussion, though, since the focus of her character is a topic that has been talked to death and arises in every other thread! Also, not an LI.

[Xilizhra]

My favorite line from Vivienne is when she speaks of her fears about abominations appearing among the Inquisition's allied mages... and then we never see any at all.

And seriously, Vivienne, regardless of your feelings about the mages, internal security is Cullen's job. Quit meddling.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

My favorite line from Vivienne is when she speaks of her fears about abominations appearing among the Inquisition's allied mages... and then we never see any at all.

And seriously, Vivienne, regardless of your feelings about the mages, internal security is Cullen's job. Quit meddling.

 

 

That is like suggesting that Leliana was wrong about saying that jailing the mages is a mistake and will lead us down the path that led to the rebellion, because ... we never see any problems arise from doing so at all!

 

I would also point out at this time that -- when initiating the In Your Heart Shall Burn quest -- Cullen says (if you recruited the mages) that "The best of the mages are ready." That's to say, they would have selectively chosen from the mage recruits to find the ones they believed "best" (probably insofar as mental fortitude) and are not just throwing anyone at the Breach indiscriminately, because the fear of possession was a valid concern and addressed appropriately -- whether the Inquisitor was wise enough to recognize this reality or not. IIRC, no similar line ("best of the") exists with the Templars, for whom the same concerns are obviously not an issue, although I may be forgetting since it's been some time since I last played.

 

And where do you think these mages got the training that made them fit for this task? Oh, right: The Circle!

[Xilizhra]

 

That is like suggesting that Leliana was wrong about saying that jailing the mages is a mistake and will lead us down the path that led to the rebellion, because ... we never see any problems arise from doing so at all!

 

I would also point out at this time that -- when initiating the In Your Heart Shall Burn quest -- Cullen says (if you recruited the mages) that "The best of the mages are ready." That's to say, they would have selectively chosen from the mage recruits to find the ones they believed "best" (most fit for the job, I figure), because the fear of possession was a valid concern and addressed appropriately (whether the Inquisitor was wise enough to recognize this reality or not). IIRC, no similar line ("best of the") exists with the Templars, for whom the same concerns are obviously not an issue, although I may be forgetting since it's been some time since I last played.

 

And where do you think these mages got the training that made them fit for this task? Oh, right: The Circle!

"The best of the mages are ready" for closing the Breach. The Inquisition took every last mage in the rebellion in, it's just that only the elite were selected to power up the PC's Mark. Vivienne's concern wasn't just for the Breach operation, but for daily living... and it turned out to be unnecessary.

 

As for your first paragraph, I admit it beggars my imagination to think that there could have been an abomination cascade in Haven or Skyhold that the Inquisitor never knew about.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

"The best of the mages are ready" for closing the Breach. The Inquisition took every last mage in the rebellion in, it's just that only the elite were selected to power up the PC's Mark. Vivienne's concern wasn't just for the Breach operation, but for daily living... and it turned out to be unnecessary.

 

As for your first paragraph, I admit it beggars my imagination to think that there could have been an abomination cascade in Haven or Skyhold that the Inquisitor never knew about.

 

Again, drawing deep into the memory banks here, but when I played the free-ally mage route I seem to recall her alluding to the Breach itself being the big threat to the mages' right minds. She does not raise this issue after closing it, anyway, so...

[Boost32]

Again, drawing deep into the memory banks here, but when I played the free-ally mage route I seem to recall her alluding to the Breach itself being the big threat to the mages' right minds. She does not raise this issue after closing it, anyway, so...

Xil came here to troll, the best thing you do is to ignore her, if you dont, you will be dragged into a circular argument.

[Xilizhra]

Xil came here to troll, the best thing you do is to ignore her, if you dont, you will be dragged into a circular argument.

I never troll.

 

I'm curious: how many here wanted her to be a romance option?

[raging_monkey]

I never troll.
 
I'm curious: how many here wanted her to be a romance option?

a fair amount

[Rundy Bundles]

I always saw Viv more as a friend/companion than LI, but I can see the appeal. 

[Akkos]

I always saw Viv more as a friend/companion than LI, but I can see the appeal. 

 

I wanted her to be my mistress or sugar mommy. Even though she is an elderly one I don't mind. I was left souless with the final LI reveal.

[MattH]

I never troll.

 

I'm curious: how many here wanted her to be a romance option?

I most definitely wanted her as a romance option. If she was one, i'd have thought it'd be human noble only though.

[daveliam]

I've never heard this conversation with Vivienne (my Inquisitors always aim to please with her) but she makes such sense its hard to find fault with her stance.

She definitely makes a compelling argument.  Her writer (Mary, right?) really knocked it out of the park with her.  She (Vivienne) might hold some extreme views, but she has a solid argument to back it up, unlike some of the others who use hyperbole and nonsense to back them up.....<cough, Sera, cough>

 

I've come to the conclusion that Vivienne is my favorite companion of this game. As a pro-Circle mage she was advertised as, I was cautiously optimistic, and she ultimately did an admirable job reflecting those views. Only issue is the elitist streak (not that I mind, but more in the way of being persuasive), but every character in these games has some flaw or another.

 

I agree with this 100%.  In fact, I might go as far as to say that she's my favorite companion in the entire series now.  I just love her.  I cringe a bit at some of her mean responses, particularly to Cole, but otherwise, I think she's smart, likeable, and a total badass.  Even my pro-mage alliance Inquisitor ended up with her as a close friend and confidant. 

 

I never troll.

 

I'm curious: how many here wanted her to be a romance option?

 

I was hopeful for her.  I was not impressed with either of the f/f options, so I was really hoping for Vivienne for one of my lady Inquisitors.  The problem is that my lady inquisitors are a dwarf and a qunari, so I'm not sure if Vivienne would have went for her anyway.  Although, I do imagine her as a true-love type of gal, given her sentimentality to Bastien and the romantic story she tells of falling in love with him at first sight across a ballroom floor. 

 

That being said, I'm perfectly happy with the fact that she's not a romance option and I think her friendship arc is one of the most enjoyable stories in the game for me.

[Xilizhra]

She definitely makes a compelling argument.  Her writer (Mary, right?) really knocked it out of the park with her.  She (Vivienne) might hold some extreme views, but she has a solid argument to back it up, unlike some of the others who use hyperbole and nonsense to back them up.....<cough, Sera, cough>

I will confess that she has moments of lucidity. I at least give her credit for not being paranoid about the mages conquering Thedas (of course, I suspect she might want a piece of that if it turned out to happen). But I'm irked by the fact that arguments with her are arbitrarily forced to end too soon; I especially wanted to respond to her question about how free a Dalish mage felt with "very, actually."

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 To the question of wanting the option of romance: yes, and no.

 

In the pre-release I figured she would be a LI and was interested. In fact, I see her as arguably the best-looking female in Inquisition.

 

However, now that I've played, I feel differently. I like the PC's relationship with her the way it is, especially as a Circle mage who said that the Ostwick First-Enchanter -- an old friend of Vivienne's -- was very dear to you. If you get along well with her, she kind of takes on that mother-hen role with your character. I rather liked that relationship, and would not want to make it romantic, even were the option available. I've never flirted with her. Didn't feel right.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I never troll.

 

I'm curious: how many here wanted her to be a romance option?

From what I've seen, quite a few people (including friends of mine) did. However, quite a few also lost interest following the confirmation that she isn't a LI.

 

Hell, this very thread has been slow since the confirmation. I can tell you it was never so slow before then.

[Cecilia]

She definitely makes a compelling argument.  Her writer (Mary, right?) really knocked it out of the park with her.  She (Vivienne) might hold some extreme views, but she has a solid argument to back it up, unlike some of the others who use hyperbole and nonsense to back them up.....<cough, Sera, cough>

 

 

I agree with this 100%.  In fact, I might go as far as to say that she's my favorite companion in the entire series now.  I just love her.  I cringe a bit at some of her mean responses, particularly to Cole, but otherwise, I think she's smart, likeable, and a total badass.  Even my pro-mage alliance Inquisitor ended up with her as a close friend and confidant. 

 

 

I was hopeful for her.  I was not impressed with either of the f/f options, so I was really hoping for Vivienne for one of my lady Inquisitors.  The problem is that my lady inquisitors are a dwarf and a qunari, so I'm not sure if Vivienne would have went for her anyway.  Although, I do imagine her as a true-love type of gal, given her sentimentality to Bastien and the romantic story she tells of falling in love with him at first sight across a ballroom floor. 

 

That being said, I'm perfectly happy with the fact that she's not a romance option and I think her friendship arc is one of the most enjoyable stories in the game for me.

 

I honestly don't think Viv's views were that extremist even - extremism has more to do with the starting point of society as opposed to what a player's opinions are and in that context, Viv is more moderate than extremist. She wants a gradual change that grants mages greater freedoms and autonomy without completing uprooting the system that is already in place. In fact, she doesn't even ask to be made Divine unless the Inquis brings it up - she supports Cassandra's platform which is pretty fair all around. Leliana is the extremist one of the three, if we're being completely objective, which is why I can't really ... support her. She wants too much change too fast and ignores the fact that before the Chantry, mages were actually allowed full freedom and power and we see what kind of society (TE) results from that. 

 

I have a lot of problems with freedom!mages because it's based off this idea that mages won't abuse their power to hurt the rest of society, which is ridiculous - mages are people and as fallible as people are. Most people are self-interested and will use their powers to advance their own interests at the cost of the interests of others. Mages/non-mages is almost like having a world in which only certain people are born with guns while the rest of society is armed with pre-industrial weapons - we can't seriously expect a society like that without gun control laws will function equitably.

[didjamom]

hate vivienne she's anoying as hell and just gets in the way

[Brevnau]

No, have you seen the hair in this game? She's better without.

 

That's a good point.

 

Bioware please add "Female hair" to the game, or just give all female npc's leliana & morrigans hair.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

I never troll.

 

I'm curious: how many here wanted her to be a romance option?

I still wish I could romance her with my female Inquisitors. I like Josephine and Sera, but they just don't really cut it for me as love interests. For Josephine it's mostly how immature that romance comes across. You just no Vivienne would have no patience for that nonsense.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I still wish I could romance her with my female Inquisitors. I like Josephine and Sera, but they just don't really cut it for me as love interests. For Josephine it's mostly how immature that romance comes across. You just no Vivienne would have no patience for that nonsense.

How is it immature, if you don't mind me asking?