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[SmilesJA]

Vivienne is more pro-circle than pro Templar. She acknowledges the Templar's role, but doesn't want them to police mages all the time.

[Han Shot First]

Mike Laidlaw has very odd ideas about what constitutes "moderate." Vivienne is as pro-templar as a mage can get without being all "PLEASE SMITE ME WITH YOUR ALLEGORICAL PHALLUS" like that one girl from Origins.

 

She's a lot more moderate than Fiona.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Funny how everyone says she's so great at being Divine but unless she has the Inquisitor's support, she does terribly as Divine. Guess she isn't all that great in reality.

[AresKeith]

Funny how everyone says she's so great at being Divine but unless she has the Inquisitor's support, she does terribly as Divine. Guess she isn't all that great in reality.

 

No one cares 

[Xilizhra]

She's a lot more moderate than Fiona.

I think Vivienne and Fiona are each about as far away from the center as the other. Further along from Fiona are the Hinterlands apostates, further along from Vivienne is Keili. In the center are people like Lylas and Rhys.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Funny how everyone says she's so great at being Divine but unless she has the Inquisitor's support, she does terribly as Divine. Guess she isn't all that great in reality.

 

Funny how you say everyone says something which, in reality, nobody said.

[TEWR]

Don't forget that Vivienne Greatly Approves if you suggest that mages should be part of the Chantry.

 

A dangerous idea to even really consider, because it's bound to lead back to Tevinter. They once had slavery outlawed and were ruled by non-mages for a time, until the whole schism thing had them allow mages join the Chantry, and little by little the old ways of the Imperium crept back up from the ground.

 

To be honest, I can't see Vivienne as politically savvy if she advocates/supports such ideas, because it marks her as short-sighted. And I can't see her realistically saying such things, not to me.

 

But then I adamantly have her as Grand Enchanter in my 'verse with Divine Giselle. 

 

Giselle has actually some steel in her. And a lot of sass. So she'd be a decent Divine. With Vivienne as GE, things are bound to improve for the Mages.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

*dp* 

[Boost32]

Funny how you say everyone says something which, in reality, nobody said.

I said that, and I still stand for her beng the best Divine imo =P

[teh DRUMPf!!]

I said that, and I still stand for her beng the best Divine imo =P

But you do recognize that there is a good and bad ending with Vivienne (which, of course, is also true of Cass or Leliana). Nobody has denied that.

[thesuperdarkone2]

A dangerous idea to even really consider, because it's bound to lead back to Tevinter. They once had slavery outlawed and were ruled by non-mages for a time, until the whole schism thing had them allow mages join the Chantry, and little by little the old ways of the Imperium crept back up from the ground.

 

To be honest, I can't see Vivienne as politically savvy if she advocates/supports such ideas, because it marks her as short-sighted. And I can't see her realistically saying such things, not to me.

 

But then I adamantly have her as Grand Enchanter in my 'verse with Divine Giselle. 

 

Giselle has actually some steel in her. And a lot of sass. So she'd be a decent Divine. With Vivienne as GE, things are bound to improve for the Mages.

Ironic that having Vivienne as divine is more likely to cause a second Tevinter than Leliana. I would actually laugh if that turned out to be the case.

[Lady Artifice]

Funny how everyone says she's so great at being Divine but unless she has the Inquisitor's support, she does terribly as Divine. Guess she isn't all that great in reality.

 

Ironic that having Vivienne as divine is more likely to cause a second Tevinter than Leliana. I would actually laugh if that turned out to be the case.

 

What isn't ironic or funny is how you start almost every sentence in the most passive aggressive way possible. 

[SmilesJA]

So is there any new Viveiene dialogue in the DLC?

[SmilesJA]

Ironic that having Vivienne as divine is more likely to cause a second Tevinter than Leliana. I would actually laugh if that turned out to be the case.

 

[TEWR]

So is there any new Viveiene dialogue in the DLC?

 

A few lines. She'll remark upon a particular plant growing in the Basin that's parasitic in nature and you can talk to her about it briefly. She'll also have a few ambient comments.

[GenericEnemy]

Funny how everyone says she's so great at being Divine but unless she has the Inquisitor's support, she does terribly as Divine. Guess she isn't all that great in reality.

 

And if you don't solve your precious Divine Leliana's personal problems the Chantry collapses entirely. 

 

Everyone has a fail state. 

[Boost32]

A few lines. She'll remark upon a particular plant growing in the Basin that's parasitic in nature and you can talk to her about it briefly. She'll also have a few ambient comments.

Where I can trigger this dialogue?

[TEWR]

Where I can trigger this dialogue?

 

No idea if it triggers in a specific place, but it's that thorny looking tree like plant that's pretty prevalent in and around the Swamp area. You might just have to walk near any old one.

[MattH]

It is also a shame she got stuck in that Inquisition gear. 

 

It would have been interesting if bringing Vivienne along provided a little mini-quest to gain 5 or 10 approval points. She should be able to curry favor with the court after all. 

It would have been great for her to fill the role as liaison to the empress, or even have her introduce The Inquisition with a show of spectacular magic, to awe the nobles. It was her position in court after all.

Also, about her in the Inquisition gear, I understand why she is in it as its the dress uniform and all, but she is referred to as 'The Jewel of the Court of Orlais', I find it hard for her to agree to those rags 

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 So I was recently playing my elf who does not trust mages (conscripted them) but does not trust Templars either (refused to go to recruit them). So I went against Vivienne's stance a bit more than usual this time around.

 

 

I'd heard that people were unhappy that they could not respond to Vivienne's argument against the Dalish system well enough. Vivienne addresses it very plainly: what happens if/when no clan willing to accept a mage is readily available? Is this really what people are griping about -- her pointing out a very clear flaw in their system?

[ComedicSociopathy]

 So I was recently playing my elf who does not trust mages (conscripted them) but does not trust Templars either (refused to go to recruit them). So I went against Vivienne's stance a bit more than usual this time around.

 

 

I'd heard that people were unhappy that they could not respond to Vivienne's argument against the Dalish system well enough. Vivienne addresses it very plainly: what happens if/when no clan willing to accept a mage is readily available? Is this really what people are griping about -- her pointing out a very clear flaw in their system?

 

The Dalish are weird.

 

The individual clans have been isolated from one another for centuries, some almost never coming in contact with another, and yet the lore still assumes that they all share the exact same stance on the three mages only rule. You'd think  such a diverse people would have, you know, widely differing opinions on such a matter. 

[teh DRUMPf!!]

The Dalish are weird.

 

The individual clans have been isolated from one another for centuries, some almost never coming in contact with another, and yet the lore still assumes that they all share the exact same stance on the three mages only rule. You'd think  such a diverse people would have, you know, widely differing opinions on such a matter. 

 

Even if different clans accept more, it's not like anyone has Dalish clans on speed-dial.

 

You kind of need to know where to find them. And, they move around. A lot.

 

The Dalish aren't all that liberal about magic, either. They do not trust spirits of any kind and blood-magic is taboo with them as it is anywhere else. To that end, they seem to recognize that mages in their care can go astray, too, in which case the hunters need to be able to stand against that threat. This threat potentially includes the other mages (because the influence of a demon, abomination, and/or blood-mage can spread and corrupt them all). We've seen such things spell doom for their clans before.

 

I am not seeing what argument players are upset about not making. Well, no good argument, at any rate.

[MattH]

I am not seeing what argument players are upset about not making. Well, no good argument, at any rate.

People who dislike her are basically annoyed because they can't win with her.

 

On a different topic:

For Vivienne's personal quest, I'd have rather have seen a story relating to her being First Enchanter. For all her warning and cautionary tales of mages being hunted and strung up by mundanes, it'd have been really interesting to have her seek out her old students to have found them set upon by town folk, and to see how she'd handle that situation.