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[YourFunnyUncle]

It doesn't take god-like powers of hindsight to go walk to the guy's house afterwards and find out what insulted him so badly.

Which as I explained is pretty much irrelevant in in the context of the Orlesian Game.

[Xilizhra]

I realize the notion of someone having an opinion that differs from yours makes you have a fit, but I'm not going to change my opinion for your sake. I'm sorry you didn't like her.

I don't know; I think he has a point. Though the furniture thing isn't as bad as your inability to react to it properly.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Current Quizzy will make quite a few desicions that Vivienne will agree with, will be fun to see them work together.

Tempted to do this at some point. Maybe next time...

[AresKeith]

I realize the notion of someone having an opinion that differs from yours makes you have a fit, but I'm not going to change my opinion for your sake. I'm sorry you didn't like her.

No everyone must have David's opinion

[Lady Artifice]

I don't know; I think he has a point. Though the furniture thing isn't as bad as your inability to react to it properly.

Criticizing the scene for the lack of agency the Inquisitor shows is reasonable. Deciding that the scene's imperfection equates to Vivienne's stupidity is less so.

[BabyPuncher]

Which as I explained is pretty much irrelevant in in the context of the Orlesian Game.

 

You do realize that calling it 'The Game' with nice big capital letters doesn't actually transform bumbling characters into shrewd and tactical manipulators, yes?

 

That saying 'The Game' is not a magical spell that automatically turns any plan or action into genius?

 

Really, I think it was quite a mistake for BioWare to introduce that sort of title at all. if characters actually are smart, it should be obvious from their actions. You really shouldn't need a silly title like that to try and sell the audience that these characters actually have these qualities. They would have done better not to set up the expectation.

 

I really do not care at all about 'The Game.' Stupid is stupid.

[AresKeith]

You do realize that calling it 'The Game' with nice big capital letters doesn't actually transform bumbling characters into shrewd and tactical manipulators, yes?

 

That saying 'The Game' is not a magical spell that automatically turns any plan or action into genius?

 

Really, I think it was quite a mistake for BioWare to introduce that sort of title at all. if characters actually are smart, it should be obvious from their actions. You really shouldn't need a silly title like that to try and sell the audience that these characters actually have these qualities. They would have done better not to set up the expectation.

 

I really do not care at all about 'The Game.' Stupid is stupid.

 

He's going back to his buzzwords 

[Hellion Rex]

Has this guy even finished the damn game yet?

[Steelcan]

Has this guy even finished the damn game yet?

has he even finished DA:O

[Xilizhra]

Criticizing the scene for the lack of agency the Inquisitor shows is reasonable. Deciding that the scene's imperfection equates to Vivienne's stupidity is less so.

Ehh. I'd say Vivienne's extreme pettiness and desperate urge to display some sort of power over someone she really has none over.

[Andreas Amell]

Having Cole in the team with Vivienne opens up a lot of things about her. I didn't realize how insecure she really is on being a mage and she's had to capitalize on it to move ahead. It's sort of admirable to turn a negative into a positive, but she's let it become her entire identity.

 

If you played Origins with a human mage then the Hero of Ferelden would be the most prominent mage in Thedas. That's a hard act to beat.

[Xilizhra]

Having Cole in the team with Vivienne opens up a lot of things about her. I didn't realize how insecure she really is on being a mage and she's had to capitalize on it to move ahead. It's sort of admirable to turn a negative into a positive, but she's let it become her entire identity.

 

If you played Origins with a human mage then the Hero of Ferelden would be the most prominent mage in Thedas. That's a hard act to beat.

She's less prominent if she's an elf mage?

[Junebug]

Having Cole in the team with Vivienne opens up a lot of things about her.

Yeah, I didn't like that they relegated so much of her character depth to party banter with Cole. Kinda wish they made some of the more vital bits a part of her companion quest instead because I didn't know as much about her outside of that. She's an incredible character

[Andreas Amell]

An Amell Hero of Ferelden has family lineage to add more prestige than an Elven Mage Hero. An Amell has an ancestor who was a hero from the Fourth Blight in Kirkwall. Hawke, the Champion of Kirkwall, would be a cousin. That alone would make the character more prominent than Vivienne. But an Elven mage Hero would still more prominent just on what the character can accomplish in Origins. I dare say that the Arcane Warrior tree is more powerful than the Knight Enchanter tree.

[coldwetn0se]

Wasn't sure where to ask this, but since it involves a dialogue with Viv, I figured this might be the place to start.

I am rping a F!Cadash at the moment. She chose to go with In Hushed Whispers, and allying with the mages. But, I want her to choose "training Templars in secret", when discussing the Mage situation with Viv in the Haven Chantry. My biggest question, is if there are repercussions. Granted, one persons so-called 'repercussions', might be another person's 'wants'.

Mostly, I don't intend to have Viv become Divine. There may be a few other issues that I might have, with certain consequences, but I am fine with that. Some of my other choices will net Viv some points, and I haven't found a really consistent resource of how the Divine point system is truly played out.

Any insight on whether choosing to have Viv train some of the rank and file as Templars, in secret, having further consequences, I would be much obliged. Thanks in advance!

[Boost32]

It doesn't give her any points.

[coldwetn0se]

It doesn't give her any points.

*Thumbsup!* Thanks for the answer. Very appreciated.

(goes off to continue her rather coin-oriented Cadash. )

[Frybread76]

I don't like her personality but she is nigh invincible when the AI uses her spirit blade a lot.

[MattH]

She's less prominent if she's an elf mage?

Well, yes, because she's a savage elf.

 

[tabbypatch]

I found Vivienne rather disconcerting at first. Her lexis and voice are very similar to my own, and whenever I brought her with me to catch some of her party banter, I felt the need to assure myself "Well I certainly don't sound that condescending all the time!" 

That said, I do enjoy her immensely - I mean, how can you not? Unfortunately I didn't make an effort to befriend her early in the game, and I just went through the 'highly suspicious' version of her personal quest. Even though it was heavily implied that she used my Inquisitor to further her goals, I felt she was at her most authentic and most openhearted in the following conversation where she talks about Bastien. I believe the line, "It was a more innocent time, I suppose" sheds a lot of light on how she views her world - and, indeed, her place in it. I feel for her.

[thats1evildude]

It doesn't take god-like powers of hindsight to go walk to the guy's house afterwards and find out what insulted him so badly.

Nothing did. He was posturing. He was a fool left behind when the other chevaliers went to compete in the grand melee in the Free Marches. Challenging the Herald was a power play, an attempt to gain prestige.

[Boost32]

In Trepasser epilogue Vivienne have 3 states depending on who os the Divine.

Vivienne as Divine: She allows the College of Enchanter to be formed by ex-Inquisition's mages.

Cassandra as Divine: She became the Grand Enchanter of the Circles and allows the College to be formed (and the mages of the College were cowering in fear of her =P).

Leliana as Divine: she gathers a few of like mined mages and rebuild a Circle that can rival the College (and the College have more mages), because they have a lot of political power.
When people said she would never recover if Leliana was the Divine, I said she could make her own Circle with the Loyalists and sell their magical ability to the nobility. Its good to be right.

And I must say I really liked Vivienne in the DLC, she was a good friend (she said she and Dorian will have to come with something quickly to stabilize the Anchor when it first started going out of control, she always tried to shield you from the nobles and the fabulous spa day made me lol). And contrary to what some says, she will never betray you, lie to you or try to kill you, different from an another mage ...

[Qunquistador]

Vivienne was the MVP in Tresspasser. I took her on every mission, she revived all the squishies and kicked ass with no guidance. My core friendships were Dorian, Vivienne, and Cassandra so it was nice to see how much they care. If you're cool to Vivienne and build her right, she's a fantastic ally to have, and funny to boot.

 

 

 

Can't remember her name, but her voice actress is fantastic, love the way she speaks. Out of all the companions, I'd most enjoy seeing her in the next DA. 

[SgtSteel91]

In Trepasser epilogue Vivienne have 3 states depending on who os the Divine.

Vivienne as Divine: She allows the College of Enchanter to be formed by ex-Inquisition's mages.

Cassandra as Divine: She became the Grand Enchanter of the Circles and allows the College to be formed (and the mages of the College were cowering in fear of her =P).

Leliana as Divine: she gathers a few of like mined mages and rebuild a Circle that can rival the College (and the College have more mages), because they have a lot of political power.
When people said she would never recover if Leliana was the Divine, I said she could make her own Circle with the Loyalists and sell their magical ability to the nobility. Its good to be right.

 

I think this is a good way to tie the plot threads and allow a Circle and College to exist no matter who was made Divine. And in the case of Divine Vivienne it makes her look good.

 

And I must say I really liked Vivienne in the DLC, she was a good friend (she said she and Dorian will have to come with something quickly to stabilize the Anchor when it first started going out of control, she always tried to shield you from the nobles and the fabulous spa day made me lol). And contrary to what some says, she will never betray you, lie to you or try to kill you, different from an another mage ...

 

Or a certain Qunari. "What?! The Qunari are trying to invade the South? I never heard of this happening, it must be a misunderstanding or-or Tal-Vashock. We gotta stop them, Boss! Oh what's that, Ma'am? Kill the Inquisitor? Okey-dokey! Nothing personal, Bas."

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

In Trepasser epilogue Vivienne have 3 states depending on who os the Divine.

Vivienne as Divine: She allows the College of Enchanter to be formed by ex-Inquisition's mages.

Cassandra as Divine: She became the Grand Enchanter of the Circles and allows the College to be formed (and the mages of the College were cowering in fear of her =P).

Leliana as Divine: she gathers a few of like mined mages and rebuild a Circle that can rival the College (and the College have more mages), because they have a lot of political power.
When people said she would never recover if Leliana was the Divine, I said she could make her own Circle with the Loyalists and sell their magical ability to the nobility. Its good to be right.

And I must say I really liked Vivienne in the DLC, she was a good friend (she said she and Dorian will have to come with something quickly to stabilize the Anchor when it first started going out of control, she always tried to shield you from the nobles and the fabulous spa day made me lol). And contrary to what some says, she will never betray you, lie to you or try to kill you, different from an another mage ...

 

Yes, yes, and more yes. Vivienne is quite loyal to her friends even if becoming a friend is hard. And I'm happy bioware showed that she could and would allow the college of enchanters to form.