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[GoldenGail3]

Since Vivienne was in an Orlesian Circle, I wonder if Vivienne's parents immigrated to Orlais or if her family had been around in Orlais for some time. I think she'd likely have been living in Orlais if she was in an Orlesian Circle. As far as I know, mages don't tend to be transferred from Circle to Circle unless something happened to their previous Circle like, say, the facility became too damaged for them to live there. I also do not think Rivain has Circles.
 

I image she was raised in Orlais, but not born there, per say. 

[Shechinah]

I image she was raised in Orlais, but not born there, per say. 

 

She seems like she'd have been taken to the Circle when she was very young since it dosen't seem like she really remembers her family but she is a private person so it may be that it is simply a very private thing for her.

[GoldenGail3]

She seems like she'd have been taken to the Circle when she was very young since it dosen't seem like she really remembers her family but she is a private person so it may be that it is simply a very private thing for her.

That's a possibility indeed. I feel like the first one is the more likely one though - becuase many mages get taken to the circle too young to remember their parents - I image Vivienne was the same way.  

[Daerog]

Viv's parents were traveling merchants. I believe she tells Cassandra this.

They were from Dairsmuid in Rivain. She was born in Wycome in the Free Marches. She was sent to the Ostwick Circle (in Ostwick in the Free Marches, where the human Inq is from... duh...) where she did her Harrowing. She later transferred to Montsimmard Circle in Orlais at age 19, where she would learn about the Game and how to survive it.

At least that is what the wiki says, I don't have my WoT on me at this time to double check that info.

[Sifr]

Vivienne confirms she was born in Wycombe and transferred from Ostwick to Montsimmard's Circles if you ask her about her background.

 

I suspect that the Game is the reason she's rather guarded about giving away many personal details. It takes the Inquisitor pressing her for information and refusing to accept the vague "I'm from the Circle, my dear" as a proper explanation before she reluctantly gives us that much.

[IHaveReturned1999]

I want to know what really happened to her why didn't she mentioned about her parents, her real life @ the circle, and what trials she had to endure before she became First Enchanter. Why BioWare never give her a back story like all the other female characters?

[GoldenGail3]

I want to know what really happened to her why didn't she mentioned about her parents, her real life @ the circle, and what trials she had to endure before she became First Enchanter. Why BioWare never give her a back story like all the other female characters?

Because Vivienne is a very private person. 

[IHaveReturned1999]

I believe they have intended for her not to have a backstory and just a blank character, and the only playable female character I can't have a romantic relationship with. They intended this. Typical.

[thesuperdarkone2]

I believe they have intended for her not to have a backstory and just a blank character, and the only playable female character I can't have a romantic relationship with. They intended this. Typical.

Watching your nonsense unfold always gives me a laugh

[DreamerM]

I actually quite liked that gift and I remember my Inquisitor making something for Vivienne in return. I think it was a staff and that I poured some of my best materials into it. I also made a friendship-hat for Dorian.

 

I'm hoping crafting with naming will be returning in the next game with the addition of craftable jewelry. Don't care if it is not visible jewelry: I would just really like to be able to craft and name jewelry.

 

I genuinely love the idea that my Inquisitor personally made some of the things her companion wore like that she made Cole a new set of clothes because she was worried he'd get cold, that she made a new bow for Sera when her old one broke and that despite their bad break-up, she made Solas new armor because she was worried he'd get hurt in his old one after he went down in a previous fight.  

 

It's just adorable headcanon that I love.
 

And now I share it. I love it that Bioware's games allow us to make our own stories like that.

Vivinne is such a strong character. I like that she's not even slightly concerned with being "likeable," but she's so confident and magnetic that she pulls you along anyway. I imagined one reason my Inquisitor likes her so much is the effortless way she wears power and responsibility, like she has never doubted that these things are precisely what she was cut out for.

Vivienne is Queen.

[Sifr]

I want to know what really happened to her why didn't she mentioned about her parents, her real life @ the circle, and what trials she had to endure before she became First Enchanter. Why BioWare never give her a back story like all the other female characters?

 

If you notice, I addressed this in the post directly above yours.

 

Vivienne is guarded because the nature of the Game is such that any sign of weakness is something enemies will always seek to find. I imagine that Vivienne has spent a lot of time carefully removing or concealing any thing in her personal background that might be used by people seeking to undermine her.

 

She is only willing to give us vague details if we push for more information, because she simply does not trust the Inquisitor with her secrets, regardless of how much of a friend she may view them as. Even in her personal quest she does not immediately tell us what we are looking for the Wyvern heart for.

 

In that light, it's it's actually rather touching in that light to consider that she wanted the Inquisitor with her during the attempt to cure Bastien. We see earlier in the game that many of Bastien's friends and allies in the court are apparently unaware of his illness, so that does show a level of trust in the Inquisitor that Vivienne was willing to disclose this and be present during that moment.

 

I'm sure that Mary Kirby actually has a very detailed character background for Vivienne. But it would rather more fitting for us to only see the version that was left after Vivienne got a hold of it, so that large chunks of the text are now covered up and illegible.

 

If we were to read a biography of Vivienne, it would probably reveal such juicy details such as Vivienne's favourite song being [REDACTED] and that she used to sing it for [REDACTED] whenever she was at [REDACTED]?

[thesuperdarkone2]

If you notice, I addressed this in the post directly above yours.

 

Vivienne is guarded because the nature of the Game is such that any sign of weakness is something enemies will always seek to find. I imagine that Vivienne has spent a lot of time carefully removing or concealing any thing in her personal background that might be used by people seeking to undermine her.

 

She is only willing to give us vague details if we push for more information, because she simply does not trust the Inquisitor with her secrets, regardless of how much of a friend she may view them as. Even in her personal quest she does not immediately tell us what we are looking for the Wyvern heart for.

 

In that light, it's it's actually rather touching in that light to consider that she wanted the Inquisitor with her during the attempt to cure Bastien. We see earlier in the game that many of Bastien's friends and allies in the court are apparently unaware of his illness, so that does show a level of trust in the Inquisitor that Vivienne was willing to disclose this and be present during that moment.

 

I'm sure that Mary Kirby actually has a very detailed character background for Vivienne. But it would rather more fitting for us to only see the version that was left after Vivienne got a hold of it, so that large chunks of the text are now covered up and illegible.

 

If we were to read a biography of Vivienne, it would probably reveal such juicy details such as Vivienne's favourite song being [REDACTED] and that she used to sing it for [REDACTED] whenever she was at [REDACTED]?

It's cute how you think logic works against N7

[IHaveReturned1999]

If you notice, I addressed this in the post directly above yours.
 
Vivienne is guarded because the nature of the Game is such that any sign of weakness is something enemies will always seek to find. I imagine that Vivienne has spent a lot of time carefully removing or concealing any thing in her personal background that might be used by people seeking to undermine her.
 
She is only willing to give us vague details if we push for more information, because she simply does not trust the Inquisitor with her secrets, regardless of how much of a friend she may view them as. Even in her personal quest she does not immediately tell us what we are looking for the Wyvern heart for.
 
In that light, it's it's actually rather touching in that light to consider that she wanted the Inquisitor with her during the attempt to cure Bastien. We see earlier in the game that many of Bastien's friends and allies in the court are apparently unaware of his illness, so that does show a level of trust in the Inquisitor that Vivienne was willing to disclose this and be present during that moment.
 
I'm sure that Mary Kirby actually has a very detailed character background for Vivienne. But it would rather more fitting for us to only see the version that was left after Vivienne got a hold of it, so that large chunks of the text are now covered up and illegible.
 
If we were to read a biography of Vivienne, it would probably reveal such juicy details such as Vivienne's favourite song being [REDACTED] and that she used to sing it for [REDACTED] whenever she was at [REDACTED]?

That's no excuse the writer obviously dont want to humanize her and made her just a blank character (the answer is pretty obvious) besides she's protected by the Inquisition and she could use that to topple her enemies and move on away from that idiotic life and start over with the Inquisition, and develop a real friendship and a romantic relationship with her.

[Sifr]

That's no excuse the writer obviously dont want to humanize her and made her just a blank character (the answer is pretty obvious) besides she's protected by the Inquisition and she could use that to topple her enemies and move on away from that idiotic life and start over with the Inquisition, and develop a real friendship and a romantic relationship with her.

 

Did you even spend five seconds with Vivienne?

 

Vivienne loves the Game more than anything else. It's something that she's exceptionally skilled at playing and wouldn't give up for anything. The courtly intrigue and political scheming and backstabbing might seem idiotic (and it is, no doubt), but Vivienne is ingrained in that part of Orlesian culture, just as much as other characters who were raised in Orlais, such as Leliana?

 

It should be no surprise either that Leliana's desire to begin new relationships and friendships took a backseat in Inquisition, as her relationship with Josie is a tad strained and she never really gets particularly close to the Inquisitor either. Unlike Origins where she was willing to engage in relationships and friendships because she was no longer a player, she's returned to the high-stakes world of the Game by Inquisition, hence why she's become far more cold and calculating than the woman the Warden met in Lothering.

 

We see the same thing with Vivienne many times. The first rule of the Game seems to be that you don't let your heart rule your head. Celene screwing up and being careless when it came to keeping her hidden romance with Briala secret, is part of what gave Gaspard leverage to use against her in TME.

[BloodKaiden]

That's no excuse the writer obviously dont want to humanize her and made her just a blank character (the answer is pretty obvious) besides she's protected by the Inquisition and she could use that to topple her enemies and move on away from that idiotic life and start over with the Inquisition, and develop a real friendship and a romantic relationship with her.

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[Shechinah]

I believe they have intended for her not to have a backstory and just a blank character, and the only playable female character I can't have a romantic relationship with. They intended this. Typical.

 

Disregarding that Vivienne do have a backstory, a character does not have to have a backstory to not be a blank character. A blank character, sometimes referred to as a blank slate, is a character that has no characterization such as personality, opinions or beliefs beyond their role in a story. A character can have no backstory and still not be a blank character because the character can still have a personality, opinions, beliefs and such.

 

Vivienne is not a blank character; she has a personality, she has opinions, she has her beliefs and she has her goals. She may not be a likable person to a number of people but that does not mean that she is a blank character.

 

Do you even character, bro?

[Xilizhra]

And now I share it. I love it that Bioware's games allow us to make our own stories like that.

Vivinne is such a strong character. I like that she's not even slightly concerned with being "likeable," but she's so confident and magnetic that she pulls you along anyway. I imagined one reason my Inquisitor likes her so much is the effortless way she wears power and responsibility, like she has never doubted that these things are precisely what she was cut out for.

Vivienne is Queen.

That's a bloody insult to Queen.

 

You know, I'm going to interpret that as saying that you think it seems like the writers wrote Vivienne to literally be a cookie because that sound like a more sensible thing to say than the other meaning of the word.

 

Also, Vivienne does not match the definitions of the slang word that I've come across. Do you even slang, bro?

To be fair, there's a certain irony in the black person being one of the standard-bearers for institutionalized oppression.

[IHaveReturned1999]

It benefits her, that's the whole point.
 
She has suites at the Palace and Bastien's Chateaus, is the official Mistress to a powerful man, has/had the ear of the Empress, is feared by the Orlesian court, levied a job that used to be a magical court jester into a source of real power, uses her ability as First Enchanterto come and go as she pleases.
 
Playing the Game and being the mistress of a powerful man has been very good for Vivienne.
 

 
As Littlefinger so eloquently put it in a Game of Thrones... "Chaos is not a pit. Chaos is a ladder."
 
People can advance far by manipulating the chaos to serve their own ends, as well as advance themselves. Despite having good intentions for doing so, the Inquisition was able to use the threat of the Breach to acquire power and become a force that even Ferelden or Orlais feared.

The whole thing is laziness and stupidity because they create this stupid social power structure to outsmart each other and foreign spies from foreign nations would take advantage of it and destabilize them. Instead of helping the people who served them they want to play stupid spy games like idiotic children. How this would help the nation in any shape or form?

[BloodKaiden]

The whole thing is laziness and stupidity because they create this stupid social power structure to outsmart each other and foreign spies from foreign nations would take advantage of it and destabilize them. Instead of helping the people who served them they want to play stupid spy games like idiotic children. How this would help the nation in any shape or form?

Different strokes for different folks. It's the Orlaisian culture, been that way for a long time.

[IHaveReturned1999]

Different strokes for different folks. It's the Orlaisian culture, been that way for a long time.

Screw Orlais I say let the nation crumble from their own destruction.

[GoldenGail3]

Screw Orlais I say let the nation crumble from their own destruction.

No, no, no. The Qunari will invade Ferelden if the Orlasians didn't have diplomatic meetings with them.   

[IHaveReturned1999]

I think the writers intentionally don't want to Vivienne as a romance option, but they made Isabella a romance option because she sleeps with anyone. Mmmmm.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I think the writers intentionally don't want to Vivienne as a romance option, but they made Isabella a romance option because she sleeps with anyone. Mmmmm.

To be fair, Isabela doesn't sleep with anyone. While she is promiscuous, more than once she has said that she has standards.

[IHaveReturned1999]

To be fair, Isabela doesn't sleep with anyone. While she is promiscuous, more than once she has said that she has standards.

Isabela doesn't sleep with everyone? Really? Really? Anyone can say they have standards. I could say I'm a koala bear, doesn't make it true. Man, koala bears are so cute.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Isabela doesn't sleep with everyone? Really? Really? Anyone can say they have standards. I could say I'm a koala bear, doesn't make it true. Man, koala bears are so cute.

Yes, really. There is even a quest in Act 3 where a mage who escaped the Circle just wants to 'become a man' and if Hawke suggests Isabela her response is a vehement no.