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[Natashina]

This song really reminded me of Vivienne.  It's so elegant:

 

 

Spoiler

It glittered and it gleamed

For the arriving beauty queen

A ring and a car

Now you're the prettiest by far

 

No party she'd not attend

No invitation she wouldn't send

Transfixed by the inner sound

Of your promise to be found, oh

 

Nothing or no-one will ever

Make me let you down

 

Kiss them for me, I may be delayed

Kiss them for me, if I am delayed

 

It's Divine, oh it's Serene

In the fountains pink champagne

Someone carving their devotion

In the heart shaped pool of fame, oh

 

Nothing or no-one will ever

Make me let you down

 

Kiss them for me, I may be delayed

Kiss them for me, I may find myself delayed

 

On the road to New Orleans

A spray of stars hit the screen

As the 10th impact shimmered

The forbidden candles beamed

 

Kiss them for me, I may be delayed

Kiss them for me, I may find myself delayed

 

Kiss them for me, kiss them for me

Kiss them for me, I may find myself delayed

 

Kiss them for me

[Doominike]

Do you know what would show everyone else what an awesome hunter I am? If I wore the skin of a fierce animal I had killed. I mean, I live in a region so warm that my species is losing its hairy covering to acclimate, but if stick this on I'm going to be an absolute badass.

The earliest clothing was likely worn for non-practical reasons because early humans adapted to hot weather, not cold.

Because clearly all early humans lived in warm climates. I wasn't guessing like you seem to be, animal skins sewn with bone needles is (pre)historical fact.  

[Chari]

The theory is that we did though. Africa. Living on the move, sweating our asses off, and evolving without body hair. Then we migrated into colder Europe and Asia later.

There are many thoeries. Some archeological cites in Asia are more ancient than those in Africa

So, yeah, it's all very uncertain and confusing

[Doominike]

Neanderthals had clothes, do you think it was to look pretty ? 

[Char]

Neanderthals had clothes, do you think it was to look pretty ? 

 

Part of me really wants to go into my spiel about how Neanderthals are now considered to have been no less intelligent than time-equivalent humans and so it is perfectly possible to suggest that they had a concept of aesthetics. Some studies suggest that Neanderthals used black pigment for decoration, as well as making houses from mammoth-bones and creating tools. I believe there is a dig site in Africa where several painted skeletons were discovered, too, suggesting ancestor reverence.

Now I'll rein in that part

[Doominike]

They may have personalized their furs but they wore them to keep warm. My problem with vivienne is that she thinks *only* fashion matters, that's stupid. But I have no issue with liking to improve the aesthetics of something practicality so long as the function comes before the looks. For exemple I like Metallica t-shirts, but I'd much prefer a bland shirt to going shirtless with a Metallica tattoo on my chest. You can like studs on your coat but if you go out in winter with just studs on your bare skin you're an idiot (or possibly a badass)

[Potato Cat]

They may have personalized their furs but they wore them to keep warm. My problem with vivienne is that she thinks *only* fashion matters, that's stupid. But I have no issue with liking to improve the aesthetics of something practicality so long as the function comes before the looks. For exemple I like Metallica t-shirts, but I'd much prefer a bland shirt to going shirtless with a Metallica tattoo on my chest. You can like studs on your coat but if you go out in winter with just studs on your bare skin you're an idiot (or possibly a badass)

I think it's far from stupid to think only fashion is important when you live and work in the Imperial court of Orlais, where one can be ruined just as easily for wearing the wrong clothes as for walking into a pit of hungry lions.

[Rel Fexive]

So I had this idea for one of those companion banter kind of things...

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*The Inquisitor, walking around Skyhold, hears raised voices*

VIVIENNE: ...rather that mages were free to do as they wish, to whomever they wish, to kill and to enslave!

DORIAN: Whereas you, since we are on the subject of enslavement, would prefer that mages were caged like they were all rabid beasts?

VIVIENNE: They need to be protected, controlled, for their own good!

DORIAN: As long as you are the one to control them, eh, First Enchanter?

VIVIENNE: And you know all about controlling others, don't you, my dear Magister?

DORIAN: Perhaps we should get the Bull to sew your mouth shut.

VIVIENNE: Only a fool challenges me... fool!

*The Inquisitor bursts into the room to find... Vivienne and Dorian sat opposite each other in big, comfy armchairs, drinking wine and eating cheese, clearly very relaxed*

INQUISITOR: What's... I heard...

DORIAN: Ah, Inquistor! I thought that was you.  Is it time for another mission already?

VIVIENNE: We have quite recovered from the last debacle, I think, my dear.

INQUISITOR: I thought...

VIVIENNE: We all need to blow off steam once in a while, do we not? I always find these sessions with the devilish Magister so refreshing.

DORIAN: Indeed. This way we can save the real vitriol for our foes, no?

INQUISITOR: *confused expression*

VIVIENNE: I think our work here is done, dear.

DORIAN: Definitely.

Though I'm not sure the initial part really works that well!

[Doominike]

I think it's far from stupid to think only fashion is important when you live and work in the Imperial court of Orlais, where one can be ruined just as easily for wearing the wrong clothes as for walking into a pit of hungry lions.

This is a valid point but in my eyes that doesn't make vivienne smart, it just makes all of orlais stupid

[Potato Cat]

This is a valid point but in my eyes that doesn't make vivienne smart, it just makes all of orlais stupid

Fair enough. But I definitely feel Vivienne is not originally Orlesian. She's come to Orlais and quickly seized the opportunities that presented themselves and has manipulated the Orlesian political system to become a powerful figure in the politics of some of the most powerful people in Thedas. And from a mage? From someone not born in Orlais? That's pretty impressive.

[Char]

This is a valid point but in my eyes that doesn't make vivienne smart, it just makes all of orlais stupid

There's a whole lot of social climbing going on within the rigid social structure of Orlais. The majority of that climbing is lateral as a result, but it's been pretty common in societies across the globe for appearance and presentation to carry a very specific message, even down to the cut and colour. It makes the culture very complex and difficult to experience as an outsider, but it doesn't make them stupid. It just means that careful manipulation and attention to detail can get you a lot further than honour and honesty. It's not 'fair' or 'nice' in the eyes of many, but it's no less valid for that

[Doominike]

Orlesian society working like this is what I find stupid. I'm a blunt and pragmatic person, acting nice to enemies and turning around the pot makes no sense to me.

[mikeymoonshine]

Operation fan art transfer continues! 

by MaevesChild.

 

 

These are just fun 

 

 

[mikeymoonshine]

Most of this stuff was originally posted by Eluvianus Ixious Rex, so thanks Eluvianus for being such a dedicated finder and poster of Viv art (and other viv related stuff). 

 

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[mikeymoonshine]

by Aimo

 

[WildOrchid]

She's come to Orlais and quickly seized the opportunities that presented themselves and has manipulated the Orlesian political system to become a powerful figure in the politics of some of the most powerful people in Thedas. And from a mage? From someone not born in Orlais? That's pretty impressive.

 

And that makes her smart.

 

 

Also, love the OP post.

[wetnasty]

Edited because I don't feel like being warned 

[mikeymoonshine]

 

By  MWImexico