I always said Varric probably wouldn't be an option, so this isn't surprising to me.
What's interesting is the question: who is the race-gated romance of the bunch? We used to speculate that it might be Varric if he was an option, but since he isn't, it leaves my curiosity hanging. I hope it's not Viv.
Unfortunately, I'd have to agree with you. Although I don't like it, Viv does seem likely to be race-gated.
On the bright side, if she is race-gated, then that means she probably won't be restricted to a particular gender as far as romance goes. I really doubt they would make her straight/lesbian AND race-gated at the same time.
That would be my guess as well. She'd probably be race gated, but bisexual. Also of the two female companions who are romanceable one is straight (Cassandra) and the other lesbian (Sera), so whether or not Vivienne is race gated I'd guess she'd be bisexual if she turns out to be a LI.
I always said Varric probably wouldn't be an option, so this isn't surprising to me.
What's interesting is the question: who is the race-gated romance of the bunch? We used to speculate that it might be Varric if he was an option, but since he isn't, it leaves my curiosity hanging. I hope it's not Viv.
I think it's going to be Cullen and Viv, honestly, but I could be wrong.
Could be.
That would be my guess as well. She'd probably be race gated, but bisexual. Also of the two female companions who are romanceable one is straight (Cassandra) and the other lesbian (Sera), so whether or not Vivienne is race gated I'd guess she'd be bisexual if she turns out to be a LI.
I think Vivienne will be straight and only for humans and her 'story reason' for the race gate could be that she wants to marry nobility. I don't think f/f marriages would be seen as legit among nobility since they don't produce heirs. If she's bisexual, she'd obviously be willing to enter into a relationship with a female so isn't limiting herself to just 'legit by noble standards' relationships. If that's the case, then I'm not sure then why she wouldn't want a romance with an elf/dwarf/qunari so race-gating wouldn't make sense to me in this scenario. This is all speculation ofc and I'm probably very wrong (as usual XD)
My impression is the race gating is for story reasons only so it's not the case that Vivienne would exclude non-humans just because.
Then there's Cassandra who is nobility so would have grown up with the pressure to marry a human dude and have more Pentaghasts. However, she's rejected that life, so I don't see her being exclusive to just human males.
That would be my guess as well. She'd probably be race gated, but bisexual. Also of the two female companions who are romanceable one is straight (Cassandra) and the other lesbian (Sera), so whether or not Vivienne is race gated I'd guess she'd be bisexual if she turns out to be a LI.
It's one of the only possible outcomes that would make sense at this point.
Sera might not want to romance a Trevelyan Inquisitor since she hates nobles, but I she have to be especially prejudiced to still dislike a human mage.
Isn't that technically different from race-gating, though? Race-gating sounds to me like it would be all about race and not necessarily specific factors like what you're describing. Like if Sera was race-gated against humans (hypothetically), it would be because they're humans as opposed to being a mage, noble, etc.
Unless you're getting at something else, this is how I imagine it would be implemented in the game.
If he's confirmed, Solas will probably be race gated too. I really love the theory that he wouldn't want to romance a dwarf (or qunari?) because he wouldn't be able to share his Fade adventures with them.
That's an interesting one for sure.
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Well it does help some. I will remain hopeful. If she is race gated then I can get around that quite easy. Out of my 3 Inquisitor plan(Human,Qunari & Dwarf). It will likely look something like this:
Human- Vivienne
Qunari- Cassandra
Dwarf- Josephine
I can see Cullen being race gated to humans and elves because he has crush on both Female Human and Female Elven Mage in DAO. I hope we get confirmation on rest of the romances soon regardless and hopefully Vivienne is one of them.
Isn't that technically different from race-gating, though? Race-gating sounds to me like it would be all about race and not necessarily specific factors like what you're describing. Like if Sera was race-gated against humans (hypothetically), it would be because they're humans as opposed to being a mage, noble, etc.
Unless you're getting at something else, this is how I imagine it would be implemented in the game.
That's an interesting one for sure.
Could be.
I think Vivienne will be straight and only for humans and her 'story reason' for the race gate could be that she wants to marry nobility. I don't think f/f marriages would be seen as legit among nobility since they don't produce heirs. If she's bisexual, she'd obviously be willing to enter into a relationship with a female so isn't limiting herself to just 'legit by noble standards' relationships. If that's the case, then I'm not sure then why she wouldn't want a romance with an elf/dwarf/qunari so race-gating wouldn't make sense to me in this scenario. This is all speculation ofc and I'm probably very wrong (as usual XD)
My impression is the race gating is for story reasons only so it's not the case that Vivienne would exclude non-humans just because.
Then there's Cassandra who is nobility so would have grown up with the pressure to marry a human dude and have more Pentaghasts. However, she's rejected that life, so I don't see her being exclusive to just human males.
Vivienne wanting to marry into nobility makes no sense since she is Orlesian and that would not give her more power only problems. If people remember right, mages are seen as a shame in pious noble families. Isolde pretty much is a prove of that.
The race gate however can come from her pride, she refuse to date an elven or qunari PC. It would made sense, she would lose a lot if she indeed got associated with them. Or gain if she seeks to destroy the system in place but Vivienne is pro-chantry, so I doubt it.
I think Vivienne will be straight and only for humans and her 'story reason' for the race gate could be that she wants to marry nobility. I don't think f/f marriages would be seen as legit among nobility since they don't produce heirs.
I like the idea that she's race-gated due to a desire to marry nobility. But I'm not sure how it would work in practice considering the game won't feature marriage at all. Would probably lead to BIG amounts of headcanon!
If she's bisexual, she'd obviously be willing to enter into a relationship with a female so isn't limiting herself to just 'legit by noble standards' relationships. If that's the case, then I'm not sure then why she wouldn't want a romance with an elf/dwarf/qunari so race-gating wouldn't make sense to me in this scenario. This is all speculation ofc and I'm probably very wrong (as usual XD)
Could be as simple as a matter of pride and stuff.
It's funny because as much as I think it's likely that Viv is a race-gated bi option, I'm not really sure what her reasons for the race gating would be in this scenario. Hard to come up with one besides semi-self-centered delusions. 
I don't really see how it's different. All Inquisitors have a fixed background that doesn't really differ that much depending on class. And they've said that the reasons for race gated romances are story reasons, which to me says that there's a much bigger reason than just the character isn't racist enough to hate the Inquisitor because of their race but just racist enough to not want a romance with them.
Roger that.
I would actually like that the 'story reasons' be specific like that. I guess I just never got my hopes that high up.
Vivienne wanting to marry into nobility makes no sense since she is Orlesian and that would not give her more power only problems. If people remember right, mages are seen as a shame in pious noble families. Isolde pretty much is a prove of that.
This could change with the mage/templar war.
Right now, mages can't be nobility, sure. The human mage Inquisitor lost that when they were taken to the Circle. However, in the aftermath of the war, if mages gain more rights, that could possibly allow the human mage Inquisitor to regain their status.
If Vivienne is race-gated, I'm pretty sure it will be against non-humans. Basically, being involved with a non-human might ruin all she's worked for her entire life by sabotaging her position on the Grand Game, and I'm pretty she's smart enough not to risk it all for some elf/dwarf/qunari (who are also tribes-people, thieves and mercenaries respectively, not exactly high on "worth my respect" scale of the Orlesian nobility) she's only known for a few weeks.
TL:DR - Your life's work, or that cute non-human who's been flirting with you for a week?
What I hope to be the case is that she might genuinely like your character race notwithstanding, but stop you from taking it any further because she's worked hard to be where she is.
Vivienne does not approve of the revolution. She was quite comfortable in the Circle. I guess her reasons for being race-gated may be purely orlesian - an elven or qunari partner would cause a scandal
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Which also could mean if you side against Celine for example it could have the potential to end the romance.
Maybe she only likes dwarves.
She must be taller than her partner.
Vivienne does not approve of the revolution. She was quite comfortable in the Circle. I guess her reasons for being race-gated may be purely orlesian - an elven or qunari partner would cause a scandal
I'm leaning towards that as well. Pride and whatnot.
Also, her entire persona within the Game oozes intimidation. From her hats to the fact she's a mage, from her moniker to her use of language, it all spells out one thing. Do not **** with me. With that in mind, will people really dare call her out on who she's shagging?
Only the non-believer, my friend. Only the non-believer.
Vivienne can butcher me with words anyday, holy she is a goddess with words...I'll defiantly enjoy having her in my party wheww.
I'm thinking she loves men that are bigger than her, hence the hat horns.
So either Human/Qunari............ Nobility/Mercenary. Not sure she'd like to dawdle with a Dalish and a Smuggler.
Still relationship has nothing to do with sex. She can still have a friendly high profile relationship with any Inquisitor.
I'm still hoping that she isn't racegated since I plan on romancing her with my qunari mage inquisitor and I expect she'll be bi.
I'm still hoping that she isn't racegated since I plan on romancing her with my qunari mage inquisitor and I expect she'll be bi.
If she's race-gated my guess would be against Dalish
If she's race-gated my guess would be against Dalish
I agree, but there is also a heavy social stigma attached to qunari that I don't think she'd be willing to deal with. If she's race gated, my guess would be against both Dalish and qunari.
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