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[Mihura]

I'd also factor in the fact she appears to be very much so (culturally) Orlesian, while also being described as pro-Circle which apparently makes her a traitor to mages everywhere.

 

That would make some sense but Bethany was pro-circle and chantry too, so was Alistair, Wynne, Cullen, Lelianna, oh and all the Qunari are even worse than the circle... etc if that is a reason to hate a character than a lot of them would be despise.

No, I do not think that is the only thing that makes people hate her, it is a group of reasons and I will leave it at that. 

[Potato Cat]

That would make some sense but Bethany was pro-circle and chantry too, so was Alistair, Wynne, Cullen, Lelianna, oh and all the Qunari are even worse than the circle... etc if that is a reason to hate a character than a lot of them would be despise.
No, I do not think that is the only thing that makes people hate her, it is a group of reasons and I will leave it at that.

Nor did I say that? I said that her being pro-Circle is a reason that people have cited as to why they find her morally reprehensible.

But I for one have seen my fair share of hate for Wynne, Cullen (especially), and certainly the Qunari for what they think of mages and the Circle system.

[Mihura]

Nor did I say that? I said that her being pro-Circle is a reason that people have cited as to why they find her morally reprehensible.

But I for one have seen my fair share of hate for Wynne, Cullen (especially), and certainly the Qunari for what they think of mages and the Circle system.

 

Yes there is some hate but there is a lot love for them too, with VIvienne is just to neutral and little of it. I have seen a lot more hate for her than Bethany for example.

 

I would say that Bethany is even more pro-circle than her, Vivienne seems to want to change something but Bethany just accepts it.

[Han Shot First]

I hope that Vivienne doesn't do a 180 and become a rebel mage by game's end.

 

I kind of like that she is cut from a different mold than most of the mages we've seen so far.

[Milan92]

Vivienne: "Crush that rebel scum!"

[CrimsonN7]

Vivienne: "Crush that rebel scum!"

 

[TheTurtle]

I hope this big week kicks off with the reveal of the last two romances and gates.

[Potato Cat]

I hope this big week kicks off with the reveal of the last two romances and gates.

Well if you or anyone is on the twitter, you can let them know how much we want a Vivienne romance and the race gatings revealed.

@AarynFlynn: So where are we at with the Dragon Age: Inquisition #UnscientificPoll? What's left to talk about / show you before launch?

[DeityDi]

I hope that Vivienne doesn't do a 180 and become a rebel mage by game's end.

 

I kind of like that she is cut from a different mold than most of the mages we've seen so far.

Hm, gotta disagree on that. We had Wynne and Bethany as a companions and a bunch of circle-loyal ones (even including Orsino and his men) through the series. And Anders as anti-circle mage on the other hand. Morrigan I don't count because she's kinda special and off-limits. 

[SmilesJA]

So Viviene supports the Circle and that makes her morally reprehensible? She probably finds the Circle as a place of order and stability amidst of all the chaos between the mages and the templars. 

[Milan92]

So Viviene supports the Circle and that makes her morally reprehensible? She probably finds the Circle as a place of order and stability amidst of all the chaos between the mages and the templars. 

 

I think so long as she is sitting in the biggest room, she will support the circle system.

[Tevinter Rose]

wow I have to admit I didn't have Vivienne on my romance radar (Josephine for my human Inquisitor and Iron Bull for Qunari so far) until I heard

that Indira Varma was voicing her

I'm a big fan of her so now I'm really excited to roll a Inquisitor just for her romance

 

Its also sad that compared to the other companions Vivienne in particular gets a lot of unnecessary hate I wonder why?
Sure she seems to have her own ambitions and secret agenda but so did Morrigan and everyone loves her

 

I think its somewhat understandable if someone has reservations about her but I don't get the level of hate some people have for her, to the point where they say they want to kill her or mod her white because she's so "gross" to them  . 

Anyways, I think she's going to be really intriguing, and I can't want to find out exactly what her "true agenda" is. I honestly don't think it's going to be as sinister as its made out to be but if it is I hope its epic at least.

[Black Jimmy]

So Viviene supports the Circle and that makes her morally reprehensible? She probably finds the Circle as a place of order and stability amidst of all the chaos between the mages and the templars. 

She's Pro-Circle, but do we know how she feels about Templars?

 

Cause I can't see her having issues with a Mage run Circle

[Crunchycarp]

She's Pro-Circle, but do we know how she feels about Templars?

Cause I can't see her having issues with a Mage run Circle

We'll probably find out how she feels about Templars when she talks to Cullen.

[DeityDi]

So Viviene supports the Circle and that makes her morally reprehensible? She probably finds the Circle as a place of order and stability amidst of all the chaos between the mages and the templars. 

Does it looks like she cares about stability for the sake of others? Does it looks like she cares about someone beside herself?

 

She's a viper and she supports such a shitty system. So yes, she's morally reprehensible because if she will restore it, she won't be the one who will have a chance to be raped, beaten or made tranquil just for the fun of it because she rose above it already. She's not a part of it, she's a head of a system. She's pretty much off-limits just like the Templars.

 

I know they said she has some hidden agenda and I hope she's not that flat after all, but for now (just for now) she sounds like Wynne v2 but unlike Wynne she's not a part of that corrupted system herself which makes her even worse in my eyes. I can understand why Wynne's like that and can't blame her in the end, because "once a slave, always a slave". But Vivienne here is just something else. 

[revan11exile]

Quick someone draw a Vader helmet for Vivienne  

[Fizzie Panda]

I say Vivifiers or Vivificators.

VIVICATORS

[Fizzie Panda]

This is it everyone: the final stretch!

 

[Rel Fexive]

Does it looks like she cares about stability for the sake of others? Does it looks like she cares about someone beside herself?

 

She's a viper and she supports such a shitty system. So yes, she's morally reprehensible because if she will restore it, she won't be the one who will have a chance to be raped, beaten or made tranquil just for the fun of it because she rose above it already. She's not a part of it, she's a head of a system. She's pretty much off-limits just like the Templars.

 

I know they said she has some hidden agenda and I hope she's not that flat after all, but for now (just for now) she sounds like Wynne v2 but unlike Wynne she's not a part of that corrupted system herself which makes her even worse in my eyes. I can understand why Wynne's like that and can't blame her in the end, because "once a slave, always a slave". But Vivienne here is just something else. 

 

Unless you've come back from the future after having played and finished the game a few dozen times to get every variation, you have no more of an idea about Vivienne is like, what she supports, what she believes, or anything beyond the tiny crumbs of knowledge you are basing your entire opinion of her on, than everyone else does.

 

Wait for the game before pronouncing judgement on a character you don't really know anything about yet.

[Lady Nuggins]

Does it looks like she cares about stability for the sake of others? Does it looks like she cares about someone beside herself?

 

She's a viper and she supports such a shitty system. So yes, she's morally reprehensible because if she will restore it, she won't be the one who will have a chance to be raped, beaten or made tranquil just for the fun of it because she rose above it already. She's not a part of it, she's a head of a system. She's pretty much off-limits just like the Templars.

 

I know they said she has some hidden agenda and I hope she's not that flat after all, but for now (just for now) she sounds like Wynne v2 but unlike Wynne she's not a part of that corrupted system herself which makes her even worse in my eyes. I can understand why Wynne's like that and can't blame her in the end, because "once a slave, always a slave". But Vivienne here is just something else. 

 

Without knowing the context or her reasoning, you're making a lot of harsh judgments.

 

If the Circle were completely abolished, in the kind of anti-mage climate that Ferelden and Orlais have, what would happen to the mages?  Probably not sudden acceptance of all mages.  More likely, we'd see mass killings and more forced tranquility.  Remember, most mages discover their abilities as children.  Without that system of control, what is stopping Templars from just going around finding and killing these kids? 

 

Mages are already second-class citizens.  They aren't really allowed to hold titles or property.  Socially, they're pariahs.  Do you think those laws and society will change when they no longer at least have the Circle to shelter them?  Or will they be left to fend for themselves, in forced poverty?

 

She may support the Circle, but we don't know what that looks like in her mind.  She might support a kind of Circle that gives more power and security to the mages.  She might wand a complete overhaul of the system.  I think this issue is a lot more complex than you're making it out to be.

[DeityDi]

Rel Fexive Yeah, riiight. Because everyone here knows all those things. They even know would they like the characters they already have a crush on or not, even though they already pictured everything about them, names of their children including.

 

I'm at least only judging characters relying on the official info. And from that now we know she's arrogant, power-hungry, and has a moto "survival has meaning, sentiments - not so much". If I only knew that, I would've been allright personally, because I didn't like anyone as near as I liked Morrigan. Tis was hilarious, she was hilarious.

But pro-circle and pro-rebuilding circle? While being at the top of the food chain yourself? No, gtfo of my party. And pray to your Maker I won't kill you.

 

Every pro-circle mage so far was boring as hell, so "forgive" me for not leaping from joy. 

The only thing that can excuse that is some sort of a twist at some point. And I actually mentioned it.

 

Without knowing the context or her reasoning

 

For now her reasoning is clear as a day. 

 

change when they no longer at least have the Circle to shelter them? 

 

Shelter, uh-uh, like people shelter stray animals only to put them to "rest" lately, if no one will have an interest in them.

 

Mages are already second-class citizens.

 

 They're rebels for now, actually. 

[CrimsonN7]

[Lady Nuggins]

For now her reasoning is clear as a day. 

 

It's really not.  I just listed to you several possibilities that you have no interest in exploring.

 

But if you hate her so much, just don't take her in your party.  And don't post in threads about her.  You know, like most people who dislike a character do.

[Tevinter Rose]

Rel Fexive Yeah, riiight. Because everyone here knows all those things. They even know would they like the characters they already have a crush on or not, even though they already pictured everything about them, names of their children including.

 

I'm at least only judging characters relying on the official info. And from that now we know she's arrogant, power-hungry, and has a moto "survival has meaning, sentiments - not so much". If I only knew that, I would've been allright personally, because I didn't like anyone as near as I liked Morrigan. Tis was hilarious, she was hilarious.

But pro-circle and pro-rebuilding circle? While being at the top of the food chain yourself? No, gtfo of my party. And pray to your Maker I won't kill you.

 

Every pro-circle mage so far was boring as hell, so "forgive" me for not leaping from joy. 

The only thing that can excuse that is some sort of a twist at some point. And I actually mentioned it.

 

For now her reasoning is clear as a day. 

 

Shelter, uh-uh, like people shelter stray animals only to put them to "rest" lately, if no one will have an interest in them.

 

 They're rebels for now, actually. 

 

So if she wanted to rebuild the circle and make it mage run, you would still think she's evil and want to kill her?

I'm very anti-circle but open minded enough to not jump to conclusions about her before the game comes out.

[DeityDi]

And what would it change? 

What does it even mean "mages to run circle"? That there would be no templars, like, at all? That they would be able to be just human beings like everyone else, and circles will be like Hogwarts? There will be no such thing.

But allright, let's say the Chantry will agree (but actually, what the hell, we know they won't) and how long will it last until they shackle them again when this will be over and human nature will surface again? 

And giving the current situation, they either gonna blame Tevinter regardless or Tevinter actually brought upon the world all this ****. Either way, I don't see how they can agree to give them more freedom now or shortly afterwards. Or give it at all. The Venatori (and also, Anders) now is a shining example for them why they actually shouldn't do it.

 

Also, I don't think she's "evil". It's such a childish value. She's simply a troublemaker and potentially a threat, she wants to do something I strongly oppose. I didn't even think to raise my hand against Wynne (or Fenris, or whatever) or any other companion so far, for the record, no matter what. But Vivienne may give me a cause to do it because unlike the others she has a real power that can make a difference.

And I also don't like being toyed with and being used, so if she'll try to she'll pay for this. I think it's pretty fair.

 

Lady Nuggins

 

But seriously, don't like - don't read. Just like most people do.