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[leadintea]

I agree with the TC on most of their points. I'm not a fan at all of dwarves but they've been shafted so much in this series that it's not even funny. I mean, like the TC said, we've only had 3 dwarven companions with 2 of them being recurring characters. And just like the TC, I also found Varric very boring and lackluster and I would've loved to see another dwarven companion (especially a female one), instead of him. I mean, not only did he appear in DA:II, but he also had his story explored in a comic, so I think they definitely could've added someone fresh and exciting instead of spending 3 different stories trying to wrap up Varric's dull storyline.

[leadintea]

Cullen as a dwarf. lolwut.

 

As for why there aren't more dwarven companions I highly suspect there's a lot of factors at play, like if the companion is romancable- if the romance is race-gated, how many romances there are total (to make it even), how many rogues and warrior we already have, etc. How many people really play as dwarves..idk. I think one is plenty, myself, but I have friends that are mortally offended.

 

It's easy to pass off technical reasons as lore reasons too for the reasons mentioned above. I just think they aren't very popular among the masses so they don't use them as much. But that's just my opinion.

 

Pretty much this. I'm pretty sure Bioware considers it a waste of resources to even create a dwarven LI since not many people will play them, though it is kinda funny that we got a pure lesbian and gay character before we got a dwarven romance, and us LGBT's (especially those that are avid gamers) consist of a very small number.

[Eveangaline]

I'd have loved or Dagna to be a full fledged advisor.

[Hiemoth]

Good insight about Oghren, but with Varic, you pretty much confirm that he is fan-service.

 

However, you like  a few others keeps bringing up this idea that there are no dwarf companions because they are a small population and have no purpose (outside of trading and Grey Wardens) to be on the surface. So how does that explain the Dwarf Inquisitor then? Why the hell is he/she on the surface leading a faction that can/will change the course of Thedas? 

 

Point is, if Bioware could have created a backstory that would make sense for a Dwarf to be the leader of the Inquisition, then I am sure they could have created a backstory to why a Dwarf is a companion to the Inquisitor, within the Inquisition. 

 

No, I said, well wrote, that Varric was a popular character from DA2 who could easily be brought to DAI and serve a role both in the current story and as an overarching character connecting different Dragon Age games. Based on the logic you are arguing here, bringing in Cullen, Leliana and Morrigan would also count as fan service. Besides, aren't you also ultimately asking for fan service, as you want more dwarves as you as a fan of dwarves enjoy them?

 

As for your argument on the Dwarven Inquisitor, I honestly do not understand your point there. The PC races were made available, so you can play a Dwarf Inquisitor. The reason your Dwarf is the Inquisitor has nothing to do with their background, but rather because they went in to the fade and came back with the mark. I stress again, nothing to do with the character's background, which is why also a human, an elf or a qunari can be the Inquisitor. However, for the companions there is a need for relevance in the larger story being told, or at least it helps a lot, and based on what we know of the companions and story so far, that was a lot easier to craft those connections with the current cast. If you actually look at all the dwarved characters in Dragon Age games so far, all of them had a relevant and obvious plot connection to the story.

 

And by the way, to repeat, we have a surface dwarf involved in the events for established plot reasons. His name is Varric, but the root of your problem seems to be that you do not like Varric and are thus dissatisfied with the representation. Which is an argument that no one can win, as it based on taste.

[Hiemoth]

They actually admit that even if the topside world ended, they wouldn't care much as their society would keep going. Also it was a spirit of faith.

 

My mistake, thanks for the correction.

[RedIntifada]

The bigger issue is why were Ogran and Varric are both returning characters is because neither one could be romanced. It is a lot easier to bring back a companion for a main role if you don't have to factor in the possibility of them being romantically involved with the former playing character.

Why is it not a single dwarf has been available for romance? Could it be because people have difficulty thinking of little people as sexual/romantic partners? Sure Ogran an Varric had relations with other people but these were more humorous, than serious.

This becomes even more worrying when dwarfs in game are often associated with people who have dwarfism in the real world. It relegates people with "disability" into the asexual category.

Hopefully Varric is romanceable.

[Zatche]

No, I will not prove you wrong as I do not want to get into an elementary argument over who is right or wrong. All I am pointing out is that they could have found another Rogue (or Warrior) surface dwarf to join the Inquisition. He/she could have had their own little story as to why they are living on the surface instead of underground, just as Varic had his story in DA2 and I doubt Varic is THE ONLY surface dwarf in all Thedas. Hell, even the Inquisitor can be a Dwarf and I am sure he/she will have a stock story of why he/she is out on the surface running the Inquisition. 

 

Sure, they can create another dwarf companion with their own back story, but would the character be interesting? Can the character's motives, backstory be woven into DAI's plot the way the other companions are, or is he/she kinda just there? Are the writers inspired by the concept of this character so that they can write him/her well, or are they just adding a dwarf companion for the sake of adding a dwarf companion?

 

There's a lot more that goes into writing and creating companions than "Hey, let's just throw a <gender> <class> <race> in there to even things out."

[Deflagratio]

No, I will not prove you wrong as I do not want to get into an elementary argument over who is right or wrong. All I am pointing out is that they could have found another Rogue (or Warrior) surface dwarf to join the Inquisition. He/she could have had their own little story as to why they are living on the surface instead of underground, just as Varic had his story in DA2 and I doubt Varic is THE ONLY surface dwarf in all Thedas. Hell, even the Inquisitor can be a Dwarf and I am sure he/she will have a stock story of why he/she is out on the surface running the Inquisition. 

 

Well, if you mean only that you would rather have a different Dwarf than Varric, I sympathize but disagree. I think Varric still has an arc to explore and his existence in DA:I is every bit as valid as any other Dwarf.

[BloodyTalon]

I think out of the races they are the least populated and there culture sorta of bars against being adventures, even the surface ones stick to the trades they came to the surface with and such. Adventure doesn't seem to be among these things less it serves the merchant guild, making more money and other thinks linked to main stream things.

[Cylan Cooper]

We're probably going to get another dwarf companion when a game is set in Tevinter. Orzammar has strong relations to Tevinter and there's even an embassy in Minrathous.

 

And sadly, I don't think we're ever going to get a full game set in Orzammar. The dwarven origins were by far my favorite. Moreso than any other origin, I was really sad when Duncan showed up and dragged my dwarves away to the real plot.

 

I like Varric myself. It's interesting to see a character who is an outsider to his own culture. I can identify with him, kind of.

[EkhidnaDrakaina]

The bigger issue is why were Ogran and Varric are both returning characters is because neither one could be romanced. It is a lot easier to bring back a companion for a main role if you don't have to factor in the possibility of them being romantically involved with the former playing character.
Why is it not a single dwarf has been available for romance? Could it be because people have difficulty thinking of little people as sexual/romantic partners? Sure Ogran an Varric had relations with other people but these were more humorous, than serious.
This becomes even more worrying when dwarfs in game are often associated with people who have dwarfism in the real world. It relegates people with "disability" into the asexual category.
Hopefully Varric is romanceable.

Having a little person in my family who is a gamer I take this pretty seriously, because I see how it affects him. To him, while it's important to be able to play as a Dwarven protagonist, it's just as important that supporting characters aren't stereotypes and purely there for comic relief as the "foolish tinyperson" trope.

[BobZilla84]

Well in my opinion Dwarfs are looked at as a comic relief addition to the Dragon Age Franchise I mean two of the three we have had were written specifically to try to be funny/entertaining.

 

Ohgren:

Had some funny scenes/banter but eventually he became annoying and now when I play Origins/Awakening he stays at the camp

 

Sigrun:

I actually adored her because she was not written like Ohgren she was funny but it didnt define her like it did Ohgren.

 

Varric:

I am conflicted about Varric though see he was a vast improvement compared to Ohgren he was funny and had personality but thats not where my conflict comes see I always play as Varric when I play Dragon Age 2 because Hawke is in my opinion one of the most poorly written/poory implimented characters ever thus I always control Varric he is always in my party.My conflict is not that I hate Varric its more that I love Bianca "The Cross Bow Combat" I completely loved that fighting style and that is why I hope we will get to use Crossbows as a weapon in Inquistion.  

 

But all in all I want more Dwarfs in Inquistion Companion/Lis both would be awesome.

 

Oh yeah I hope Dagna is still as adoreable as she was in Origins My Dwarfquisitor would romance her no doubt.

[SurelyForth]

1. I'm pretty sure Varric was probably written into DAI before DA2 was even released. So calling him fan-service, unless you consider being well-liked by the devs themselves as counting towards fan-service, is simply dismissing a character to dismiss a character.

 

2. Otherwise, I agree. I found it pretty shady that there were no female dwarves anywhere in DA2, and I wish that one of the dude companions in DAI could have been replaced with a female dwarf. I know that they don't focus on racial/gender diversity when they're developing the followers, but it would have been awesome if, say, Blackwall was a female dwarf Warden. Same personality and outlook on the Wardens, just not another human male. 

[TKavatar]

When I heard that Varric would be back in DAI, I didn't like it at all. We already had him as a companion for a full length game and now he gets to return for another?

 

Good thing most companions are optional or else poor Varric will have to serve as my party's benchwarmer.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

From a lore standpoint, it makes sense. Dwarves are supposed to be isolationists by nature, and so even if you want to argue "They can contrive a reason for Dwarves to come" I think it actually undermines the dwarven lore.

 

 

And spirits are supposed to be extremely rare to the point that the majority avoid all contact with mortals.

 

Contriving a spirit to be a companion makes even less sense. As the OP said, now we're up to two (Cole and Justice (twice)) while we've had three dwarves.

 

Anyway. Dwarves just aren't as popular as other species. That's probably the real reason we haven't seen another new face or two, but at least Dragon Age hasn't gone and made them extinct like some other games. Yet, anyway

[Scerene]

ugh , i dont like dwarves, but thats mostly because they play the same old stereotype and rarely represent the full spectrum of emotion  with the exception of female dwarves. I know they are supposed to be a fantasy race, but meh. Its always a variety of "rough, sassy, womanizing sleaze" with a strict code of dwarven honor or whatever. Varric is  classy, polished and dashing, or supposed to represent that anyway, so that makes i him different but i really like the voice actor, and i think that why i enjoy the character.  He's got a hot voice, 

[Char]

What I'm seeing is people saying that either Bioware were unwilling to make a new character, OR Varric is fanservice. But, you can't reduce it to only those points. It could simply be that they haven't finished Varric's story yet, and in my opinion that is what's most likely. 

 

 

Most of us would love to see new dwarven companions, especially female ones. But that doesn't preclude us from having a returning friendly face. I understand that there are people who would have preferred to see a new companion in his role, and that's fair. But there's no guarantee that would have happened. The best thing people can do is to let Bioware know that they want more dwarves represented in future instalments- positivity

[AllThatJazz]

I agree that there aren't enough Dwarf characters, particularly female dwarves, would have loved to see Sigrun make a return, or Shayle as a dwarf (but would that have been fanservice too??). I disagree though that Varric is fanservice which, it seems to me, is a term that gets thrown around whenever a feature/character you don't like makes a return. Just like 'The Devs aren't listening to fans' gets said when a feature/character you do like does not make a return. We have no idea what Varric's role in Inquisition is yet - dismissing him as fan service just because he is a) popular with fans and b ) returning is premature at best. By that logic, nothing/no-one popular that isn't part of core gameplay should ever make a return because the fanservice argument can just as easily be levelled at anything.  

 

Of course I'm biased. I like Varric, just as I liked Garrus and Tali (I didn't think they were fanservice either, particularly, it made sense to me that they were there with Shepard).

 

But as for wanting to see more dwarves, yeah I'm up for that. I love the dwarven society/lore/deep roads stuff in DA, I think it's a lot more interesting than the standard fantasy stuff

[Fetunche]

In the Golems DLC we had 2 dwarven companions and a golem with a bronto as a summon.

[Fetunche]

Don't forget Tug in Leliana's Song.

[Grieving Natashina]

What I'm seeing is people saying that either Bioware were unwilling to make a new character, OR Varric is fanservice. But, you can't reduce it to only those points. It could simply be that they haven't finished Varric's story yet, and in my opinion that is what's most likely. 

 

 

Most of us would love to see new dwarven companions, especially female ones. But that doesn't preclude us from having a returning friendly face. I understand that there are people who would have preferred to see a new companion in his role, and that's fair. But there's no guarantee that would have happened. The best thing people can do is to let Bioware know that they want more dwarves represented in future instalments- positivity

I'm sorry I'm out of likes, but this was beautiful.  I don't think I can top this post, so I'll just agree. 

[Herr Uhl]

Well I don't know if it will make up for the lack of dwarf companions or not but maybe well visit Kal-Sharok during the course of the game. I don't know for sure, though going by the trailers we we'll be visiting some area with a lot of dwarves in it, so that's something.

 

Could be a newly reclaimed Thaig outside of Orzammar considering the geographical scope of the game.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Pretty much this. I'm pretty sure Bioware considers it a waste of resources to even create a dwarven LI since not many people will play them, though it is kinda funny that we got a pure lesbian and gay character before we got a dwarven romance, and us LGBT's (especially those that are avid gamers) consist of a very small number.

 

I'm guessing Dwarven players are even fewer in number.

 

On topic, sure Varric was fan service to some extent, but look at DA2. He spent the whole game narrating as a prisoner of Cassandra. It's not at all surprising he's still around. For all we know the third game starts right after Cass finishes his interrogation.

 

I'd like to see more varied Dwarves too. DA2 was ridiculous. No females, and the ones that were in game, besides Varric seem to be treated like jokes, like the Volus in ME2.