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The Lack of Dwarf companions and why Varic irks me.


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#76
cindercatz

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Well, if we want to be technical then there's also Gorim, Frandlen Ivo, the dwarf scout from A Noble Expedition, Leske, Jerrick and Brogan Dace, and Tug.

 

But I don't think that we are talking about temporary companions. 

Hopefully, we can see some of the dlc companions and like show up later in the series, including the dwarves. I wouldn't be surprised to see some of them show up as agents in DA:I. I'm looking forward to that part of the game.



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I love Varric.  It has been stated there are few dwarves on the surface and I'm pretty sure we will be heading to Orzammar.  There is a stigma to being a surface dwarf.  I seems unclear what the role of women in dwarven culture is.  Surface dwarves on the whole are merchants or smugglers and all the merchants we saw were male.  Fantasy franchises might have dwarves, but they are not often as popular, varied, or interesting as other races and are often given the same set of stereotypes.  Folks like elves better. There could be a dwarf companion; I'd be cool with that (although I found Sigrun annoying and bland), but there isn't and I'm fine with it.  I'm interested in all the companions they've shown us so far. 



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My parties in fantasy games always feel incomplete without a dwarf companion. It's silly but there it is. In BG, Yeslick and later Korgan were staples in my parties.

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I still to this vary Day am still pissed off i  could not romance  Sigrun in  dragon age awakening



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I love Varric! I can not wait to have him in my party again. I hope that we get to see a more indepth version of him.

 

Although there have only been 3 different dwarf companions, if you think about their population in regards to the rest of the races that maybe right. However, what i don't understand is why they are never LIs :(. I loved Sigrun in DAA and would have so rolled a warden just for her in one of my playthroughs.

 

I still have my fingers crossed that Varric is a LI.



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I'm about the opposite of you when it comes to the dwarf companions. I like Varric and thought Oghren was so horrible and stereotypical that I quit Awakenings in disgust when I found out I was stuck with him as a returning companion. I'd gone out of my way to more or less ignore him or ditch him with Felsi in every single previous save, and I just couldn't imagine how I was being punished with a drunken sot of a dwarf again. Varric breaks some of those stereotypes and that makes him interesting.

 

Generally speaking, I really could take or leave dwarves as they are one of my least favorite fantasy races though. I am not really inspired to play one as a PC although the Qunari PC holds appeal for me. Maybe I'm just not interested in pretending to be a short, bearded person.



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I gave up dwarves after spending several minutes trying to give my svelte dwarf seductress her full flowing beard to no avail.  What's the point of playing a dwarf woman if you can't even give her muttonchops?



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All I know is... is that this Scribbles chick is going to get real upset with me.

 

Every time I talk to her I will start with:  "You're not Dagna." "Hey, seen Dagna?"  "I really should check your facts with Dagna."  "You know, Dagna knows what kind of coffee I like."

 

I really, REALLY hope she's more than just an "Agent" (not that I really know how Agents play in this).

 

Dagna is the only intelligent person on Thedas (an assertion I've made since Origins) and I need that kind of brilliance in my Inquisition.  If Dagna heads up the Artificer Corps. (not sure what that would entail - but she's brilliant, she'll come up with something) and her son, born of a romance between her and Varric, later becomes head of the Inquisition after my main dies... that's the Thedas we need. 


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#84
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 There could have been a new male dwarf introduced in Awakening instead of using Oghren again and bringing Varric back in DA:I is just pure fan service if you ask me. When I first saw Varric in the initial E3 2013 trailer, I knew 100% why he was there, fan service. Furthermore, I knew that Varric would somehow be the only Dwarf companion and that I would be denied of seeing a new and fresh Dwarf companion.

 

or they just brought Varric back for fan-service. Similar to Tali and Garrus in Mass Effect.

 

 

 Why is the fact that the writers decide to carry on the stories of some of their characters considered fan service to some people? That is kind of what happens in fiction especially in things that have multiple parts, the characters tie those parts together and help the audience transition to the next stage in the story. 

 

Is it the fact that these characters are popular, is that what makes it fan service? In that case why make a new DA game at all? After all the fans like DA so it would only be fan service to make such a game.


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#85
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Yes, I would only call a recurring character fan-service if it was fairly clear that they gave you the opportunity to settle that character in a previous game, and then brought that character back even if settled.

 

If Tali or Garrus returned after dying in ME2, that would be fan service. If Oghren returns despite having been setup with Felsi, that's fan service.



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OP:

 

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http://forum.bioware...only-one-dwarf/

 

We need more dwarves. Period.


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Still a fail excuse.

 

There is a population of "Surface" dwarves all around Thedas. You mean not one of them would be relevant enough to be part of the Inquisiton instead of Varic?

 

 

Most surface dwarves are involved with the Merchants' Guild in one capacity or another, and Bioware has not, to date, written one. single. character. of any importance that was involved with business and enterprise.  Not one.  Pick ANY game.  Heck, the only time the word "business" or "corporation" even comes up is as a flashing red ALERT THESE GUYS ARE UNSCRUPULOUS JERKS ONLY AFTER A QUICK BUCK ALERT.  So, yeah, an entire race whose predominant characteristic is that they're interested in stuff that, to Bioware is only a tagline for "minor villain?"  You can bet they're going to get marginalized.

 

To be fair, though, there's been exactly ONE Qunari companion thus far and Inquisition is the ONLY game where you will have the opportunity to PLAY as a Qunari.  So, by comparison, the dwarves actually aren't doing all that bad.



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That would actually be something new and different they could bring to the game at some point.  Let's have an interesting mercantile character!  That's NOT a pirate/smuggler!


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Dwarves don't get enough attention imo as I have said many times. I don't see varrics "come back" as fan service, and can see why he would be important to the plot. Regardless of lore or population numbers I dont see why there isnt more then one dwarf companion, but I guess we have to take what we can get. Also NOT ONE DWARF LI, NOT ONE! I mean yes I know animations, money budget and what not and while I understand that, it still frustrates me.  But most of all female dwarves don't get "that much" spot light either (companion wise I mean). While I love sigrun, I wouldn't mind someone new, but if we do get to see and converse with dagna then that's fine. 


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I don't care that they brought Varric back, I care that they brought him back as a companion.  He had a very prominent role and full character arc in one game already, he should have been an NPC advisor like Leliana instead of taking up a slot a new character, or an old character who'd never been a companion, could have filled.  As the head of the Merchant's Guild, he would have been the perfect financial/commercial advisor for the Inquisitor.  And guess what Scibbles could have been? A female dwarf rogue companion, which would have helped with both the imbalance of male-to-female companions, and the imbalance of human-to-nonhuman companions.

I get the niggling feeling that it might have been the initial plan for Varric to be an advisor (Leliana and Cullen both being returning characters relegated to NPCs hints at it), but someone at Bioware changed it up for whatever reason I can't fathom, since I more than got my fill of him in my party in DA2 (only archer who isn't DLC...ugh).


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#91
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I just really prefer the dwarves from FR the dwarves in DA are so boring compared.

I mean Oghren is no Bruenor Battlehammer, or Pikel Bouldershoulder, not to mention a Thibbledorf Pwent.

Also I believe BW once said that those who played dwarf in DAO were a rather minuscule percentage and that doesn't even mention if they find female dwarves attractive.

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Both Varric and his brother are apart of the merchant's guild though.



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I'm about the opposite of you when it comes to the dwarf companions. I like Varric and thought Oghren was so horrible and stereotypical that I quit Awakenings in disgust when I found out I was stuck with him as a returning companion. I'd gone out of my way to more or less ignore him or ditch him with Felsi in every single previous save, and I just couldn't imagine how I was being punished with a drunken sot of a dwarf again. Varric breaks some of those stereotypes and that makes him interesting.

 

This, all those great DAO companions and we got stuck with this pathetic excuse for a dwarf <_<



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I just really prefer the dwarves from FR the dwarves in DA are so boring compared.

I mean Oghren is no Bruenor Battlehammer, or Pikel Bouldershoulder, not to mention a Thibbledorf Pwent.

Also I believe BW once said that those who played dwarf in DAO were a rather minuscule percentage and that doesn't even mention if they find female dwarves attractive.

 

Huh, to each their own. I personally find DA dwarves significantly more interesting than any of the ones in the FR, not just individually but collectively.

 

Oghren is a depressed alcoholic desperately searching for some kind of purpose in a society that has no use for him, lashing out with anger and immature drunkard humour because he wrestles with feelings of impotence. He's a way more interesting take on the typical 'drunk dwarf warrior' trope.


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Yeah I am a fan of dwarves in fantasy gaming and had 2 playthroughs with dwarven wardens one "evil" one "good" . However, I turned my game data collection off and wasn't likely counted in their metrics. I am sure I am not alone in this. So glad to see they have added the option of dwarven inquisitor and would have liked a dwarven LI. Oh well maybe next time they had a full plate and something had to be left out.



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This is one more example of why BioWare's biggest fans are also the hardest to please of anybody in all of gaming.  It shows a certain passion, but wow must it be annoying for the devs to read nothing but constant nitpicking about issues that seem created just for the sake of having issues.  A combat problem would be a legitimate issue.  This is just nonsense.  Complaining about the lack of dwarves in a game with dwarves and the ability to be a dwarf(!!!!) is just insanity.

 

And it's not like the universe is flowing with dwarves, either.  The lore is clear that there aren't that many of them, at least from what I remember of DA:O (which I'm actually replaying right now as a dwarf).



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Serious question: Wouldn't including more dwarves in the game simply because fans want more equal fanservice too? What is the difference between bringing back Varric because he was a fan favorite and bringing in more dwarves for the same reason?

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Dwarven Characters are short. They are isolated culturally. Majority of Surface Dwarves aren't warriors. Dwarves can't be Mages. And Bioware tends to try and even out classes a bit after DA:O


So Dwarves, being limited in class possibility alongside their stature makes difficult for animations LI-wise have been poorly represented in some regards. Orzammar was an absolutely astounding place and they showed politics and intrigue. But the companions have been lacking to generate interest in Dwarves. 

Oghren is a drunk, farting, belching machine. Sure he's likely alcoholic because of how his honor has been taken from, his wife became a villainous monster and cheated on him, and people make fun of him on the streets. But he's lewd, disgusting, has a vulgar sense of humor, and the rare times he sobers up are far and in-between. Then his family problems when he joins the Grey Wardens only go to show he hasn't reformed with the Warden's help, and left his child behind. He's not a good representative of Dwarves at all. Plus according to the level design, Orzammar is the last place to go before the Landsmeet and Oghren only officially opens up after Orzammar. Not alot of time for players to even get to earn his sobered-up scenes, let alone care. Any depth he has is mostly lost in Awakening. 

Sigrun is a nicer step towards Dwarven culture. Legion of the Dead. Wants to die. Has past mistakes to amend for and shows the Carta's influence if players don't encounter the bug stopping her quest from playing. Which in most cases happens. She's perky and has incredible spirit but her small involvement and pressing events don't let us really delve into knowing our Awakening companions really well. 

Varric is a Surface Dwarf. He's with Hawke no matter what, and can't be sent off. He's popular, and has alot of sway. Kind, charismatic, has a good sense of humor (although it's not perfect), and compelling. He's his own character, but his dwarven aspects are there and are on display. He's got the potential to be a Garrus-like character in terms of popularity and being the only Dwarven companion in the Inquistion, his people are going to rely on him for representation.

If I had to ask for a new Dwarven companion...a Noble would be as fun route. But not one bent on revenge like Sebastian, Cousland, Howe. Maybe they want revenge, but it's not a driving focus. I feel like that direction would be a step forward for Dwarves. 



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Getting tired of OP saying Varric is 'fan-service' because you don't like him, so I feel the need to post this. DAI was started 'before' DA2 was. Cassandra and Varric where thought up for DA2/DAI to link the 2 together. DA2 literally exists as an oversized intro to DAI. If Varric is Fan service, so is Cassandra. And she starts the whole goddamned Inquisition. After all the DA2 stuff (DLC, blah blah blah) she was interrogating Varric, she dragged Varric along, blah blah blah. You may not like him, but just because you don't like him doesn't make it Fan Service. Those 2 where planned for DAI and introduced in DA2.

 

That all said I agree with the rest I would love to see more actual dwarves (especially more female dwarves) as companions as we tend to get a lot of humans and elves and little else. The whole point of having the same amount of 'spirits' as dwarves I think is a pretty apt comparison, that should be infinitely more rare then dwarves... it just should be, but apparently for companions its not.


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I can't stand Dwarves as characters or companions, but I still agree. For all the peoples that love the Dwarves, there really are not enough of em!