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[Schreckstoff]

Thedas' surface is populated mostly by humans and the problems are usually either caused by humans or threaten human society. With that in mind it makes sense that there are more human among the companions than any other species.

[krogan warlord83]

i share op's opinion about the lack of dwarfs but i love varric hes funny to me 

 

*crosses fingers for DLC with dwarfs*

[Majestic Jazz]

Serious question: Wouldn't including more dwarves in the game simply because fans want more equal fanservice too? What is the difference between bringing back Varric because he was a fan favorite and bringing in more dwarves for the same reason?

I never implied that there needs to be more dwarf companions in DA:I. I just said that this is the second time Bioware recycled a dwarven character to use them in a second game instead of creating a new dwarf character to fill that slot.

I mean having Varic return makes the world feel small. This is not like the Mass Effect series where each game had the same protagonist. No, in DA the games are different stories. One takes place in Ferelden and deals with a Grey Warden defeating the Archdemon. The second takes places in Kirkwall and tells the story of a Ferelden refugee's rise to becoming the Champion. The third is about the a person leading the Inquisition to stop the veil tear.

Morrigan, Cullen, and Leliana are back as peripheral roles. Varic is back as another full fledge companion. Why?

[Ianamus]

The fact that the only dwarf in the Inquisitions "inner circle" is a returning companion does bother me. As somebody who never played awakening I've only ever had Varric or Oghren to represent Dwarves, and I'm not particularly fond of either of them. Oghren was an unfunny joke and Varric was a stroyteller who never actually told you a single story. I've always felt that the reason he's so popular is because he has no opinions of his own and therefore doesn't ever clash with the player. To me that just made him dull.

 

The only good thing about it is that I have one less character to worry about having to choose for my party. There are enough new characters to get to know, I don't want to waste time retreading old ground. 

[Adhin]

if I had to guess why Varric is back as a companion instead of some other peripheral role (outside of my earlier post pointing out why hes not fan service). He's kinda an adventurer by heart. The other's all have important ties with some major group or other that ultimately means you work with them as an aside but they are ultimately, busy. Varric isn't, never is, he's pretty much a long because of Cassandra. Cassandra is a companion because she ultimately started the Inquisition and puts you in charge and is your 2nd in command.

 

Sure, Varric could sit in the castle and just tell storys when someone has a question but that isn't how they've written him. That said Morrigan none of us are really sure about, or at least I'm not. Dunno what shes tied into but from trailers she seemed pretty heavily tied into things and whatnot. Cullen is you know, Templar lead, literally at this point. and Leliana same but seekers or whatever. Makes more sense for them to be doing that, and have a link with you then drop it all to play the role of a companion.

 

Least that's how I see it anyway.

[Killdren88]

I never implied that there needs to be more dwarf companions in DA:I. I just said that this is the second time Bioware recycled a dwarven character to use them in a second game instead of creating a new dwarf character to fill that slot.

I mean having Varic return makes the world feel small. This is not like the Mass Effect series where each game had the same protagonist. No, in DA the games are different stories. One takes place in Ferelden and deals with a Grey Warden defeating the Archdemon. The second takes places in Kirkwall and tells the story of a Ferelden refugee's rise to becoming the Champion. The third is about the a person leading the Inquisition to stop the veil tear.

Morrigan, Cullen, and Leliana are back as peripheral roles. Varic is back as another full fledge companion. Why?

Because the devs want to? Call it fan service or pandering but in the end Bioware will do what they want regardless of what we think should happen. If they want to use characters over agian, then they can. If they have an idea for a character then they will use that idea. But in the mean time, if they have plans for returning characters then Bioware will to continue to use those characters.

[daveliam]

As somebody who never played awakening.....

 

Totally worth it.  Plus, Sigrun is an awesome character.  And, it's the only game in the series that let's you play a majority dwarf party outside of the DA: O dwarf origins.

[In Exile]

I never implied that there needs to be more dwarf companions in DA:I. I just said that this is the second time Bioware recycled a dwarven character to use them in a second game instead of creating a new dwarf character to fill that slot.

I mean having Varic return makes the world feel small. This is not like the Mass Effect series where each game had the same protagonist. No, in DA the games are different stories. One takes place in Ferelden and deals with a Grey Warden defeating the Archdemon. The second takes places in Kirkwall and tells the story of a Ferelden refugee's rise to becoming the Champion. The third is about the a person leading the Inquisition to stop the veil tear.

Morrigan, Cullen, and Leliana are back as peripheral roles. Varic is back as another full fledge companion. Why?

 

Normally, I would agree with you that a returning character makes the world feel small. However, I think Varric was (unlike many characters Bioware dragged back in DA2), actually positioned to return because of the interrogation with Cass. 

 

As for why Varric is a full companion... because he's awesome and beloved. He's like Garrus or Tali in that regard. 

[In Exile]

Totally worth it.  Plus, Sigrun is an awesome character.  And, it's the only game in the series that let's you play a majority dwarf party outside of the DA: O dwarf origins.

 

But to do that you'd have to *shudder* have Oghren in the party, and frankly I'd rather be doused in hydroelectric acid. 

[KBomb]

I never implied that there needs to be more dwarf companions in DA:I. I just said that this is the second time Bioware recycled a dwarven character to use them in a second game instead of creating a new dwarf character to fill that slot.

I mean having Varic return makes the world feel small. This is not like the Mass Effect series where each game had the same protagonist. No, in DA the games are different stories. One takes place in Ferelden and deals with a Grey Warden defeating the Archdemon. The second takes places in Kirkwall and tells the story of a Ferelden refugee's rise to becoming the Champion. The third is about the a person leading the Inquisition to stop the veil tear.

Morrigan, Cullen, and Leliana are back as peripheral roles. Varic is back as another full fledge companion. Why?

You have no idea what part the dwarves will play, for that matter what part Varric will play. Perhaps there is a reason they've brought him back. He may have a huge part to play. It might make perfect sense to have him back. 

 

Even though it's about the tear in the veil, it's also about the mage/templar war. Varric was there in the beginning. Again, he may be there for a reason. Maybe he isn't. Maybe he is there because the writers simply planned him as part of their story. I know some people desperately believe Thedas belongs to them, but it doesn't. We're given the clay to shape it, but Bioware still provides the clay. 

 

Even if they brought him back because he is a fan favorite--so what? It's no different than people wanting more dwarves simply because they want them. How would adding more dwarves for the sake of adding them be crucial to any story line? It would still be fanservice.

[daveliam]

But to do that you'd have to *shudder* have Oghren in the party, and frankly I'd rather be doused in hydroelectric acid. 

 

I know.  I hate Oghren.  I usually run with Sigrun, Nathaniel, and Anders, but I always take Oghren with me to Kal Shirok so that I can a run a majority dwarf party for the visit to a lost dwarven thaig.  Seems fitting.

[Saberchic]

 

bringing Varric back in DA:I is just pure fan service if you ask me. When I first saw Varric in the initial E3 2013 trailer, I knew 100% why he was there, fan service.

The game has not even been released. You have no idea what his role is in all of this. For all you know, he could be one of the most important companion you'll have.

[drake heath]

Varric was the only well written companion from DA2, it makes sense why they'd bring him back.

He's some-what comic relief and can still be charming, I like having him around.

Varric is also pretty unique for a dwarf character since they're usually all written the same in fantasy.

 

And if they're going to bring any companions back, it might as well be him, he's already with Cassandra in DA2.

 

Much better than Oghren, he was irritating in DAO, but he was flat out the most annoying character in Awakening.

 

Sigrun is almost a non-entity to me, I barely remember anything about her, so I don't have much of an opinion.

[daveliam]

Sigrun is almost a non-entity to me, I barely remember anything about her, so I don't have much of an opinion.

 

You seem to have misspelled "Sigrun is the best companion in DA: A".  How embarrassing for you....

[In Exile]

I know.  I hate Oghren.  I usually run with Sigrun, Nathaniel, and Anders, but I always take Oghren with me to Kal Shirok so that I can a run a majority dwarf party for the visit to a lost dwarven thaig.  Seems fitting.

I was just using that as an opportunity to express my dislike of him. It was kind of impressive how he sort of combined everything I dislike in a man. If someone had sat down to make a list of traits I find repelling and then made a person who had them. 

[daveliam]

because he is awesome

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I also liked Oghren I wonder why many hate him
 

 

I hate him mostly because he's kind of a douche and a walking "dwarf stereotype".  I like a little more depth in my characters.  He wasn't really all that well fleshed out in my opinion. 

 

But I can understand how he would be a good "bro". 

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

Well I for one am glad Varric is back. If bringing back popular characters like Varric and Morrigan is fan-service, then I approve of it. We didn't get a brand spanking new cast in each new ME game either, did we? Some just stike more chords, resonate better with people than others. It helps sell these games, if there are familiar elements to them.

 

As long Varric didn't become an admiral/ an expert for the reap - .... breach and still insists that he joins me on the Nor- ... Skyhold, I don't have a problem with it.

AH YES REAPERS

*drum*

REAPERS

*drum*

REAPERS

AH YES REAPERS

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

I was just using that as an opportunity to express my dislike of him. It was kind of impressive how he sort of combined everything I dislike in a man. If someone had sat down to make a list of traits I find repelling and then made a person who had them. 

 

He had some good points and some bad points in Origins. In awakening it was like they removed all his good points and amplified his bad ones.

[Majestic Jazz]

The fact that the only dwarf in the Inquisitions "inner circle" is a returning companion does bother me. As somebody who never played awakening I've only ever had Varric or Oghren to represent Dwarves, and I'm not particularly fond of either of them. Oghren was an unfunny joke and Varric was a stroyteller who never actually told you a single story. I've always felt that the reason he's so popular is because he has no opinions of his own and therefore doesn't ever clash with the player. To me that just made him dull.

 

The only good thing about it is that I have one less character to worry about having to choose for my party. There are enough new characters to get to know, I don't want to waste time retreading old ground. 

Exactly

 

He takes no stance really what so ever and thus mainly just strokes the players ego, similar to Tali and Garrus in ME and look how popular they were.

 

Again, people keep saying that he might have a big role to play and I seriously doubt that. He played his role in DA2 and the Champion is not the main person in this game so what more do they have to tell with him? I mean, he was a full companion in DA2 from the near beginning, had a huge role in that game, then went along with Isabella and Alistar in the comics and NOW he is back again! Geez, talk about milking something til its dry. Ok, we get it, Varic was a "cool" dwarf because he had chest hair and named his crossbow a female name....oooooh wow! [/sarcasm]. I mean really, what more do they have to tell with this guy? Yes, Cassandra was also in DA2 but she was not a companion neither was Cullen. Leliana is back but not as a companion and Morrigan is back but only as a plot role, not a companion.

 

Having him back for a 3rd go around (Two games and a series of comics) is fan service if you ask me.

[Schreckstoff]

Exactly

 

He takes no stance really what so ever and thus mainly just strokes the players ego, similar to Tali and Garrus in ME and look how popular they were.

 

Again, people keep saying that he might have a big role to play and I seriously doubt that. He played his role in DA2 and the Champion is not the main person in this game so what more do they have to tell with him? I mean, he was a full companion in DA2 from the near beginning, had a huge role in that game, then went along with Isabella and Alistar in the comics and NOW he is back again! Geez, talk about milking something til its dry. Ok, we get it, Varic was a "cool" dwarf because he had chest hair and named his crossbow a female name....oooooh wow! [/sarcasm]. I mean really, what more do they have to tell with this guy? Yes, Cassandra was also in DA2 but she was not a companion neither was Cullen. Leliana is back but not as a companion and Morrigan is back but only as a plot role, not a companion.

 

Having him back for a 3rd go around (Two games and a series of comics) is fan service if you ask me.

 

Well to go from being a merchant son adventurer to lieutenant (I'm assuming every companion is at least at that level in the hierarchy) who is willing to leave/kill his superior officer because of loss of units is quite the character change.

[Eveangaline]

She may be only an agent but Dagna is coming back and she's one of my favorite dwarves (i do wish she was a full advisor but at least another named inquisition dwarf)

[daveliam]

Yay.  We pretty much knew she was back, but it's nice to see a (former) dev confirmation that she was (at least at one point) planned for the game.

[In Exile]

He had some good points and some bad points in Origins. In awakening it was like they removed all his good points and amplified his bad ones.

 

I am very skeptical of this claim. I certainly couldn't see any. 

[ShadyKat]

Yes the series could use more diversity as far as the races go. In all the games combined  there are...

 

2 qunari

6 elves

3 dwarves

And like 15 humans.

 

Would have liked a female qunari and female dwarf in Inquisition,  since we have never had a female qunari and only 1 female dwarf. Just don't get why games like these must always been so human top heavy. Always found other races/species far more interesting.