So....if you do the city elf origin, does Leliana's prior encounter with the warden's mother ever come out? Does it impact Leli's romanceability with your warden? Or does this only come out in Leliana's song?
Nah, it was done after the fact.
There is some Alienage specific dialogue for her (and Zev) though.. but it's bugged. And not much.
No. It's been concluded that Leliana's Song was largely made up.
For me, personally, Leliana's song is just a story. Sure the characters of Sketch, Tug, Dorothea, and Marjolaine were there and the root plot points are real but the events embellished, the setting I believe would change with the audience. We're familiar with Ferelden so that's it's setting. If she was telling it to a audience of Antivans it would probably be in Antiva City. It's like when hollywood says "based on a true story' you get some facts right but a lot is just for the audience's entertainment.
So I think what she says to you in Origins is the truth, though leaving out Sketch, Tug, and Dorothea because she's still fairly guarded about it.
In The World of Thedas vol. II [Chapter Three] under Leliana's section it has a letter to Sketch called "We who did not belong" and the first two lines are this:
"Do you want to know a secret?"
That was how I started when I toyed with stories as well as lives.
It continues on with her apologizing to Sketch for how she always embellished the story (the two seemed to have a falling out over it) and her saying she has been trying to learn more about Tug's life so she can honor his memory better.That phrase is how she starts Leliana's song so this and the letter causes me to believe most of it wasn't true and to trust her word in Origins.
Though if Leliana's song is true, the point about the City Elf's mother calling her a child could mean any age, my mom still calls me child and I'm an adult. In order for the timeline to be consistent though the City Elf's mom would have to have died shorty after the DLC and so that puts her death only 2 years before Origins as that's when this event takes place.
For me, personally, Leliana's song is just a story. Sure the characters of Sketch, Tug, Dorothea, and Marjolaine were there and the root plot points are real but the events embellished, the setting I believe would change with the audience. We're familiar with Ferelden so that's it's setting. If she was telling it to a audience of Antivans it would probably be in Antiva City. It's like when hollywood says "based on a true story' you get some facts right but a lot is just for the audience's entertainment.
So I think what she says to you in Origins is the truth, though leaving out Sketch, Tug, and Dorothea because she's still fairly guarded about it.
In The World of Thedas vol. II [Chapter Three] under Leliana's section it has a letter to Sketch called "We who did not belong" and the first two lines are this:
"Do you want to know a secret?"
That was how I started when I toyed with stories as well as lives.
It continues on with her apologizing to Sketch for how she always embellished the story (the two seemed to have a falling out over it) and her saying she has been trying to learn more about Tug's life so she can honor his memory better.That phrase is how she starts Leliana's song so this and the letter causes me to believe most of it wasn't true and to trust her word in Origins.
Though if Leliana's song is true, the point about the City Elf's mother calling her a child could mean any age, my mom still calls me child and I'm an adult. In order for the timeline to be consistent though the City Elf's mom would have to have died shorty after the DLC and so that puts her death only 2 years before Origins as that's when this event takes place.
I imagine the city elf is around 18 or close. They're still called a child there too, but that's also because they aren't married. I think they're just approaching some kind of adult status when the story starts. So it might be accurate if Adaia saw them as a child if they were 16 or so.
Interesting thread...it's a pity that this situation doesn't impact the storyline in Origins. It would've changed the dynamic between the warden and Leliana when playing as the city elf vis-à-vis the other possible origins. Generally, the warden is the one who makes the "red-haired girl" feel safe. The Warden is in the position of the powerful, protective elder. If the story of Leliana knowing Adaia impacted Origins, however, then the dynamic of the warden & Leliana's relationship would've been that of a worldly, "older" woman (Leliana) versus a younger warden who sees Leli as the respected elder. Of course, when the main game comes out, they don't always know what DLC storylines will follow. I assume "Leliana's Song" came about because of the popularity of the character and gamers' desire to learn more about Leli's backstory.
No. It's been concluded that Leliana's Song was largely made up.
It has? By whom?
So....if you do the city elf origin, does Leliana's prior encounter with the warden's mother ever come out? Does it impact Leli's romanceability with your warden? Or does this only come out in Leliana's song?
There's no reason why it should. Mom never told Leliana the name of her child and never knew Leliana's name or what was going on with her. And it's questionable whether Adraia even made it back alive.
Interesting thread...it's a pity that this situation doesn't impact the storyline in Origins. It would've changed the dynamic between the warden and Leliana when playing as the city elf vis-à-vis the other possible origins. Generally, the warden is the one who makes the "red-haired girl" feel safe. The Warden is in the position of the powerful, protective elder. If the story of Leliana knowing Adaia impacted Origins, however, then the dynamic of the warden & Leliana's relationship would've been that of a worldly, "older" woman (Leliana) versus a younger warden who sees Leli as the respected elder. Of course, when the main game comes out, they don't always know what DLC storylines will follow. I assume "Leliana's Song" came about because of the popularity of the character and gamers' desire to learn more about Leli's backstory.
They're not really some elder anyways, dlc or not. Few of the Wardens are potentially that old, and she was already an international bard with plenty of stories and life experience. And then enough time to turn 180 and change her ways in the Chantry. Cousland is "pup" and barely out of their bro's shadow, CE is stated as young, Dalish still Dahlen and still has a mom figure, Mage just passed harrowing (and they didn't enter the circle when old.. they came when Jowan and the Warden were both kids), DC probably young (considering that Bhelen is young and making moves on your own older sister), DN might be oldish but they're only just coming into their own in the military and still take crap from Trian.
Interesting thread...it's a pity that this situation doesn't impact the storyline in Origins. It would've changed the dynamic between the warden and Leliana when playing as the city elf vis-à-vis the other possible origins. Generally, the warden is the one who makes the "red-haired girl" feel safe. The Warden is in the position of the powerful, protective elder. If the story of Leliana knowing Adaia impacted Origins, however, then the dynamic of the warden & Leliana's relationship would've been that of a worldly, "older" woman (Leliana) versus a younger warden who sees Leli as the respected elder.
Except that isn't the role that Leliana is playing. With or without Leliana's Song, there was plenty of indication that Leliana was older than the barely-of-age default Warden. But she has adopted the role of benevolently innocent holy maiden, not jaded and worldly ex-spy who has been around the block twice. True, doing that makes Leliana the biggest liar out of all the companions but she's got the baby face to pull it off unlike Morrigan, who does her best to seem formidable, wise and sinister, despite the fact that of all the companions she's most likely be of an age with the default Warden and is second only to Sten in terms of being out of her depth in the real world. Fortunately for her guise, Morrigan doesn't have a baby face so it's easier to overlook how much she's posturing and how young she really is most of the time. Leliana could hardly play the role of "worldly veteran" when she opens with a claim that she had a vision telling her to join the quest. Most lies are rooted in wishes. Leliana wishes she was younger, more innocent, more holy, more content than she really is and so that's the part she lives. Her actual age is irrelevant to her relationship to the Warden.
Except that isn't the role that Leliana is playing. With or without Leliana's Song, there was plenty of indication that Leliana was older than the barely-of-age default Warden. But she has adopted the role of benevolently innocent holy maiden, not jaded and worldly ex-spy who has been around the block twice. True, doing that makes Leliana the biggest liar out of all the companions but she's got the baby face to pull it off unlike Morrigan, who does her best to seem formidable, wise and sinister, despite the fact that of all the companions she's most likely be of an age with the default Warden and is second only to Sten in terms of being out of her depth in the real world. Fortunately for her guise, Morrigan doesn't have a baby face so it's easier to overlook how much she's posturing and how young she really is most of the time. Leliana could hardly play the roll of "worldly veteran" when she opens with a claim that she had a vision telling her to join the quest. Most lies are rooted in wishes. Leliana wishes she was younger, more innocent, more holy, more content than she really is and so that's the part she lives. Her actual age is irrelevant to her relationship to the Warden.
I don't think Leliana is a lair, she's redeemed by the Maker. She doesn't need to feel jaded because she's been born again, all past sins and transgressions forgiven, so in a sense she is innocent and naive to this new world walking with the Maker. I believe she struggles a lot with that path, it's not an easy road after all and it makes her seem like she's putting on airs sometimes but old habits die hard as they say. Whatever her age she's a young women trying to find her place in a world she has seen some dark sides of, and will continue to see as she tries to become a better woman than she used to be.
But of course to each their own, the vastly different view points on characters and choices are what I love about this game series. No one is right and no one is wrong, people just see things differently. That view on Leliana is something I've never heard before, it's fascinating.
To muddy things further, while in camp talking to Morrigan, my city elf warden told Morrigan that her mother died when she was born. That would really make Leliana a 30+ year old cougar! Of course it's also implied that the city elf warden learned to be a rogue or warrior from her mother, so there may just be flaws in the script.
To muddy things further, while in camp talking to Morrigan, my city elf warden told Morrigan that her mother died when she was born. That would really make Leliana a 30+ year old cougar! Of course it's also implied that the city elf warden learned to be a rogue or warrior from her mother, so there may just be flaws in the script.
That's just a bug. For some reason the City Elf has the Dalish Elf's answer.
To muddy things further, while in camp talking to Morrigan, my city elf warden told Morrigan that her mother died when she was born. That would really make Leliana a 30+ year old cougar! Of course it's also implied that the city elf warden learned to be a rogue or warrior from her mother, so there may just be flaws in the script.
you say it like it is a bad thing.
I think that's a flaw with the CE dialog. They clearly lived while mom was around. City Elves don't teach from old diaries and books. I think?
I don't think Leli is a liar either. It's similar to any religous conversion. I don't want to get into my life story, but I turned 180 finally and started telling the same people I wronged that they could have free hits.. if they wanted. You never know what will change you. 
I would say mid 20's as she does have a fresh innoicent vibe about her in DAO that makes me think she's young.Obviously in DAI she's more assuer of herself and awaer of what's going on around her so mid 30's by DAI would be what I think.
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