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[Andraste_Reborn]

Maybe if there were no race-gating I'd be willing to go in blind - but I'm going to be playing a female dwarf Inquisitor first. It seems likely that there will be options that are closed off to her, and I'd like to know which one(s) so I can avoid wasting my time. I don't want to miss an opportunity to flirt with whichever dudes do dig short chicks, assuming I'm interested in one of them.

[daveliam]

The surprise is in the actual content. "Surprise! You picked the wrong race gender combination for any romance options that would appeal to you!", is a sort of surprise I would like to avoid. I don't have unlimited time to work with. These games can take hours and hours until you get to the point where you've figured that out. It's not even a little fun, to me.

 

Totally agreed with this.  I just don't have time to spend days and days playing games anymore.  I'll be lucky if I get one weekend day and a one weekend night in a week.  I really don't want to "figure it out" in this respect.  This is one area that I just prefer to "spoil" myself with who my choices are and plan accordingly. 

[draken-heart]

Maybe if there were no race-gating I'd be willing to go in blind - but I'm going to be playing a female dwarf Inquisitor first. It seems likely that there will be options that are closed off to her, and I'd like to know which one(s) so I can avoid wasting my time. I don't want to miss an opportunity to flirt with whichever dudes do dig short chicks, assuming I'm interested in one of them.

 

I am probably going to play a female Qunari/Vashoth, but I agree. I would like to know which characters are race-gated (primarily just want to know IF Sera, who is a romance option for only females, will be open to the race I plan to play).

[Eveangaline]

It'd be cool to see but if it isn't the chart will be made by players like, the day the game comes out.

[oligo]

I don't really plan my playthroughs around romances the first few times, and by then I usually know the game pretty well.  However, as I live in the UK, and won't be getting the game til a few days after US release, I imagine I'll know most (if not all) the romance options by the time I get to play.  I cannot resist spoilers.

 

That being said, I don't see really see why they shouldn't release the chart for those that are curious (other than to keep people speculating).  There is no right way to play a video game.  

 

In the end, it's all up to Bioware and I think they're going to keep tight-lipped about it.  That seems to be their preference as of late.

[Nashiktal]

Except that people will blurt out spoilers all over teh web.

Unfortunately the company has to release details about the game. It's called marketing. They do this to spread the word, create buzz, and drive sales. The only true way to avoid spoilers is unplug the internet and hide in the country.

[Bigbar]

Comon hawke romance comon!!

[caradoc2000]

Unfortunately the company has to release details about the game. It's called marketing. They do this to spread the word, create buzz, and drive sales.

There is a difference between marketing a game and releasing a walkthrough.

 

Wouldn't you guys rather find out romance details for yourself rather than having an excel chart for a "perfect" playthrough? Since this thread is here, I guess the answer is no.

[Andraste_Reborn]

The only things I decide before I start a DA game for the first time are my gender, race, class, specialisation and who I'm going to romance. I may have a vague idea of the way I want to roleplay a character, but that's subject to change based on what I encounter in the story. If I wanted to know everything, I'd just crack open the strategy guide, but I'd rather not be spoiled about the actual plot.

 

For me, picking my love interest is like picking any of those other traits. I know I'll have two or three options and it would be really useful for me to know which ones before I begin. If the game had twenty romances and they could be started at any time, I wouldn't care - but I'd rather not have my Inquisitor end up single just because I didn't hit the right flirt button at the right moment.

[JadePrince]

All I know/decide going in for SURE is gender and, if possible, which romances are available to me. I might have an idea of what race I want to be, but I probably won't decide for sure until I see all the nifty options in the character creator.

 

I might not decide ahead of time which romance I want to do (since we don't REALLY know the characters yet), but I absolutely DO want to know my options so I don't have a repeat of my "spend half the game pining after Alistair and giving him gifts before I realize I can't actually romance him"... situation. Maybe some of you would think that's fun, that it's just part of the experience, but since DA games are the only ones I know of that give me both a fantasy RPG setting and let me partake of gay romances, making sure I can experience that content (by knowing which characters will provide it) is ESSENTIAL for my enjoyment.

 

It's not about liking/wanting "spoilers", it's about making sure ahead of time that I won't miss the content I'm playing DA for. ::shrug:: 

[daveliam]

Why do you care how other people play their game?  That's the more important question.  No one is telling you that you must spoil yourself, so why on earth do you think that it is your right to tell other people that they can't spoil themselves? 

 

The internet (particularly message boards) will be filled with spoilers.  If you don't like that, then avoid message boards.  I will never understand why people who don't want to be spoiled think that they get priority over other people.  If spoilers are released, you don't have to look at them.  Period.  If you are so concerned that you might accidentally spoil yourself, then you need to plan accordingly.  I don't want to be spoiled on plot, so I avoid threads where this is being discussed.  If I were to come across an unmarked spoiler, I'd avoid that board,  Some people, however, want to be spoiled.  More power to them.  I do like to be spoiled on LIs, though.  I view it as similar to knowing what race/class combinations I can get.  It's mechanical (in addition to plot-driven).  Other people might view it differently though and more power to you.

 

I would never be so presumptuous as to tell you how to play your game. 

[caradoc2000]

To be sure: as far as I am concerned, romance (or any other) charts can be released.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

Of course they won't release a romance chart in juli, that would reduce the buzz from all the obsessives on this forum.

 

Maybe a month before release. IF we are lucky.

[Raikas]

Why do you care how other people play their game?  That's the more important question.  No one is telling you that you must spoil yourself, so why on earth do you think that it is your right to tell other people that they can't spoil themselves?

 

I think an interesting side question would be whether the same people who want to see a romance chart now would also want to see something like (for example) a chart of all of the possible solutions to that fade rip/whatever situation that we saw in the E3 presentation (since the presenter made the point that it would be different based on past choices and companions brought along).  And if not, why not? 

 

If romances aren't any different from other character-driven content, then the answer should be the same for both, but if it's not, why not?  And if it is, where is the line between character-driven and plot-driven content?  Because I think there are very few people who want to have the entire game mapped out pre-release, so there clearly is a line for most people, even the ones who want to know about this part.

 

ETA: Personally I don't fee strongly one way or the other, but I think the drive to know or not know specific points, and why people frame them as not-spoilers vs. plot spoilers is an interesting one.

[Zarathiel]

I think an interesting side question would be whether the same people who want to see a romance chart now would also want to see something like (for example) a chart of all of the possible solutions to that fade rip/whatever situation that we saw in the E3 presentation (since the presenter made the point that it would be different based on past choices and companions brought along).  And if not, why not? 

 

If romances aren't any different from other character-driven content, then the answer should be the same for both, but if it's not, why not?  And if it is, where is the line between character-driven and plot-driven content?  Because I think there are very few people who want to have the entire game mapped out pre-release, so there clearly is a line for most people, even the ones who want to know about this part.

 

ETA: Personally I don't fee strongly one way or the other, but I think the drive to know or not know specific points, and why people frame them as not-spoilers vs. plot spoilers is an interesting one.

 

Your example would actually spoil story content. The romance chart people are asking for would not. It would simply be a list of the LIs and which gender/race combinations can access them. That's it.

 

I don't know why people are acting like the game will be completely ruined for them if they stumble across that information.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I seriously don't care how much information they want to give to people before the game. If they want to release a list of possible consequences for every single choice, then I say go for it. Some people like to meta their games and I say good for them. But obviously they're not going to do that, because every game sells strategy guides for this specific reason.

 

To me, though, romances are basic information. They're like vague descriptions of the companions and of the classes you can play. They're the very base information I use to decide if I want to play the game and what sort of character I'll design going in.   

[Raikas]

Your example would actually spoil story content. The romance chart people are asking for would not. It would simply be a list of the LIs and which gender/race combinations can access them. That's it.

 

Are romances not essentially sidequests?  In the E3 Demo, the comment was made was that what we were seeing was a sidequest that was based on having made certain decisions, and if that's true then like a romance, it's a piece of optional content.

 

As long as we don't have a script, we're not actually spoiled for the specifics of the sidequest in either case - just the basic possible outcomes.

 

 

 

I don't know why people are acting like the game will be completely ruined for them if they stumble across that information.

Did anyone actually say that the game would be completely ruined if the chart were released?  I certainly didn't see that. I think for plenty of people part of the fun is finding out what is possible within the game - which followers you can miss, or kick out, or kill, or romance is very much part of that. 

 

And I suspect that even for most of the people who want the chart, there's still a desire for some surprise, right?  What I'm curious about is where that line lies for different people - because it's interesting for discussion, not for any kind of hyperbolic snark about it either ruining everything or on the flip side for it being completely meaningless.

[daveliam]

Are romances not essentially sidequests?  In the E3 Demo, the comment was made was that what we were seeing was a sidequest that was based on having made certain decisions, and if that's true then like a romance, it's a piece of optional content.

 

As long as we don't have a script, we're not actually spoiled for the specifics of the sidequest in either case - just the basic possible outcomes.

 

 

Did anyone actually say that the game would be completely ruined if the chart were released?  I certainly didn't see that. I think for plenty of people part of the fun is finding out what is possible within the game - which followers you can miss, or kick out, or kill, or romance is very much part of that. 

 

And I suspect that even for most of the people who want the chart, there's still a desire for some surprise, right?  What I'm curious about is where that line lies for different people - because it's interesting for discussion, not for any kind of hyperbolic snark about it either ruining everything or on the flip side for it being completely meaningless.

 

I can only answer for myself in this case.  I'd like to know who the LI's are and which race/gender combinations are accessible.  I don't want to know any details about their romance story (i.e. when/where you meet them, what the general "arc" of their romance is, what the outcomes are, etc.).  I just want to know which characters are available for which combinations so that I can plan my character accordingly.  It's the mechanics that I want to know about; not the plot or story.  I don't see any difference between this and knowing the specializations for each class. 

 

I just want to know who my options are for a gay male qunari warrior.  Or a lesbian dwarf rogue.  This way, I can know who I'm planning on romancing when I begin the playthrough.  It's one of the ways that I like to meta-game.  That's my take on it, at least.