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[Deflagratio]

Wrong. I say I have that information. It's a question of having enough pieces of the picture to be able to see the whole.

 

I don't have time to run through basic philosophy and logic, but I can sum it up by saying the certainty of your statement automatically invalidates it. That, and it's entirely based on the absence of evidence... That is to say, Minecraft was never released on Consoles first, to validate your position with your level of certainty requires that single variable to change, while everything else remains the same.

 

But thanks for proving trademark PC 'master race' arrogance in almost a caricature fashion.

[bEVEsthda]

But, hey, why can't people just let other people game however the heck they want? Why MUST one thing be better than the other?

 

I believe there's a lot of frustration with PC-gamers, because gaming hasn't evolved the way they would have liked to see.

So this frustration comes to the surface in these discussions, because they want everybody to shift to PC, so they can wield more power as a market group.

It doesn't work, of course, or is counterproductive.

 

Of course, one system IS best, but I don't think that has to be an issue. I'm not overly concerned about extremely high definition graphics. I feel we have advanced to a point where the returns on millions of transistors are quite diminishing. What is far more positive is that the new generation of consoles have removed memory and processing properties that have held back all previous generations of consoles. For the first time, the consoles are generally capable machines, and not just optimized for running the typical console game. I'm very excited about this. They will be capable of new levels of path-finding and AI, as well as having memory to hold a vast game-world. And as long as it affects game design and we start moving in new directions, it's no longer an issue for me if it's a console game or PC game.

[bEVEsthda]

I don't have time to run through basic philosophy and logic, but I can sum it up by saying the certainty of your statement automatically invalidates it. That, and it's entirely based on the absence of evidence... That is to say, Minecraft was never released on Consoles first, to validate your position with your level of certainty requires that single variable to change, while everything else remains the same.

 

But thanks for proving trademark PC 'master race' arrogance in almost a caricature fashion.

 

Of course it's based on evidence.

But the short of it is, if you can't see the whole picture clearly enough, then as far as I'm concerned I'm done. I have no motivation to spend a lot of time and energy to argue with you.

[Deflagratio]

Of course it's based on evidence.

But the short of it is, if you can't see the whole picture clearly enough, then as far as I'm concerned I'm done. I have no motivation to spend a lot of time and energy to argue with you.

 

You obviously don't understand the difference between absolute certainty and anecdotal certainty then, which is the only thing I'm trying to convey to you. Not even the most ironclad scientific theories can claim they're true  under absolute certainty, and I can assure you your claim isn't based off anything close to a scientific standard, just a heap of hindsight.

[Grieving Natashina]

Thus, the thread has become a screaming match between console and PC users, and now officially has damn near nothing to do with Inquisition.

 

 

 

[Kinthalis ThornBlade]

In terms of Minecraft it's not that the game might not have been a success on consoles at the start... it's that it could NEVER HAVE EXISTED on consoles at all.

 

Minecraft was an indie game on what was essentially early access, built on the premise of community driven development and heavy iteration. Hell there was almost no marketing money spent on it, it grew purely out of word of mouth from the PC gaming community*. Neither Sony nor Microsoft were anywhere near ready to handle that type of new market. 

 

PC is where a lot of innovation in the market place occurs, it's not just where innovation in game design tends to happen. Almost ALL of the bullet points in the 2012 E3 announcement of the new consoles were essentially about making stuff that had been happening on PC for years, finally available in the console space.

 

* Also why it managed to sell, eventually, more on the consoles combined - it wasn't until it made it to consoles that marketing became huge for that game - often making it sound like it was a console exclusive. It's not difficult to understand why a game heavily marketed as being on console, and ONLY heavily marketed once it hit consoles, is going to outsell a version of the game that is NOT marketed and relies pretty much exclusively on word of mouth, and a game that managed to completely sidestep one of PC gaming's most popular digital market place to boot.

 

That also doesn't change the fact that the PC version is the better version of that game, nor that the PC version is the most profitable version of that game as it was almost entirely sold digitally and directly form Notch.

[bEVEsthda]

You obviously don't understand the difference between absolute certainty and anecdotal certainty then, which is the only thing I'm trying to convey to you. Not even the most ironclad scientific theories can claim they're true  under absolute certainty, and I can assure you your claim isn't based off anything close to a scientific standard, just a heap of hindsight.

 

But the most ironclad scientific theories don't need what you postulate as "absolute certainty", to be widely recognized as 'fact'.

 

And I don't need your absolutes either.

[Kinthalis ThornBlade]

Guys, there is no reason for ad hominems. Let's discuss the arguments not what we think about each other's debating skills.

[Solaria]

PS4

[themageguy]

Xbox One

[Cryptos]

PC

[Bellanaris88]

PC!

 

I never owned a console and I'm not interested, since I'm uncomfortable with controllers.

[mopotter]

360 first.  If I eventually get a next gen platform and end up loving the game, will more than likely get a copy for that.  Or if there are amazing mods available might pick it up for the pc.  Mods are the only reason i play anything on the pc if there are other options.