Michel's the only character in TME that I absolutely hated. And it has nothing to do with his morality. Indeed, there's no logical reason for me to hate him, and I acknowledge that.
But I still hate him. I think Weekes might have inadvertently stumbled onto a combination of words that triggers loathing in my subconscious.
I suspect it may have been the mask he set in place for himself. Not the physical one all of Celenes servents wore but the mental one to be ashamed of his life before attending the Academie and becoming a Chevalier.Michel's the only character in TME that I absolutely hated. And it has nothing to do with his morality. Indeed, there's no logical reason for me to hate him, and I acknowledge that.
But I still hate him. I think Weekes might have inadvertently stumbled onto a combination of words that triggers loathing in my subconscious.
I'd personally love a Chevalier companion. I'd like to try and delve into their mindset and explore the way they think, their code of honour and see why they chose it and why they follow it. It'd be wonderful if they could potentially be broken free of that code of honour too.
Im curious about when it Isabella's deal was brought up, she mentions to Hawke she grew a conscious and let the slaves go. I would consider a Chevalier if they feel and do the same. Correcting things like that.
There was previous instance where she threw an entire load of slaves overboard still in chains.
And then she tried to make up for that, which I rather think was Tigers' point on the matter. Something a chevalier would also need to do.
There was previous instance where she threw an entire load of slaves overboard still in chains.
Characters can try to redeem themselves, even if the player character has to push them to do it.
And then she tried to make up for that, which I rather think was Tigers' point on the matter. Something a chevalier would also need to do.
Characters can try to redeem themselves, even if the player character has to push them to do it.
Hmmm lets see, she throws a bunch of slaves overboard to their death, then she lets a bunch of them go after she has already signed a contract to deliver them, then she steals a sacred book from the Qunari to pay off that debt, which she never delivers, and even though she knows that is the reason the Qunari won't leave Kirkwall she still never turns it over to the Qunari unless she is in love with Hawke.....
A truly repentent character would have faced their punishment instead of continuing to run from their responsibility. That is why every single time she came back with the book I handed her over to the Qunari. At some point she has to stop running and take the responsibility of her actions. Showing up with the book after the city is already burning and the Qunari have killed people isn't facing up to squat.
Guess there's always DLC to fix that if the demand is high enough.
Guess there's always DLC to fix that if the demand is high enough.
They won't be doing any DLC companions.
I suppose they might do a completely separate DLC like Golems, though.
Isabella doesn't need to be in a romance with Hawke to hand over the book.
They won't be doing any DLC companions.
I suppose they might do a completely separate DLC like Golems, though.
If the DLC takes you else where I can see them pulling another Tallis.
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Hmmm lets see, she throws a bunch of slaves overboard to their death, then she lets a bunch of them go after she has already signed a contract to deliver them, then she steals a sacred book from the Qunari to pay off that debt, which she never delivers, and even though she knows that is the reason the Qunari won't leave Kirkwall she still never turns it over to the Qunari unless she is in love with Hawke.....
A truly repentent character would have faced their punishment instead of continuing to run from their responsibility. That is why every single time she came back with the book I handed her over to the Qunari. At some point she has to stop running and take the responsibility of her actions. Showing up with the book after the city is already burning and the Qunari have killed people isn't facing up to squat.
Regardless of what she has or has not faced, I would never give her up to my enemy. The qunari manage the astounding feat of being worse than the templars, and my preference would have been to kill all of them and resell the Tome of Koslun to Tevinter.
Regardless of what she has or has not faced, I would never give her up to my enemy. The qunari manage the astounding feat of being worse than the templars, and my preference would have been to kill all of them and resell the Tome of Koslun to Tevinter.
Tevinter: Where mages are free but slavery and human/elven batteries totally cool
I fail to see how Tevinter is better than the Templars or the Qunari (though I also dislike the Qun) and it's a good thing almost everyone in the DA universe despises them.
I don't like Tevinter at all, but they couldn't get any practical use out of the Tome; it's just a propaganda victory. But it'd seriously demoralize the qunari and might bolster Tevinter, which is the greatest remaining bulwark against the qunari; hell, it might even lead to the qunari pursuing a true war before they were really ready, and that could damage them a lot in the long term.
Tevinter: Where mages are free but slavery and human/elven batteries totally cool
I fail to see how Tevinter is better than the Templars or the Qunari (though I also dislike the Qun) and it's a good thing almost everyone in the DA universe despises them.
Mages aren't free in Tevinter. Magisters are free, but they have absolutely no problem enslaving other mages.
Oh I see, yes that's more understandable, though I'm not sure if I would consider the Qunari a greater threat than Tevinter. I'm just hoping they wipe each other ourI don't like Tevinter at all, but they couldn't get any practical use out of the Tome; it's just a propaganda victory. But it'd seriously demoralize the qunari and might bolster Tevinter, which is the greatest remaining bulwark against the qunari; hell, it might even lead to the qunari pursuing a true war before they were really ready, and that could damage them a lot in the long term.
That's a very good point actually. Makes them all the more despicable.Mages aren't free in Tevinter. Magisters are free, but they have absolutely no problem enslaving other mages.
Michel's the only character in TME that I absolutely hated. And it has nothing to do with his morality. Indeed, there's no logical reason for me to hate him, and I acknowledge that.
But I still hate him. I think Weekes might have inadvertently stumbled onto a combination of words that triggers loathing in my subconscious.
I didn't hate Michel, but I didn't particularly like him, either. Although, to be entirely honest, I didn't really like ANY of the characters from TME... they all annoyed me in different ways. But, as far as chevaliers go, Michel seems alright, which is why I would like to see him as a companion at some point. Seeing as they've already established his character and given him an interesting back story, I'd like to see more of him.
I'd personally love a Chevalier companion. I'd like to try and delve into their mindset and explore the way they think, their code of honour and see why they chose it and why they follow it. It'd be wonderful if they could potentially be broken free of that code of honour too.
Why would you want to break them of their code of honor? Just curious. A man that breaks his code of honor is not someone I could really see myself trusting... I'd actually prefer an unrepentant chevalier. Having said that, I wouldn't mind having a chevalier that regrets killing city elves (but still believed that the chevaliers and their code of honor are good and worth preserving)
Characters can try to redeem themselves, even if the player character has to push them to do it.
I'm all for this - it would be nice to be able to convince a chevalier companion that killing city elves is senseless and that initiation rite ought to be abolished (unless there is some secret, yet-to-be-revealed reason for why they do it... I'm honestly curious).
Regardless of what she has or has not faced, I would never give her up to my enemy. The qunari manage the astounding feat of being worse than the templars, and my preference would have been to kill all of them and resell the Tome of Koslun to Tevinter.
I could never hand Isabella over to the Qunari. And I agree: after I killed all those qunari fighting my way to the Arishok, there couldn't have been *that* many left... I wouldn't have let them leave--not after they violated sacred guest right by attacking their generous hosts. Their heads would have decorated spikes on the walls of Kirkwall and I would have sent the Arishok's severed manhood to Par Vollen crushed between the charred pages of the Tome of Koslun... (I'm not a fan of Qunari, in case you couldn't tell 
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Why would you want to break them of their code of honor? Just curious. A man that breaks his code of honor is not someone I could really see myself trusting... I'd actually prefer an unrepentant chevalier. Having said that, I wouldn't mind having a chevalier that regrets killing city elves (but still believed that the chevaliers and their code of honor are good and worth preserving)
Some codes and loyalties aren't worth preserving. Better to be a traitor than serve a malevolent purpose.
Mind you, the only character I actually liked in The Masked Empire was Imshael. Horrible monster, but wonderfully entertaining.
I will never understand why people wanted Chevalier companion be regretting person. By their cruel time they did nothing worse than the others. It would be absurd like fish that desn't like the rain.
Some codes and loyalties aren't worth preserving. Better to be a traitor than serve a malevolent purpose.
Touche. But I would hardly call the chevaliers "malevolent"... they're the closest thing to knights in shining armor that Dragon Age has. They're not saints by any means, but who is? Look at the Grey Wardens--they're universally loved by fans but they have plenty of skeletons in their dark past.
Mind you, the only character I actually liked in The Masked Empire was Imshael. Horrible monster, but wonderfully entertaining.
Haha actually, I completely agree! Imshael was the only likable character (in my opinion). That's kind of why I hope Michel is a companion in the sequel... it would be fun to track him down together (and maybe side with Imshael over Michel at the end...)
I will never understand why people wanted Chev companion be regretting person. By their cruel time they did nothing worse than the others.
I could go either way, to be honest. I'd be fine with an unrepentant chevalier or an apologetic one. I just think they ought to be featured in DA:I since the game takes place in Orlais...
Touche. But I would hardly call the chevaliers "malevolent"... they're the closest thing to knights in shining armor that Dragon Age has. They're not saints by any means, but who is? Look at the Grey Wardens--they're universally loved by fans but they have plenty of skeletons in their dark past.
Every last one of them is a brutal murderer. If they're the closest to that archetype, the archetype is a lie; as if the templars hadn't proven that already.
Every last one of them is a brutal murderer. If they're the closest to that archetype, the archetype is a lie; as if the templars hadn't proven that already.
Almost every companion in the game is guilty of murder. And almost all of that murder can either be justified or condemned (as "brutal", "senseless", etc), depending on which way your moral compass points.
Iron Bull is a qunari mercenary who jokes about how many pieces he can cut someone up with one swing of the sword... you think everyone he murdered deserved it? Doubtful. And how could you support ANY qunari after they attacked Kirkwall and killed countless innocent civilians? Unless all future qunari companions denounce the actions of the Arishok, they are all sympathizers of brutal murderers. I know I went off on a tangent, but I'm just trying to point out that chevaliers seem to get an unreasonable amount of hatred/criticism.
Almost every companion in the game is guilty of murder. And almost all of that murder can either be justified or condemned (as "brutal", "senseless", etc), depending on which way your moral compass points.
Iron Bull is a qunari mercenary who jokes about how many pieces he can cut someone up with one swing of the sword... you think everyone he murdered deserved it? Doubtful. And how could you support ANY qunari after they attacked Kirkwall and killed countless innocent civilians? Unless all future qunari companions denounce the actions of the Arishok, they are all sympathizers of brutal murderers. I know I went off on a tangent, but I'm just trying to point out that chevaliers seem to get an unreasonable amount of hatred/criticism.
Speak to people who actually like the qunari on that note, then. I also am going to take some issue with your statement... in DA2 alone, only Varric, Isabela and Fenris seem likely to qualify for that. Bethany, Carver, Aveline and Merrill are innocent of it; Anders is vague (until later in the game, at any rate). In DAO, there are more of them, but Alistair, Morrigan and Wynne are all clean, at least.
Also, none of them are guilty of race-based hate crimes, which this is.
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