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[Xilizhra]

If Orlais falls the Qunari would have to either be crippled by the Fade Tears or Plot Induced Stupidity in order not to blitz Tevinter and Nevarra then the rest of Thedas.

So the odds of that are... what, maybe 80%?

[The Hierophant]

So the odds of that are... what, maybe 80%?

Probably better odds than bringing down Orlais in DAI.

[LobselVith8]

If Orlais falls the Qunari would have to either be crippled by the Fade Tears or Plot Induced Stupidity in order not to blitz Tevinter and Nevarra then the rest of Thedas.

 

I'm not under the impression that Orlais is the only thing keeping the Qunari at bay, or the only thing preventing a Qunari victory over the rest of Thedas; in fact, I recall the historical account reading that the mages were the "greatest advantage" against the Qunari during the New Exalted Marches, not Orlais. I'm willing to take the chance at letting the civil war cripple the Orlesian Empire if it means that it's not in a position to harm Ferelden and an independent Dales.

[Hellion Rex]

If Orlais falls the Qunari would have to either be crippled by the Fade Tears or Plot Induced Stupidity in order not to blitz Tevinter and Nevarra then the rest of Thedas.

Hell, why wait on the Qunari? From what I understand, Nevarra could be knocking on Orlais' door pretty soon, if the Pentaghasts can put the right guy or gal on the throne.

[The Hierophant]

I'm not under the impression that Orlais is the only thing keeping the Qunari at bay, or the only thing preventing a Qunari victory over the rest of Thedas; in fact, I recall the historical account reading that the mages were the "greatest advantage" against the Qunari during the New Exalted Marches, not Orlais. I'm willing to take the chance at letting the civil war cripple the Orlesian Empire if it means that it's not in a position to harm Ferelden and an independent Dales.

Said mages are distracted by war with the Templars and lacks coordination with any other military power, while Tevinter is in steady decline. Nevarra is a rising power but i doubt that it alone could stop the zerg rush.

[Xilizhra]

Said mages are distracted by war with the Templars and lacks coordination with any other military power, while Tevinter is in steady decline. Nevarra is a rising power but i doubt that it alone could stop the zerg rush.

I very strongly suspect the qunari, either way, will be the fourth game's big bad. I say bring on the threat.

[EmperorSahlertz]

I'm not under the impression that Orlais is the only thing keeping the Qunari at bay, or the only thing preventing a Qunari victory over the rest of Thedas; in fact, I recall the historical account reading that the mages were the "greatest advantage" against the Qunari during the New Exalted Marches, not Orlais. I'm willing to take the chance at letting the civil war cripple the Orlesian Empire if it means that it's not in a position to harm Ferelden and an independent Dales.

Thought experiment: What would have happened if we removed Orlais from the equation of the Qunari Wars?

 

Answer: Thedas would probably have lost, even though they had mages.

[The Hierophant]

Hell, why wait on the Qunari? From what I understand, Nevarra could be knocking on Orlais' door pretty soon, if the Pentaghasts can put the right guy or gal on the throne.

Tbh i think that's when the Qunari should invade. With Nevarra focused on conquering a weakened Orlais, Tevinter should be ripe for the picking.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Hell, why wait on the Qunari? From what I understand, Nevarra could be knocking on Orlais' door pretty soon, if the Pentaghasts can put the right guy or gal on the throne.

Let's bring Anderfels and Ferelden in on this deal too.

 

The Elves can have the Dales and the Arbor Wilds

Anderfels can have the Tirashan and the Sea of Ash

Ferelden can have the Heartlands and the Western Approach

Nevarra can have the Fields of Ghislain and the Nahashin Marches

[TheKomandorShepard]

To be honest qunari comparing to orlesians are saint and improvement over corrupted and highly abusive society.When im not fan of both i would prefer qunari.

[LobselVith8]

Said mages are distracted by war with the Templars and lacks coordination with any other military power, while Tevinter is in steady decline. Nevarra is a rising power but i doubt that it alone could stop the zerg rush.

 

The Inquisitor can side with the mages early on, according to the developers. While this narrative only covers Ferelden and Orlais, a regional victory for the mages, at least, seems to be possible.

[The Hierophant]

The Inquisitor can side with the mages early on, according to the developers. While this narrative only covers Ferelden and Orlais, a regional victory for the mages, at least, seems to be possible.

The mages representing any sort of threat depends on their numbers after their war with the Templars.

[LobselVith8]

Thought experiment: What would have happened if we removed Orlais from the equation of the Qunari Wars?

 

Answer: Thedas would probably have lost, even though they had mages.

 

I think the answer is that we don't know, because there are too many variables to consider, including who might fill the power vacuum in the absence of the Orlesian Empire.

[The Hierophant]

Oh yeah, back on the topic of Chevalier.

It needs to be offered as a spec sometime in the future.

*edit* @Emperor - With no Orlesian Empire the region would most likely be nothing but squabbling city states who'd catch the business real quick from the Qun. Plus, since the Chantry was a creation of Drakon the Circle wouldn't exist either.

[Xilizhra]

Oh yeah, back on the topic of Chevalier.

It needs to be offered as a spec sometime in the future.

What's the point? They're just high-level warriors.

[The Hierophant]

What's the point? They're just high-level warriors.

That's the point. Sounds better than the generic "Champion" too.

[EmperorSahlertz]

*edit* @Emperor - With no Orlesian Empire the region would most likely be nothing but squabbling city states who'd catch the business real quick from the Qun. Plus, since the Chantry was a creation of Drakon the Circle wouldn't exist either.

Hence my conclusion. Hell the world probably wouldn't even have made it through the Second Blight without the Orlesian Empire. Basically the Orlesian Empire is the number one source of stability and growth in Thedas.

[The Hierophant]

Hence my conclusion. Hell the world probably wouldn't even have made it through the Second Blight without the Orlesian Empire. Basically the Orlesian Empire is the number one source of stability and growth in Thedas.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is turns out to be the reasoning behind DAI's big bag's master plan.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That's the point. Sounds better than the generic "Champion" too.

I like the sound of Champion better than Chevalier actually.

[The Hierophant]

I like the sound of Champion better than Chevalier actually.

To each their own.

[leaguer of one]

Blights were whole world problem wardens were only part of forces small part of it every nation (well most at least) took part in it so well wardens were small part of it. And not 5 pretty much they didn't do crap to stop 5 blight as far i recall ferelden with other forces and the warden did all job.

.....Wut?

Sure everyone was fighting but to use that as an excuse to down play the wardens is grasping for straws.

[TheKomandorShepard]

.....Wut?

Sure everyone was fighting but to use that as an excuse to down play the wardens is grasping for straws.

No that they took part in that doesn't mean they are great warriors that they are painted to be... 

As i said wardens were only small part of forces to that day wardens are only special because they are only able to kill archdemon.

So when they are important that don't make them great warriors as far they didn't live up to their reputation same for crows.  

[leaguer of one]

No that they took part in that doesn't mean they are great warriors that they are painted to be... 

As i said wardens were only small part of forces to that day wardens are only special because they are only able to kill archdemon.

So when they are important that don't make them great warriors as far they didn't live up to their reputation same for crows.  

Except for the fact that take worrior's, rogue's mages of all walks and make teams of people who have to take on hordes of endless darkspawn who existence tainted non-blight endured living being to death. Are you forgetting they are facing armies of rest less living poisons? Men of normal armies don't last very long. Your looking at armies who are going to be losing men like flies with out direct fighting. The wardens, who are resistant to blight sickness and the most efficient fighter in a blight simply because of the fact they have to in order last long enough to kill dark spawn. The army is need but only to back the wardens. Using an army mostly to deal with blight mean lose most of it just to blight sickness.

 

Sorry but you're being arrogant again. Warden's are feared in a fight for a reason.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Except for the fact that take worrior's, rogue's mages of all walks and make teams of people who have to take on hordes of endless darkspawn who existence tainted non-blight endured living being to death. Are you forgetting they are facing armies of rest less living poisons? Men of normal armies don't last very long. Your looking at armies who are going to be losing men like flies with out direct fighting. The wardens, who are resistant to blight sickness and the most efficient fighter in a blight simply because of the fact they have to in order last long enough to kill dark spawn. The army is need but only to back the wardens. Using an army mostly to deal with blight mean lose most of it just to blight sickness.

 

Sorry but you're being arrogant again. Warden's are feared in a fight for a reason.

So how that make them great warriors?They were crushed 2 times by darkspawn easily...  and blight immunity doesn't make you great warrior.

Where you have that they are feared loghain kicked them out the country same for king Arland.

[In Exile]

I'm not under the impression that Orlais is the only thing keeping the Qunari at bay, or the only thing preventing a Qunari victory over the rest of Thedas; in fact, I recall the historical account reading that the mages were the "greatest advantage" against the Qunari during the New Exalted Marches, not Orlais. I'm willing to take the chance at letting the civil war cripple the Orlesian Empire if it means that it's not in a position to harm Ferelden and an independent Dales.

 

The Qunari crushed Tevinter, Rivain and Antiva in a decade (6:32 to 6:42 Steel) and occupied Tevinter itself for 40 years. It took a massive Tevinter uprising and another 40 years to force the Qunari back toward Seheron. The Tevinter's clearly used their mages freely during that period - it is Tevinter, after all - and that mattered very little to the Qunari. There was an uneasy stalemate starting in 7:25 Storm, but nothing changed until the Exalted March was declared (which is when we can infer that Orlais brought its military might to bear - though it may have been in conjunction with Neverra, the Anderfells, and Ferelden). 

 

It took another 60 years for the Orlesian + other forces to push the Qunari back, and as we know from DA2 it wasn't the military force but rather the loss of the Tome of Koslun and the outright genocides in Rivain that led to peace. The Orlesians used mages to counter the superior technology of the Qunari, but the Qunari had already crushed mages before. From the codex:

 

"The greatest advantage of the Chantry-led forces was the Circle of Magi. For all their technology, the Qunari appeared to harbor great hatred for magic. Faced with cannons, the Chantry responded with lightning and balls of fire.

 

The Qunari armies lacked the sheer numbers of humanity. So many were slain at Marnas Pell, on both sides, that the Veil is said to be permanently sundered, the ruins still plagued by restless corpses. But each year, the Chantry pushed further and further into the Qunari lines, although local converts to the Qun proved difficult to return to Andraste's teachings."

 

The codex just tells us that the biggest advantage for the Chantry was the mages, and that it was the overwhelming numbers of (clearly) non-mages that helped to turn the tide.