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Guest_Puddi III_*
Forced patching is definitely their fault. I hate that Valve has seemingly made it okay for distributors to decide which version of a game we get to play.
Are you aware that you can turn off auto-updates in an individual game's properties in the 'updates' tab? Or is this insufficient?
Well there is a problem for me, I don't want to have my game library divided between two services and I don't need yet another application running in my background eating up resources just for the heck of it. This is the equivalent of EA only selling their games at an EA run store and refusing to let the largest stores like Gamestop or Walmart sell it. I would imagine they are limiting their PC sales by not offering it on the most popular digital PC gaming service that the vast majority of PC gamers use.
No it isn't because Gamestop and Walmart are selling it, along with bestbuy, amazon, and multiple other large platforms, including for the PC.
Stop acting so silly.
I actually like Origin better than Steam.
And this just sounds like whining because you don't want to double click an icon.
I appreciate the info but that doesn't take care of my largest problem, I don't want my games to be split among multiple services.
EA doesn't want to pay Valve anything for hosting the game and it's DLC on Steam, so they're keeping it on Origin. That's the point of Origin, to save EA from having to pay others for selling their games.
Are you aware that you can turn off auto-updates in an individual game's properties in the 'updates' tab? Or is this insufficient?
You can't do that until the game has been activated, and activating it requires updating it to the current version.
So you can only opt-out of updates that are released after you install the game, and you cannot then ever uninstall the game without resetting the counter on that privilege.
If there's a Day 0 patch, you must install it. If you first install the game sometime after the release date, you must install all of the patches released up to that date. And once you install a patch, there's no way to undo that (so you can't test a patch against your playstyle or your mods).
Many times I have played games where the patches alter the game in some way I dislike. I remember how Medieval 2: Total War radically changed the behaviour of besieging armies. Both NWN and NWN2 badly damaged their friendly fire systems in patches. I had to use mods to undo changes made to DAO in both 1.02 (spell nerfs) and 1.03 (unshatterable lieutenants).
Personally I don't like Steam - I hate that Steam has decided what is best for gamers over the last few years.
While I don't like any of these ridiculous applications we need to have to own and play games - I find Origin is the only one that doesn't screw up when I'm jumping between multiple internet connections and hasn't freaked out after prolonged offline mode.
..however since we're stuck with all these applications - I like that EA and Ubisoft have actually brought a bit of competition into the application space. Because once you get outside of the Steam worship locations, you see that Steam doesn't always do things right, or the best.
Personally I feel everything should just be on GoG : v
Yes.
I'm of the strong opinion that if a company won't release their game DRM free themselves after a set period of release - set it up so GOG can do it after a few years.
Five, Ten Years - don't care. Whatever - just make a situation where the game is going to be available DRM free for people once you've cashed in all you can.
People will still buy it day 1, they'll still snap all of the collectors editions etc - this way you're just making sure that your game survives and is playable for eternity.
You know, you can run Origin through Steam, set it as a non Steam game and just hit it. Of course, you'd have to pick the game to play when in there... ^^
Even were you able to get Inquisition on Steam, it would still require you to download and install Origin. I had to use UPlay for Assassin's Creed II even though I bought it on Steam. I have to go through some sort of Square-Enix thing when I want to play FFVII, even though I bought it on Steam.
Eventually I'm reasonably sure that DAI will be available on Steam, but it will be slower to get there than other games. And yes, it will require you to use Origin, for Reasons. (I don't know what those reasons are.) This is already true of several other EA games sold on Steam, so I doubt it will change for the likes of DA:I,
I could be wrong about that (I haven't bought any recent EA games off Steam), but I'm pretty sure I heard elsewhere that such is the case--you can't avoid having Origin by purchasing on Steam. So if having both is a big issue, you may just want to skip DA:I.
I realize that EA has Origin but frankly I am not going to switch to their game service as I already own over 300 games in Steam and I prefer it. I would love to see EA decide to do what is right for gamers and release the thing on Steam, not down the road, on release day.
I have Steam and Origin. I don't understand all the fuss. EA sucks, but I wanted to play the games so I got over it.
Sadly, Origin handles patches in exactly the same way as Steam.Personally I don't like Steam - I hate that Steam has decided what is best for gamers over the last few years.
While I don't like any of these ridiculous applications we need to have to own and play games - I find Origin is the only one that doesn't screw up when I'm jumping between multiple internet connections and hasn't freaked out after prolonged offline mode.
..however since we're stuck with all these applications - I like that EA and Ubisoft have actually brought a bit of competition into the application space. Because once you get outside of the Steam worship locations, you see that Steam doesn't always do things right, or the best.
That's a big deal. If I buy a game, I should be able to play the version of my choice, under the circumstances I prefer, FOREVER.People will still buy it day 1, they'll still snap all of the collectors editions etc - this way you're just making sure that your game survives and is playable for eternity.
That's a big deal. If I buy a game, I should be able to play the version of my choice, under the circumstances I prefer, FOREVER.
As long as I have a platform capable of running at least one version of the game, I should be permitted to play it.
They don't have support me, but they do have to stay out of my way.
So when a car company sends you a request telling you they need your car brought in because there's a problem and its being recalled, do you angrily responsed that you have the right to drive whatever vehicle you want in whatever condition you want it?
I'm just wondering where this whole personal freedom trumps all stuff ends with your world view.
So when a car company sends you a request telling you they need your car brought in because there's a problem and its being recalled, do you angrily responsed that you have the right to drive whatever vehicle you want in whatever condition you want it?
If he liked the way the car worked with the "defect" better than the way it worked without it, why not?
Seems extremely odd to hold such a position is all. Every time I've not gone with the automatic update request for my games, they've all crashed.
If he liked the way the car worked with the "defect" better than the way it worked without it, why not?
So when a car company sends you a request telling you they need your car brought in because there's a problem and its being recalled, do you angrily responsed that you have the right to drive whatever vehicle you want in whatever condition you want it?
I'm just wondering where this whole personal freedom trumps all stuff ends with your world view.
The car analogy doesn't hold since a car with a defect could result in actual harm - however if it is a defect that is not something life threatening they usually offer optional free fixes / upgrades etc.
It also doesn't hold up since a patch doesn't necessarily mean a defect - but most of the patches Steam distributes to tend to be for the multiplayer side of things and are irrelevant for single player.
I imagine the whole personal freedom trumps all stuff ends when we as gamers have personal freedom at all. Right now for PC gaming there is very, very limited freedom with your gaming at all. Which in itself is interesting since one of the strongest aspects of PC gaming is the freedom that it offers...
..to go with a car analogy - it often feels like PC gaming is a super hotted up sports car....but you're only allowed to race it on three tracks these days - and all of them you need to wait for them to fix the track when you want to race.
Been using Origin for a while now and frankly it has been running a lot more stable than Steam has ever done.
Though honestly I have never liked Steam as all of the main issues with PC gaming right now are due to people giving Steam a free pass on everything which pretty much has allowed them to strip a lot of rights and privileges from gamers. If you want a list I can make one.
Guest_EntropicAngel_*
Sadly, Origin handles patches in exactly the same way as Steam.
There's a crucial and gigantic, enormous difference.
Origin--and Uplay--allow you to play a non-updated version of a game. You can refuse the update. Steam does not. Steam locks you out of playing a game until you've updated it.
I bought Borderlands 2 recently, was playing it, got online in Steam today, to discover an update was necessary. I tried to go back offline and play, but no dice. Update must be installed.
You're right about rollbacks, but at least Origin (and Uplay) LET you prevent the update (which means you could prevent it, go online to find out if the patch changes things you don't want changed, and if so keep preventing the update permanently).
Edit: Glad to see a few people who aren't Steam fanatics. Seems like they're the only ones around sometimes.
Double Edit: Oh, and another thing. I used to not have home internet access at all, and Steam would lock you out of offline mode every two weeks. I don't know if they still do, because I have access now, but Origin has never had that problem.
Double Edit: Oh, and another thing. I used to not have home internet access at all, and Steam would lock you out of offline mode every two weeks. I don't know if they still do, because I have access now, but Origin has never had that problem.
Not sure what the time period is - but I find after about a week or two of offline connectivity - Steam conveniently loses my logon details and requires an internet connection to sign back in before allowing you to play.
Games that have detected there is a patch to be downloaded but have not had it downloaded yet (when set to not automatically download patches) often do not work offline until you reconnect and patch.
I could write an essay on the barrier Steam has presented to me over the last few years with travel and an interstate move - but all the Steam fanatics ever tell me when I go looking for assistance is generally along the lines of insulting commentary towards my person.
Thus the reason why I'm bitter, jaded and generally don't have time for any of that elitist nonsense.
Ubisoft and EA really need to stop with the activation crap to let customers start up their games. They should know by know that they can't stop piracy with their foolish systems and in fact are only inconveniencing their customers. They'll save money for themselves and nuisance for their customers if they just go the GOG route.
I hope the people that are against DRM (many who seem to think Steam doesn't have it either) own a business one day so people can steal their merchandise. "Deal with it! I'm the customer!"
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