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I hope the people that are against DRM (many who seem to think Steam doesn't have it either) own a business one day so people can steal their merchandise. "Deal with it! I'm the customer!"
This line of conversation though will just end up getting the thread banned...
..however - many of the arguments pro DRM have long since died out against the weight of evidence. Even major pro DRM groups like Ubisoft are starting to backtrack and realise the error of their ways.
Is origin better than steam with the offline usage? I found it annoying when I had no internet that after awhile steam decided that I wasn't allowed to play my games off-line
Is origin better than steam with the offline usage? I found it annoying when I had no internet that after awhile steam decided that I wasn't allowed to play my games off-line
I found it better since it actually works. Whenever I tried to go offline in Steam it would either force me back online or Steam would just crash outright.
Ubisoft and EA really need to stop with the activation crap to let customers start up their games. They should know by know that they can't stop piracy with their foolish systems and in fact are only inconveniencing their customers. They'll save money for themselves and nuisance for their customers if they just go the GOG route.
CDPR hold true to their no DRM policy but they also complain heavily about piracy. Witcher 2 got pirated like crazy and that's probably the reasons they put TW3 on next gen from the start.
Not really. They skipped PS3 and XB360 simply because they are really weak consoles now, not because of piracy. If they really had a problem with piracy, they'd have also skipped the PC because that's where the piracy is most rampant. If they showed frustration towards piracy, it's understandable, because they do a lot to preserve customer convenience. All they ask is for people to support them for doing so.
In my opinion, companies really should just stop fussing over how many copies are being pirated by people and just concentrate on how many they sold. Ubi just loves reminding PC gamers how many pirate their AC games, while on the other hand they continue to port games over to PC, regardless of the quality of the port, just because their greed won't let them abandon PC completely. Typical corporate minds. If they had only treated their customers with some respect instead of painting all of them as thieves, they wouldn't face so much hostility.
Not really. They skipped PS3 and XB360 simply because they are really weak consoles now, not because of piracy. If they really had a problem with piracy, they'd have also skipped the PC because that's where the piracy is most rampant. If they showed frustration towards piracy, it's understandable, because they do a lot to preserve customer convenience. All they ask is for people to support them for doing so.
In my opinion, companies really should just stop fussing over how many copies are being pirated by people and just concentrate on how many they sold. Ubi just loves reminding PC gamers how many pirate their AC games, while on the other hand they continue to port games over to PC, regardless of the quality of the port, just because their greed won't let them abandon PC completely. Typical corporate minds. If they had only treated their customers with some respect instead of painting all of them as thieves, they wouldn't face so much hostility.
I think you misunderstood me. The Witcher always launched on PC first and in case of TW2 was ported to 360 a year or so later. Now TW3 is being released on PC and next-gen simultaneously which means PC isn't absolute for CDPR anymore, kind of a big deal.
Ubisoft also intentionally delays the PC version every time.
I think you misunderstood me. The Witcher always launched on PC first and in case of TW2 was ported to 360 a year or so later. Now TW3 is being released on PC and next-gen simultaneously which means PC isn't absolute for CDPR anymore, kind of a big deal.
Ubisoft also intentionally delays the PC version every time.
CDPR isn't doing this because of piracy but because they can't afford it to only sell on the PC and on the consoles later any longer with the increased costs of creating a Witcher game. They currently have more than 200 employees working on The Witcher 3. And knowing CDPR, it isn't likely they are going to abandon the PC any time soon.
And Ubisoft is like that, I hope it will some day bite them in the ass. They use some really mind boggling tactics to sell their games, including downgrading the PC version. I don't think this is something they can keep on doing. Gamers have gotten a huge wake up call about Ubisoft's tactics with Watch Dogs. The game looks nowhere near as good as what was shown at E3. Ubisoft seems to be on its way to become more hated than EA.
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Everyone points at EA an says this an that about them, but in my opinion Ubisoft must be the worst gaming company i have ever interacted with, which is a pity since i believe they make the best FPS games on the market
CDPR isn't doing this because of piracy but because they can't afford it to only sell on the PC and on the consoles later any longer with the increased costs of creating a Witcher game. They currently have more than 200 employees working on The Witcher 3. And knowing CDPR, it isn't likely they are going to abandon the PC any time soon.
And Ubisoft is like that, I hope it will some day bite them in the ass. They use some really mind boggling tactics to sell their games, including downgrading the PC version. I don't think this is something they can keep on doing. Gamers have gotten a huge wake up call about Ubisoft's tactics with Watch Dogs. The game looks nowhere near as good as what was shown at E3. Ubisoft seems to be on its way to become more hated than EA.
Piracy is part of why they can't afford to only sell on PC anymore. Obviously they won't abandon PC but it's doubtful Witcher games will make such huge jumps in graphics from now on due to the rather weak PS4 and XBO.
as much as i dont like origin, largely because its a pointless service that only exists to spite steam in some small way, i dont mind having it on there since i dont keep it open 9 times out of 10 anyway, point is, just think of it is an auto patcher that you need to boot up every now and then, if need be you can always run the game in offline mode
Piracy is part of why they can't afford to only sell on PC anymore. Obviously they won't abandon PC but it's doubtful Witcher games will make such huge jumps in graphics from now on due to the rather weak PS4 and XBO.
No. Piracy has nothing to do with it. People who can afford the games and have the intention to buy them, will buy them. Someone pirating a game rarely means a loss of sale of a retail copy. If that's the case, then used games also have the exact same effect on them. Unless you're actually buying a retail copy of the game, it doesn't change anything for the developer if you pirate the game, buy a used copy or just sit idly by.
CDPR's WItcher 3 being their greatest project yet is part of why they are releasing it on consoles. They support PC but unlike other companies, they were never against consoles. They took an year to release no.2 on the 360 because they were still new to the scene as a company and was their first attempt to porting a game over to a console. Now that both PS4 and the XB1 are little more than mid-range PCs, they decided to release their game on them.
We will see how the sales will fare between PC and the consoles. I won't be surprised if PC sales turn out to be at the top.
No. Piracy has nothing to do with it. People who can afford the games and have the intention to buy them, will buy them. Someone pirating a game rarely means a loss of sale of a retail copy. If that's the case, then used games also have the exact same effect on them. Unless you're actually buying a retail copy of the game, it doesn't change anything for the developer if you pirate the game, buy a used copy or just sit idly by.
CDPR's WItcher 3 being their greatest project yet is part of why they are releasing it on consoles. They support PC but unlike other companies, they were never against consoles. They took an year to release no.2 on the 360 because they were still new to the scene as a company and was their first attempt to porting a game over to a console. Now that both PS4 and the XB1 are little more than mid-range PCs, they decided to release their game on them.
We will see how the sales will fare between PC and the consoles. I won't be surprised if PC sales turn out to be at the top.
Piracy hurts the industry. Not only those who can't afford a game pirate it many are simply cheap. Many believe buying the game somewhere down the line somehow rectifies the pirating not counting that the price went down from 40-60$ to 2-5$. I'm not defending DRM as it's annoying but pirating hurts the industry just as used games sale does. You could argue that many who pirate games or borrow/rent them wouldn't get them otherwise which might be true but they don't matter in that case as neither publisher nor developer would have made a dime on them anyways. There are studies suggesting piracy helps the music industry but an album costs 7-10$ not up to 60$ hence the inhibition threshold is much smaller.?
In what wolrd are XB1 and PS4 a little more than midrange PCs? They are 400$ PCs, at best they are low mid-range.
Sales numbers on PC are hard to track as there are rarely numbers released.
In what wolrd are XB1 and PS4 a little more than midrange PCs? They are 400$ PCs, at best they are low mid-range.
Sales numbers on PC are hard to track as there are rarely numbers released.
Agree with what you said. I never said piracy doesn't affect the growth of the industry at all, only that it isn't as big a deal as people usually make it out to be. The same as used game market.
Also, I was being generous to the consoles. 
Is origin better than steam with the offline usage? I found it annoying when I had no internet that after awhile steam decided that I wasn't allowed to play my games off-line
Even with offline play, you need to log onto Steam every 24 hours, Pretty sure that's where Xbox stole this idea for Xbox one. On Origin, you can play offline games without having to log onto the system, I tested it with several games already.
No. Piracy has nothing to do with it. People who can afford the games and have the intention to buy them, will buy them. Someone pirating a game rarely means a loss of sale of a retail copy. If that's the case, then used games also have the exact same effect on them. Unless you're actually buying a retail copy of the game, it doesn't change anything for the developer if you pirate the game, buy a used copy or just sit idly by.
CDPR's WItcher 3 being their greatest project yet is part of why they are releasing it on consoles. They support PC but unlike other companies, they were never against consoles. They took an year to release no.2 on the 360 because they were still new to the scene as a company and was their first attempt to porting a game over to a console. Now that both PS4 and the XB1 are little more than mid-range PCs, they decided to release their game on them.
We will see how the sales will fare between PC and the consoles. I won't be surprised if PC sales turn out to be at the top.
If people can get something for free they will do so. I do not care if they can afford it or have the intention to buy it. If they can get it for free and not get caught many (not all) will do so.
Used games are different because someone at one time bought a retail copy that contributed to the bottomline of the company. Pirated copies do not contribute to the bottomline at anytime.
Piracy can be the death knell for large and small companies especially small independent companies that must cover their development costs.
It could be the best game on the planet if the company cannot sell enough copies to meet development costs and provide a decent profit the company will be gone.
Your agrument is that the pirates would not have bought it anyway which is true, but they allow other people who do not have their pirating skills the ability to get the game for nothing. These people would have otherwise had to purchase a retail copy or forego the purchase. If only some of those people purchase the game that can improve the companies bottomline.
Even GOG which sales games real cheap is not immuned to piracy. I see GOG games all over the place on download sites and torrents. The number of downloads is staggering. As I said if people can get for free they will unless the person has some moral compass.
Also having worked in the software industry there is nothing more grating than talking to someone who has downloaded your product for free and you will not see one dime of it in royalities or sales.
The reason DAI may not be on Steam comes down to disagreements between EA and Valve. Valve wants a cut of the DLC sales. Dragon age games allow the gamer to buy the dlc directly from Bioware/EA in game whether the game is downloaded from Steam or is a retail copy. Which means that EA has to take a loss on any dlc sales through Steam because Steam must get its cut.
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I don't agree that if people can get something for free they will always do so, especially not when they are capable of buying it and have an interest in buying it. If everyone did that all the time, no one would be launching SP games on PC, X360 and PS3 anymore.
The rest of the stuff, nothing new to what I've already said. Either people 1) genuinely buy the game, 2) buy a used copy of it, 3) pirate it, or 4) do nothing. Unless someone had the capacity or interest to pour money into the game, cases 2, 3 and 4 will change absolutely nothing for the developer. Oh, and it's true that for a used game to exist, it should be bought in retail first. I agree that piracy in this matter is just a lot easier.
I'm very well aware about how the livelihood of a game company is tied down to the sales earned by the game. But again, how much of a possibility is there for a pirate to actually go out and buy the game if they were somehow magically blocked from being able to pirate it? In my opinion, very very little, because most likely they never had the intention/interest of wanting to legally own a copy of it. So either they get the game illegally or don't get it. The sales of the game and the status of the developer changes in no way. And when I say pirates, I'm not just talking about the infamous ****** groups but also all the others who download the games.
As for DRM Vs no DRM. Games with the most annoying versions of DRM and games on GOG are equally pirated, which is why I'm against DRM. The only difference is that the crackers don't have to crack the game when it comes to GOG. All DRM does is annoy genuine game owners from accessing the game content right away/when they are offline. At times, DRM even drives people away from buying it like Ubisoft's Uplay.
I'm very well aware about how the livelihood of a game company is tied down to the sales earned by the game. But again, how much of a possibility is there for a pirate to actually go out and buy the game if they were somehow magically blocked from being able to pirate it? In my opinion, very very little, because most likely they never had the intention/interest of wanting to legally own a copy of it. So either they get the game illegally or don't get it. The sales of the game and the status of the developer changes in no way. And when I say pirates, I'm not just talking about the infamous ****** groups but also all the others who download the games.
So piracy almost never substitutes free copies for paid copies? Really?
If that's the case, where did all the music industry revenue go?
I can see an argument that most pirated copies don't represent lost sales, of course. But some of them would.
Anyway, this will all go away in a few years when enough of us have enough bandwidth for all content to be streamed
So piracy almost never substitutes free copies for paid copies? Really?
If that's the case, where did all the music industry revenue go?
I never said that, I'm just saying that it's not likely to happen. I'm sure there are cases where people actually halt at buying the game and pirate it instead, but I believe such cases are very few and far inbetween. Most of them have already made up their mind about whether they'll buy it retail or do something else(pirated, bought used, not bought).
I believe Valve is seen as some kind of saint by what seems to be a serious amount of PC gamers.
Probably because Valve pioneered digital distribution (yes there were others, but none so successful) and pretty much saved PC gaming from certain death.
I really don't see why you can't use both Steam and Origin. ''I want everything on one service'' is a pretty childish notion. If EA wants to be difficult, I'll download their game on some other service, who cares?
I never said that, I'm just saying that it's not likely to happen. I'm sure there are cases where people actually halt at buying the game and pirate it instead, but I believe such cases are very few and far inbetween. Most of them have already made up their mind about whether they'll buy it retail or do something else(pirated, bought used, not bought).
So it's not almost never, it's just very few and far inbetween? I'm not sure what the distinction is there.
So it's not almost never, it's just very few and far inbetween? I'm not sure what the distinction is there.
Sorry, I skipped the almost part. Anyway, I just believe that such cases are very few to actually matter, that's all.
Sorry, I skipped the almost part. Anyway, I just believe that such cases are very few to actually matter, that's all.
If that is the case then why is CDPR complaining about the piracy of Witcher 2. Here is a company with no DRM on their product but piracy and lost sales are still a big problem. Therefore far and few in between is not the case. Otherwise Witcher 2 sales should have been much more than they were. So it does actually matter.
I never got the point of DRM since its now so heavily done, you hear a lot more about some problems then you use to it.
But EA and V had some disagreements from the heavy discounts to some other things, its a rather long list. Plus EA wanted to closely keep track of their games through origins and they couldn't do that with stream.
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