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[SilkieBantam]

I'm sure that's why. They had it planned out and scripted and lines written for the major race gate to be for the story.

 

For IB, the "story" was just no no, I'll brake you. Not a lot of extra scripting there... they probably just cut one line and left eveyrthing else the same, changed the program to not have the lines *if elf, run script blah blah* and let the program be the same for all races. still could bug everything, but less a problem than re-doing whole character conversations (I assume ?)

Wasn't IB just gated against dwarves though?

 

If it boiled down to a "no I'll break you" then he *should have just been gated against elves. Physically they're the frailest of all the races. Dwarves are small but they're pure muscle. Personally I'd be more afraid of breaking an elf than a dwarf. 

 

EDIT: Oh wow my spelling is particularly bad tonight. Just gonna clean that up.

 

I know alot of people are urked about the whole race-gating, can't romance everyone like in DA2 thing but I rather like it. I think it makes the game more enjoyable and adds a level of depth to the characters. I love that they have their own preferences, beliefs, ect. To me it makes them seem more, i dunno.. "alive?"

I can respect that.

 

I'm far from pro-race-gating but what I'd rather have is the romances play out differently depending on race and class. Like how in Origins you could only become Queen as a Cousland, more stuff like that basically. Maybe it's harder to romance Cullen as a mage because of his history with mages or it's easier to romance Varric as a dwarf than as a Qunari, but not impossible. 

[Chernaya]

I know alot of people are urked about the whole race-gating, can't romance everyone like in DA2 thing but I rather like it. I think it makes the game more enjoyable and adds a level of depth to the characters. I love that they have their own preferences, beliefs, ect. To me it makes them seem more, i dunno.. "alive?"

 

I agree, I feel the same about characters having different sexualities, as well. The 'everyone is bisexual' part of DA2 made me a little uncomfortable, as a bisexual woman myself... I mean, it's not that I found it hard to believe or anything -- I just had this feeling in the back of my mind that it was being used as a game mechanic to please everyone... I enjoy more representation. I know some people would still prefer it that way and I have no qualms with that, it's just my own personal stance on it. :3

[Ynqve]

I'm far from pro-race-gating but what I'd rather have is the romances play out differently depending on race and class. Like how in Origins you could only become Queen as a Cousland, more stuff like that basically. Maybe it's harder to romance Cullen as a mage because of his history with mages or it's easier to romance Varric as a dwarf than as a Qunari, but not impossible. 

 

Couldn't agree more. It makes a ton of difference when the game reacts to your character like that. 

[GameBoyish]

I've now made the tweets available on Tumblr

[SilkieBantam]

Yeah... that would be kinda a kick in the face, wouldn't it? 

 

I think Varric has story reasons to not want to be with a Qunari, after DA2. Bad memories. I hope he still can be friends with my Qunari quizzy if that's the case though. :'c

That's the thing though, I think that given the events of DA2 a relationship between Varric and a Qunari has the potential to be the most interesting. If I were a writer that's the kind of plot I wouldn't want to pass up on.   So...much...potential....

[Mrs.Chestbeard]

I would hope it would be for story purposes. 

 

I'm not trying to sound ungrateful but after they poured extra time into IB (which is great mind you I'm very happy that happened and totally plan to romance him as a dwarf at some point) if it came down to pure technical reasons why Varric is racegated I would be kind of...annoyed. I mean once I got over the pure happiness of having a Varrric romance.

 

Yes, that would be a huge let down, because I would really like to romance him with a human or Qunari. But I'm thinking he makes the most sense as a gated LI in story. Mostly because he was there when the crazy stuff went down in Kirkwall (with the Qunari) and if the DLC is anything to go by, he doesn't seem very fond of them. Plus, he's only shown interest in lady dwarves up to this point, so I'd be okay if he was available to dwarves only. A little disappointed but grateful for the chance nonetheless...

[Chernaya]

That's the thing though, I think that given the events of DA2 a relationship between Varric and a Qunari has the potential to be the most interesting. If I were a writer that's the kind of plot I wouldn't want to pass up on.   So...much...potential....

 

I agree.   I was just trying to think of possible story reasons, but trust me I agree ~

[GameBoyish]

The two main Varric tumblrs are willing to support the "stud muffin" programme.

[SilkieBantam]

I agree.   I was just trying to think of possible story reasons, but trust me I agree ~

I know. I understand why they'd gate him because of those decisions but at the same time I'm like "No no no not against Qunari because this could be a really unique experience". 

 

I'd rather they gate him against humans since people are so insistent on bringing up the "pity I'm not into humans" line all the time. Although I always took that line with a grain of salt.

"Aveline I thought you'd have noticed by now: I lie a lot." 

[Slukers]

Yes, that would be a huge let down, because I would really like to romance him with a human or Qunari. But I'm thinking he makes the most sense as a gated LI in story. Mostly because he was there when the crazy stuff went down in Kirkwall (with the Qunari) and if the DLC is anything to go by, he doesn't seem very fond of them. Plus, he's only shown interest in lady dwarves up to this point, so I'd be okay if he was available to dwarves only. A little disappointed but grateful for the chance nonetheless...

 

Or maybe he has to marry a dwarf to keep his contacts happy/keep possession of his stuff. He loves his money, and his empire of contacts. That sounds harsh, but if you know thats how things are, would you even *look* at other options? Maybe it hasn't even occurred to him to look outside his race? 

 

Also, do we know if dwarves can cross-breed like elves can? Maybe he wants kids? (pure speculation now)

[GameBoyish]

Also, do we know if dwarves can cross-breed like elves can? Maybe he wants kids? (pure speculation now)

Yes, but like Krogans, children are hard to come by

http://dragonage.wik...ty_and_marriage

 

Interspecies relationships are possible, but frequently frowned upon by most societies. The fertility rate between two parents of different race are very low compared to that of the same race. In particular, elves are bound only to produce elven children with their own kind because their offspring with a human would be Elf-blooded, appearing physically human. Similarly this also happens with dwarves. Subsequently elves mating with humans is considered traitorous by the rest of their kind and any elf who conceives a child with a human risks expulsion from their community.

 

A child between a dwarf and a human is a half-dwarf, which would be taller than dwarves but shorter than humans. Such children are extremely rare, as dwarves are comparatively few in number and those living underground are reclusive to outsiders; mating with other species would bring great shame to the dwarf as well as their family. In addition, the dwarven fertility rate is very low due to the close proximity to the darkspawn taint for many generations.

[Mrs.Chestbeard]

Or maybe he has to marry a dwarf to keep his contacts happy/keep possession of his stuff. He loves his money, and his empire of contacts. That sounds harsh, but if you know thats how things are, would you even *look* at other options? Maybe it hasn't even occurred to him to look outside his race? 

 

Also, do we know if dwarves can cross-breed like elves can? Maybe he wants kids? (pure speculation now)

 

They can, but from what I understand it's pretty rare? From what I understand, a human/dwarf child would be slightly taller than a dwarf but still shorter than an average human.

[SilkieBantam]

Or maybe he has to marry a dwarf to keep his contacts happy/keep possession of his stuff. He loves his money, and his empire of contacts. That sounds harsh, but if you know thats how things are, would you even *look* at other options? Maybe it hasn't even occurred to him to look outside his race? 

 

Also, do we know if dwarves can cross-breed like elves can? Maybe he wants kids? (pure speculation now)

Pretty sure they can. I'm pretty sure it was stated somewhere that Sandal is half elf. 

 

Also that reminds me of a really sad fanfic I read back in my Varric/Hawke shipping days where Varric was in love with Hawke but couldn't be with her because he wanted children.  Very sad. 

 

But if it is something like that, related to having children or the future of the guild, then I would like it addressed instead of just swept under the rug. This may sound weird but if we can't romance Varric for whatever reason I'd like to have the opportunity to be properly rejected by him, sort of like what happened with Aveline. 

[Slukers]

Hmmm... so if Varric commits, he's like a rebel for not banging everyone! ... he'll commit, right? RIGHT?!

[Slukers]

Pretty sure they can. I'm pretty sure it was stated somewhere that Sandal is half elf. 

 

Also that reminds me of a really sad fanfic I read back in my Varric/Hawke shipping days where Varric was in love with Hawke but couldn't be with her because he wanted children.  Very sad. 

 

But if it is something like that, related to having children or the future of the guild, then I would like it addressed instead of just swept under the rug. This may sound weird but if we can't romance Varric for whatever reason I'd like to have the opportunity to be properly rejected by him, sort of like what happened with Aveline. 

Definitely... but that would at least be an acceptable story reason for race-gating... I feel

[GameBoyish]

I hope the story arc for his romance is written well. It's going to be an emotional rollercoaster, especially since there's the Bianca thing and potentially the children thing.

[Mrs.Chestbeard]

Wait..yup, I found this on DA WIKI:

 

"Children between dwarves and humans are extremely rare because of the low fertility rate of dwarves in addition to the small chances of producing offspring with other races. Half-dwarves are shorter than humans but taller than dwarves. Furthermore, it is more often that such mating would happen with surface dwarves as such union would be heavily stigmatized in Orzammar.
Children between dwarves and elves are even more rare. Their offspring would be dwarven to all appearances"

 

EDIT: Drats, ninja'd by Kath

[GameBoyish]

Pretty sure they can. I'm pretty sure it was stated somewhere that Sandal is half elf. 

Here.

 

Dialogue between Carta members in the Legacy DLC implies that Sandal may be the bastard son of an Aeducan, whose mother was either an elf or a human.

 

Interesting. I wonder if she was a mage.

[SilkieBantam]

Wait..yup, I found this on DA WIKI:

 

"Children between dwarves and humans are extremely rare because of the low fertility rate of dwarves in addition to the small chances of producing offspring with other races. Half-dwarves are shorter than humans but taller than dwarves. Furthermore, it is more often that such mating would happen with surface dwarves as such union would be heavily stigmatized in Orzammar.
Children between dwarves and elves are even more rare. Their offspring would be dwarven to all appearances"

 

EDIT: Drats, ninja'd by Kath

This is kind of making me think Varric would rebel and marry someone other than a dwarf just to rebel. I seem to remember him being pretty vocal in his displeasure about the caste system and just Orzamaar's society in general. 

 

I've always wondered if the reason he shaves his beard has something to do with this as well. Oghren has a quote in Origins about the importance of beards among dwarves and I'm pretty sure most of the higher caste dwarves have beards. Shaving could be his way of "sticking it to the man". 

[Chernaya]

Wow, that's really interesting...so his unusual powers could come from being half elf, since elves are the most magically talented race, right? I didn't even know that.

[Mrs.Chestbeard]

Pretty sure they can. I'm pretty sure it was stated somewhere that Sandal is half elf. 

 

Also that reminds me of a really sad fanfic I read back in my Varric/Hawke shipping days where Varric was in love with Hawke but couldn't be with her because he wanted children.  Very sad. 

 

But if it is something like that, related to having children or the future of the guild, then I would like it addressed instead of just swept under the rug. This may sound weird but if we can't romance Varric for whatever reason I'd like to have the opportunity to be properly rejected by him, sort of like what happened with Aveline. 

 

That's not weird, I've been thinking the same thing. Even if we can't romance him, I want him to know how I feel at least. I don't want the playful, round-about way Hawke did it in DA2, I want my Quizzy to pour her heart and soul out to him! Then, he can let her down easy but I just want him to acknowledge her feelings. It'll hurt but at least we got to tell him and I won't have to deal with the "what if'?"  

[Who Knows]

I'm not convinced that the racegating is due to story reasons so much as animation reasons that are excused by story reasons. That is what happened with Iron Bull. As soon as the animations are in, suddenly he's not worried about breaking the Inquisitor.

 

As far as Varric with a human, they may be able to use the male Dwarf x Josephine/Cassandra/Dorian animations.

[Ynqve]

Guys, when have Varric ever seemed to care about dwarven traditions? I don't think that he'll use that as a gating excuse. 

 

I've been a firm believer in Sandal is an half elf for a long time, it just makes sense doesn't it?

[Slukers]

Hmm varric sticking it to Orzammar- race-gated against dwarves! (I would cry)

[Slukers]

I'm not saying that HE cares about the tradition, but his societal standing (all of his money and contacts) are what keeps him and his friends alive. If he risks messing those up, he could put others in danger. He's not one to put himself ahead of others. We DO know that