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Varric the Storyteller: Keeping us company in the Keep


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I've already got them compiled:

 

- Varric has a huge level of popularity with the fanbase, and while I don't think the writers would work their plot around that I don't think they'd ignore it either.
- He's had his looks subtly redesigned, and that redesign fits the look BioWare goes for when they're designing male LIs.
- There's a good chance the last two characters are racegated, and Varric has pretty good reasons for same.
-When an old companion comes back in a bioware sequel , so far they've always been romancable (Garrus, Tali , Anders etc)
- The Varric/Viv screenshot, could mean nothing but could mean something. People thought it could have been an indirect hint at the last 2 LI's.
- "Like a well oiled leather jacket"
- The Hobbit tweet, I stand by this regardless of what was tweeted after.  To do one, then the other when your answer is no is nothing short of evil.
- All other "No way in hell" LI's have already had firm "NO!"'s...Leliana and Cole.
- Varric is entertaining and keeps things interesting.
- Gaider said about a Varric romance in DA2 "It was tempting..."
- The "extra" that was almost put into DA2 post interrogation.
- He also said, "If we'd known how popular he'd be, maybe we'd have gone a different way." (paraphrased)
- First dwarf romance? That's a good reason
-If it really is a no, the KINDER thing would have been to let down his fans early. Bioware are aware people have wanted him as a romance since DA2. It doesn't seem like them to drag this out this long just to say no.
--Cameron Lee stressing that Varric loves Bianca too much to let her go sounds like a red herring.  We know we can switch out his weapon, but we can't get rid of Bianca nor equip it for ourselves.  "Letting Bianca go" in this case could be referring to his crossbow.
 
 
 
 
- Just because a character was not originally meant to be a romance, doesn't mean the developers can't change their minds:
 
“Trying to figure out what the romance is…sometimes it requires you to sit back and think about the character a slightly different way because you’ve always thought about them [one way]… Morrigan initially was not supposed to be a romance. I had to change the way I thought about her… [I saw her] as her having built up this sort of armor around herself — that there was a different person underneath. One that she purposely had to squelch because she thought that [it] was weak, because that was what she had been taught. Suddenly when I thought about that, it was, ‘Oh, that’s an interesting place to go.’
“You could almost sleep with Morrigan immediately — before you even got to know her at all — and that was part of her thing… She expected that and right afterwards it’d be over, but you could then scratch beneath the surface and break through her armor.”
 
 
 
There was an interview earlier this year before any romances were announced. I believe it was Allen (will double check when I'm back home). Basically, he said romances will be different this time with different personalities, blah blah blah. Varric for instance is very humorous something or other... Then the interviewer asked him if varric was a romance and Allen kinda realized what he said and was like well we aren't announcing anything right now and gaider wouldn't like it if I spoiled things, but let's just say varric still has some inserted issues with Bianca. ..(none of that was direct quote).... I really wish I was home to pull up the interview, does anyone else remember? I read it as against a varric romance before but now I wonder if he slipped and tried to save it with the Bianca comment
 
 
But yeah, if you want to put them at the front of the thread, that'd be great.

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- He's had his looks subtly redesigned, and that redesign fits the look BioWare goes for when they're designing male LIs.
 

:huh:

 

Forgive the snip, but I'm not sure what you mean here.  Could you elaborate for me?



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Foe is on point! Good job -high five-



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Saw this on Facebook earlier-
By Terra Archibald Shrewsbery

For the question of which rogue will you take with you -
Varric. Always Varric. Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of darkspawn, I shall fear no evil, for Varric is with me. Bianca and his chest hair, they comfort me.
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:huh:

 

Forgive the snip, but I'm not sure what you mean here.  Could you elaborate for me?

 

Admittedly it's kind of subjective, but I feel like Varric's looks have been "tweaked" a bit more than most of the other returning characters, and that those tweaks have put him a little bit more in line with the facial features you see on a lot of the male love interests in other BioWare games. Just my impression.


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Thanks Foe! You're a lifesaver, this thread is getting so big it can be hard to dig through. And in regards to the gating, after they revealed that IB-the tallest member of the Inquisiton-was originally supposed to be gated against dwarves for "story reasons" then doesn't it make sense that Varric-the shortest member would be the other one gated? From a technical animation stand point I mean. I just can't imagine them gating a human or their first homosexual characters.

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Thanks Foe! You're a lifesaver, this thread is getting so big it can be hard to dig through. And in regards to the gating, after they revealed that IB-the tallest member of the Inquisiton-was originally supposed to be gated against dwarves for "story reasons" then doesn't it make sense that Varric-the shortest member would be the other one gated? From a technical animation stand point I mean. I just can't imagine them gating a human or their first homosexual characters.

Oh? It was announced he was meant to be gated against dwarves specifically? I hadn't heard, but it DOES make sense.



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Admittedly it's kind of subjective, but I feel like Varric's looks have been "tweaked" a bit more than most of the other returning characters, and that those tweaks have put him a little bit more in line with the facial features you see on a lot of the male love interests in other BioWare games. Just my impression.

I'm still not following.  What kinds are tweaks are you referring to?



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Foe is on point! Good job -high five-

 

*grin* Thanks. I was planning to save it to a document for download, but this is a lot simpler. Thanks, Silkie.

 

Thanks Foe! You're a lifesaver, this thread is getting so big it can be hard to dig through. And in regards to the gating, after they revealed that IB-the tallest member of the Inquisiton-was originally supposed to be gated against dwarves for "story reasons" then doesn't it make sense that Varric-the shortest member would be the other one gated? From a technical animation stand point I mean. I just can't imagine them gating a human or their first homosexual characters.

 

Honestly, I dunno. I think the height thing got blown out of proportion, to be honest - when Allen was talking about programming limitations, he was just talking about time overall, and it wasn't til the fandom got ahold of it that we started focusing on height. It could be a factor, I'm just not sure it's the major one.



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Wow I didn't realize our list was that big. Good job everyone, we can be optimistic when we want to. xD haha ~



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Wow I didn't realize our list was that big. Good job everyone, we can be optimistic when we want to. xD haha ~

I'd prefer to be optimistic all the time so I'll probably read the list every day while whispering "See Juliet, It can happen...Hold back your tears."


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I'm still not following.  What kinds are tweaks are you referring to?

 

His jaw and forehead are a bit less pronounced and I want to say the bridge of his nose is a bit lower. It's subtle, I dunno. Not sure if they're changes made on purpose or just adaptations to the new engine, or if I'm just seeing something that isn't there.



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His jaw and forehead are a bit less pronounced and I want to say the bridge of his nose is a bit lower. It's subtle, I dunno. Not sure if they're changes made on purpose or just adaptations to the new engine, or if I'm just seeing something that isn't there.

Hmm, okay, I'll consider that.  Thanks :)

 

 

Wow I didn't realize our list was that big. Good job everyone, we can be optimistic when we want to. xD haha ~

 

I'd prefer to be optimistic all the time so I'll probably read the list every day while whispering "See Juliet, It can happen...Hold back your tears."

Remember: We're still the Underdogs.  We're still getting laughed at for think Varric is in as LI, although I think the laughter is quieting down a little as time goes on.  Also, we've seen a lot of support for the idea popping up all over the place over the last week, so let's take some comfort in that.

 

Life's too short to stay unhappy.  <hugs>


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I have pictures of DA2 Varric and DAI Varric, if it would help to put them up.  :) I'm not an artist, so I'm not great at picking out precise details of why something looks different, but his look does seem slightly different to me between the two games. It might just be an engine change, but I didn't feel the same way about Leliana.


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Not to intentionally detract from the current topic, but I drew Solas as Belle from Beauty and the Beast, and added some Varric :D

 

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Yes, Solas. Yes. XD hahaha. Love it ~


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Not to intentionally detract from the current topic, but I drew Solas as Belle from Beauty and the Beast, and added some Varric :D

 

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You guys crack me up.   :lol:



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A moment ago I was so mad I was shaking. Thank you all for being awesome and posting amazing things for me to come back and see. That is the power of the Varric thread.

 

I am going to get to work on that list in the OP now. 



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A moment ago I was so mad I was shaking. Thank you all for being awesome and posting amazing things for me to come back and see. That is the power of the Varric thread.

 

I am going to get to work on that list in the OP now. 

Good call.  <hugs>

 

Let us know if you need to talk.  Otherwise let us know if Foe might have missed anything that you have thought of.

 

@Foe: I wouldn't mind you putting up side by side comparisons of Varric between the last two games.  More Varric is never a bad thing, and plus I'm still gawking at how much better Frostbite really looks.


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That would be interesting! I've never compared the two before, myself. I could just tell that DA:I Varric was a lovely upgrade. :3 He was already one of the best looking characters besides Isabela imo, but I just love all of the detail frostbite is capable of. 



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Good call.  <hugs>

 

Let us know if you need to talk.  Otherwise let us know if Foe might have missed anything that you have thought of.

 

@Foe: I wouldn't mind you putting up side by side comparisons of Varric between the last two games.  More Varric is never a bad thing, and plus I'm still gawking at how much better Frostbite really looks.

Just gotta rant for a second. On my way home a neighbors dog latched onto my leg and bit me. Fortunately I was wearing boots so it's teeth only scraped my leg. Unfortunately those boots now have teeth marks in them. His excuse ? "Sorry she's only five months old." 

 

I'm debating calling animal control.  <_<

 

Ehmn enough of that negativity. I'll be going back to editing the list now. 



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Just gotta rant for a second. On my way home a neighbors dog latched onto my leg and bit me. Fortunately I was wearing boots so it's teeth only scraped my leg. Unfortunately those boots now have teeth marks in them. His excuse ? "Sorry she's only five months old." 

 

I'm debating calling animal control.  <_<

 

Ehmn enough of that negativity. I'll be going back to editing the list now. 

 

:(  dang, sorry about that... I got bit by a dog halloween day once walking home from my high school... I had always walked through that neighbors yard with their consent (they had a back gate that made a really nice shortcut) but they didn't latch the door that day and it just sunk its teeth into my leg. They came running out of the house and I was like "I'm okay, it didn't hurt!" and they pointed down to show me I was bleeding a lot, ended up having to get stitches. They paid for it and were very nice... owners should always take responsibility, never make excuses. -_- I'm glad you only got scraped, but I agree that those people can't just have a dog out in public that's going to attack people. :s <3



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Just gotta rant for a second. On my way home a neighbors dog latched onto my leg and bit me. Fortunately I was wearing boots so it's teeth only scraped my leg. Unfortunately those boots now have teeth marks in them. His excuse ? "Sorry she's only five months old." 

 

I'm debating calling animal control.  <_<

 

Ehmn enough of that negativity. I'll be going back to editing the list now. 

Did it break this skin?  Has she had her shots?  Did the owner react fairly and appropriately when you were bit?

 

Being nibbled by a puppy is cute.  It's not so cute when she's two hundred pounds and you can't have guests in the house because she eats them.  -_-  I'm a firm believer that there are no bad dogs, just people who don't know how to train them.


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Did it break this skin?  Has she had her shots?  Did the owner react fairly and appropriately when you were bit?

 

Being nibbled by a puppy is cute.  It's not so cute when she's two hundred pounds and you can't have guests in the house because she eats them.  -_-  I'm a firm believer that there are no bad dogs, just people who don't know how to train them.

 

Agree with you, there. :/ It's a shame...