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[Ceoldoren]

Shale says hi. 

Shale was no longer really a Dwarf, I mean. It'd been so long since she was alive that she didn't even remember who she used to be.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Shale was a dwarf,but I don't think she considers herself one as a golem. 

 

Though...wasn't she traveling on quest to look for a way to regain her mortal fleshly form? 

Yeah, that is why she travels with Wynne after Origins. 

[Chernaya]

The break up was a little hard to watch.

 

Warden: I just don't want this to come between us.

Alistair: Us?  There is no "us."

 

I typically let Loghain live if my warden is male and therefore not sleeping with Alistair.  The Dalish lady was the first and only time I'd done it with a female in a romance with Alistair.  I'm trying to do it again when my Cousland is romancing Zevran and plans to marry Alistair.  I hear Alistair's first act as king is an execution, but for some reason it came down to one or the other.

 

Owch, my feels... :c But I give you credit for being able to do what I can't because I'm a big baby with certain things. xD

[Clockwork_Wings]

I think both make sense, though. It's one of the reasons I'd rather Varric wasn't racegated, since he's always seemed like someone who wouldn't particularly care what race a person is. But I think sometimes racegates can serve the character. Just for example, I wouldn't buy Sebastian romancing a Dalish unless she became Andrastean, and I'm not sure a romance arc based on "convert or get dumped" would be a good idea.

"Become a chantry sister!  Marry me today!  Like right now!"

 

I can see "convert or dump," since his romance was "join the clergy or dump."

[Foelhe]

I just find his entire demeanor totally ruined by scorn and hatred so strong it has turned him to a point of no return. I know he used to be a good guy, but he fell off the deep end. I don't know if that makes me a hypocrite for loving Isabela (who has a past with slavers) or Anders (for obvious reasons), but he's just so spiteful and cruel. I will admit I always feel horrible during the scene where Anora is covered in his blood sobbing after his death. I guess that's a sign I'm at least somewhat empathetic, because I really didn't like Anora much at all, either.

 

This is one of those weird times when I side with headcanon over what's actually happening, even though I don't really like my headcanon. I think Loghain has a lot more military experience than Alistair does, plus he's a well-decorated and well-respected general. So I tend to save him on my ruthlessly pragmatic runs, even though actual gameplay doesn't exactly make that a good choice.

[Ceoldoren]

I just find his entire demeanor totally ruined by scorn and hatred so strong it has turned him to a point of no return. I know he used to be a good guy, but he fell off the deep end. I don't know if that makes me a hypocrite for loving Isabela (who has a past with slavers) or Anders (for obvious reasons), but he's just so spiteful and cruel. I will admit I always feel horrible during the scene where Anora is covered in his blood sobbing after his death. I guess that's a sign I'm at least somewhat empathetic, because I really didn't like Anora much at all, either.

I'm sympathetic to Loghain. On my first playthrough I let him live. But after that it depended on how honorable or moral my character was.

[Grieving Natashina]

Yeah, that is why she travels with Wynne after Origins. 

For now, she's still a golem though.  She's more curious about her past, but honestly doesn't seem terribly concerned at the moment.  That was more of Wynne's idea, and while it's possible she might still look into it, I still don't see her as a dwarf.

 

 I also think she's the closest we've seen to a genderless character.  I am using the pronoun due to her background, and I don't like calling Shale an "It."  I don't mind if she does it to my characters and others around her, but it isn't my thing.  

[Chernaya]

I went with Thane in ME and then Anders in DA2. I knew what I was getting into with Thane, but I kinda felt tricked with Anders. Who the hell would've thought he'd turn into a terrorist ? 

 

I know... the worst part is that I can never get myself to even give the people he killed justice. I loved his romance admittedly, the drama was right up my alley but the ending was almost a slap in the face.

[Clockwork_Wings]

Owch, my feels... :c But I give you credit for being able to do what I can't because I'm a big baby with certain things. xD

I didn't know it would happen.  I was curious.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Shale isn't..exactly traditional though.  She is of dwarven ancestry, but she doesn't identify as a dwarf.  She recognizes her past, but she identifies as a golem and has (for now) the body of such.  So, I think of her much more of a golem with feminine qualities,  not so much as a female dwarf.

She still has the soul of a female Dwarf inside her, so it counts for me. 

[Foelhe]

"Become a chantry sister!  Marry me today!  Like right now!"

 

I can see "convert or dump," since his romance was "join the clergy or dump."

 

Personally, I'd say "Commit to the religion you were probably raised in" isn't as bad as "Abandon your culture and join mine." I mean, Hawke might not be Andrastean, but Sebastian doesn't have any reason to know that.

[Chernaya]

I'm sympathetic to Loghain. On my first playthrough I let him live. But after that it depended on how honorable or moral my character was.

 

I have The Stolen Throne in my bookshelf and I really need to read it. Maybe if I do that, I could understand much better why people have sympathy for him. And maaaaybe one day spare him on a file where I'm not friendly with or romancing Alistair...

[Ceoldoren]

I know... the worst part is that I can never get myself to even give the people he killed justice. I loved his romance admittedly, the drama was right up my alley but the ending was almost a slap in the face.

I was so angry that he'd just killed hundreds of innocent people that I killed him. It's probably the biggest emotional reaction I've ever had over a game.

[Foelhe]

She still has the soul of a female Dwarf inside her, so it counts for me. 

 

Yeah, but exceptions-with-an-asterisk are never a great sign. Right now we've got, "Shale was a dwarf! I mean, she doesn't look like a dwarf, and you don't know she's a dwarf until you finish her character arc, but still a dwarf!" It might be technically true, but if that's the only exception you've got, it's kind of telling.

[Grieving Natashina]

She still has the soul of a female Dwarf inside her, so it counts for me. 

She was born a dwarf, and now has the body of a golem.  The way she thinks and acts is of a golem, forming and reflecting her identity.  Just like with someone that was trans*, I think of her in the terms of how she thinks of herself after so long.  

 

Shale is an interesting case of YMMV, for sure.  

 

How about this: Sigrun is the only female dwarf to date that hasn't been inside of a body of a golem for ~1000 years.  She's alive in the traditional sense, she identifies as a dwarf, she's awesome and she is the only one we've gotten so far.  And that makes me a little sad.  

[SilkieBantam]

I know... the worst part is that I can never get myself to even give the people he killed justice. I loved his romance admittedly, the drama was right up my alley but the ending was almost a slap in the face.

I've never been able to romance Anders. I went with Fenris on my first play through, got to the ending and was like "Nope!" 

 

As I've said before I often play evil characters in games but as they say...even evil has standards. 

 

I've actually never been a big fan of Anders to begin with. He and I got off on the wrong foot in Awakening. He snapped at my character after she'd saved him from the Templars. I hold petty video game grudges. 

[Chernaya]

Yeah, but exceptions-with-an-asterisk are never a great sign. Right now we've got, "Shale was a dwarf! I mean, she doesn't look like a dwarf, and you don't know she's a dwarf until you finish her character arc, but still a dwarf!" It might be technically true, but if that's the only exception you've got, it's kind of telling.

 

Not to mention she didn't even remember her life or personality as a dwarf either, right? o:

[Clockwork_Wings]

I am curious how such things will work in the keep.  Will it know Alistair loved me, bedded me, and then left me because I showed compassion to our enemies? 

[Chernaya]

I've never been able to romance Anders. I went with Fenris on my first play through, got to the ending and was like "Nope!" 

 

As I've said before I often play evil characters in games but as they say...even evil has standards. 

 

I've actually never been a big fan of Anders to begin with. He and I got off on the wrong foot in Awakening. He snapped at my character after she'd saved him from the Templars. I hold petty video game grudges. 

 

I actually romanced him first because I enjoyed him so much in Awakening... I was in for a nice surprise. It's amusing though, I never play evil characters yet always let that one slip by. Maybe all of my Hawkes are slightly evil... letting someone go unpunished for a horrendous crime just because they're friends/lovers with that person. Yeep...

[Grieving Natashina]

I was so angry that he'd just killed hundreds of innocent people that I killed him. It's probably the biggest emotional reaction I've ever had over a game.

I knew it was coming, but wow, seeing it was a different matter.  I know I shouted "WTF?" loud enough to startle my dogs at that whole scene.

[Ceoldoren]

I knew it was coming, but wow, seeing it was a different matter.  I know I shouted "WTF?" loud enough to startle my dogs at that whole scene.

It was even worse considering I romanced him on my first playthrough I literally said "Oh good god Anders what the hell have you done ?" I didn't even regret killing him until I finished the game. Then I was just sad.

[Foelhe]

I was so angry that he'd just killed hundreds of innocent people that I killed him. It's probably the biggest emotional reaction I've ever had over a game.

 

I romanced Anders on my first playthrough. Then the Chantry blew, and I was so shocked I kinda went on autopilot and went, "Well, he's the love interest. Gotta save the love interest." Five seconds later I was completely pissed at myself.

 

Not to mention she didn't even remember her life or personality as a dwarf either, right? o:

 

I think so? Yeah, that sounds right. Again, not great representation for dwarves.

[SilkieBantam]

I actually romanced him first because I enjoyed him so much in Awakening... I was in for a nice surprise. It's amusing though, I never play evil characters yet always let that one slip by. Maybe all of my Hawkes are slightly evil... letting someone go unpunished for a horrendous crime just because they're friends/lovers with that person. Yeep...

He did have some funny banter in Awakening. I was actually a pretty big Justice fan though. 

 

One could argue that letting Anders live is the crueler punishment. Especially if you leave him, he'll be alone and on the run forever. 

[Ceoldoren]

He did have some funny banter in Awakening. I was actually a pretty big Justice fan though. 

 

One could argue that letting Anders live is the crueler punishment. Especially if you leave him, he'll be alone and on the run forever. 

I saw it as he'd never be able to live any semblance of life again, and we'd never have a life together. Not to mention he just commited an act of terrorism and singlehandedly started a war. I liked Anders alot. But he deserved and needed to die.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

She was born a dwarf, and now has the body of a golem.  The way she thinks and acts is of a golem, forming and reflecting her identity.  Just like with someone that was trans*, I think of her in the terms of how she thinks of herself after so long.  

 

Shale is an interesting case of YMMV, for sure.  

 

How about this: Sigrun is the only female dwarf to date that hasn't been inside of a body of a golem for ~1000 years.  She's alive in the traditional sense, she identifies as a dwarf, she's awesome and she is the only one we've gotten so far.  And that makes me a little sad.  

I really wouldn't call her a trans. I see her as more an amnesiac soul bounded to a suit of rock. She only doesn't see herself as female because that was buried in the centuries worth of memories of staring into utter blackness and another 30 years of being in Haven. 

 

And I'd say she is still alive in the traditional sense since in the DA world spirits and demons are not flesh and blood yet are still alive. And Shale was also awesome.

 

I know different views and all that, but felt this needed responding to.