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[Mrs.Chestbeard]

Yeah... I had some tears for certain... deaths in that game. ME3 is one of those rare games that has done that to me. :| The worst part is I found out a certain character could actually be saved, but you had to have a very specific (and kinda renegade) file import for it to happen, so it was impossible for me to save them. *sniffs*

 

Ah,yes..

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Mordin

I've still never been able to do it either, the cost is too darn high for me and I've said before how I feel about playing renegade. 

 

It's been a few years since ME3 released and I still tear up when I think about certain scenes. That game was one heck of an emotional rollercoaster.   The ending wasn't the best thing ever in my opinion, but that doesn't mean that the rest of the game wasn't stellar. That series is still and always will be very dear to me.

[Clockwork_Wings]

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Mordin. :c

 

I had no clue it was possible for him to live until way after beating the game. lol. 

Oh, yeah, that. 

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It's a good death, though.  He seemed content.  Would have liked to studied the seashells, though.

[Mrs.Chestbeard]

I tend to call it "Bioware's personal headcanon."  The nature of the game makes Dalish Elf/US/Mage Hawke/Mages as valid as Human Noble/Ritual/Warden Rules with Anora/Warrior Hawke/Templars.

 

They've said that a Hawke that sided with mages is the default for DA2 right? So, if they were playing the default world state in the recent trailer doesn't that mean that:

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Hawke is female in Bioware's "canon" and if the Warden was a Female Dalish, then that makes both of the previous protagonists women..That's kinda awesome since most games go for the typical cookie cutter guy hero.

[Chernaya]

Ah,yes..

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Mordin

I've still never been able to do it either, the cost is too darn high for me and I've said before how I feel about playing renegade. 

 

It's been a few years since ME3 released and I still tear up when I think about certain scenes. That game was one heck of an emotional rollercoaster.   The ending wasn't the best thing ever in my opinion, but that doesn't mean that the rest of the game wasn't stellar. That series is still and always will be very dear to me.

 

I feel the same way. The last 20 minutes or so doesn't really matter to me when the grand scheme of things was absolutely amazing, imo. I had my renegade outburts time to time, but I could have never made a decision that would have ended up hurting people in the end, so yeah. Wasn't for me. I was the peacemaker with little patience for the bad guys lol.

 

 

Oh, yeah, that. 

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It's a good death, though.  He seemed content.  Would have liked to studied the seashells, though.

 

Haha, yeah. x3 that line had me chuckling through my tears a bit. emotionally confused is the best way to put how that game made me feel.

[Andraste_Reborn]

I think "canon" is actually safe to say since they have comics and such about what happens after the games.
Like Alistair living and the Warden being a martyr.

 

It's a matter of semantics, but I tend to reserve 'canon' for the stuff that happens no matter what the player does (e.g. Duncan dies, the Warden kills the Archdemon, Leliana is alive in Inquisition.) Stuff like Alistair becoming king and the Warden being a Dalish elf is just the default state for people who don't overwriter it with their own data.

[blissfulbhajan]

Speaking of Anora, I love how Fereldan nobility doesn't distinguish much between class and gender. Consider the number of women in ranking positions, like the lady you give the ring to in the tavern, or Anora leading an army personally. Can you picture the de Launcets leading an army? No, but the Fereldan nobility, whether male or female, makes a hobby of it.

That's something I'd like to see again. Denerim castle is under siege, and you have to help Alistair and Anora defend it, witty party banter between both.

I think because the Chantry hold women in high esteem all of human nations under Chantry law are pretty cool with ladies.

[Pevesh]

Also, Cullen thread posted this while I was lurking: http://www.ign.com/a...d-relationships   A celebratory drink with Varric after a long day of epic dragon slaying? Yes, please!

Ooh, thanks for posting that! It's a really interesting article.

 

 

“What the writing team has done is they’ve laid out certain beats which could cause reactivity,” said Laidlaw. Each writer has individually analyzed a beat and assessed how specific characters should respond to you and the situation around them. Some characters may care about something, another may not. How that goes down could affect your long-term relationships -- romantic or otherwise.

I really like the sound of this. If they pull this off well, I think it should make the companions a whole lot more interesting, make it feel like you can really interact with them.

 

I wouldnt even be able to take it seriously if they killed Varric. Because it would be the most blatant attention grab possible. They would be killing an incredibly well loved character for no reason at all, other then to get reactions.

 

They may as well have the villain go "Nya nya!!" afterwords and stick his tongue out at you.

I'd be surprised if they'd kill off Varric and make it unavoidable if they did, but if they did I'd probably just be more angry than sad. Sometimes it is just too obvious when a writer is trying to make you feel sad by killing a character off, even when it doesn't make sense. For example, in ME3, I thought Mordin's death was fitting and very sad. They really pulled that one off well, but Legion's just pissed me off even though I loved Legion as much as Mordin because it made zero sense...and don't even get me started on Hawke's mom dying...

 

Hmm...interesting find. However what I find more troublesome is that she appears to be unequipped from Varric with Varric nowhere in sight....maybe you can only destroy her if Varric is...well...you know...

Nah, in the demo when they went to select companions, Varric was still included in the party selection screen.

 

If you hit destroy you probably get an audio file to play. "Not going to happen!" or something.

hah. I think Varric would leave the Inquisition if you tried that. "How...how could you?!"

[Chernaya]

They've said that a Hawke that sided with mages is the default for DA2 right? So, if they were playing the default world state in the recent trailer doesn't that mean that:

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Hawke is female in Bioware's "canon" and if the Warden was a Female Dalish, then that makes both of the previous protagonists women..That's kinda awesome since most games go for the typical cookie cutter guy hero.

 

I actually thought about that, and since Bioware seems to enjoy doing things differently it made since to me. It would have been so obvious if they just used human dudewarriors every time for the default, safe and boring. I'm glad they took a 180 and decided to do the opposite. xD

[Rel Fexive]

Mourning before the dawn.  Or something.  Give the game a chance to come out before you all start wishing Varric to death!

 

Seriously, though, hello.  Good evening.  And welcome.

 

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Mordin died well. Was being awesome.  Wouldn't have it any other way.  Except *inhale* maybe alive.

 

I turned down Miranda and then it got her dead, too.  Broke my heart twice.

Do we have any more memes?

[Master Warder Z_]

I like Alistair, but that visual made me chuckle. XD

 

Alistair in the hanged man is UGH

 

i don't know how people thought he was hot the game before when he turns into...that.

[Clockwork_Wings]

They've said that a Hawke that sided with mages is the default for DA2 right? So, if they were playing the default world state in the recent trailer doesn't that mean that:

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Hawke is female in Bioware's "canon" and if the Warden was a Female Dalish, then that makes both of the previous protagonists women..That's kinda awesome since most games go for the typical cookie cutter guy hero.

That's something I've always found pretty neat about DA. 

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Any other team in any other studio would have done things much differently, and even though some complain that female companions in DAI are rare and they're all or mostly LIs thus reducing women to romance objects, the principal characters in the lore are always female.  Andraste, women are the religious power in the chantry, the ruler of several kingdoms is known to be or could be single females. 

[blissfulbhajan]

please be a bug. That would be a super bad way for Bianca to go!

It would instantly make Varric leave the party..

[Chernaya]

Alistair in the hanged man is UGH

 

i don't know how people thought he was hot the game before when he turns into...that.

 

He was cute in Origins, imo, but I was never attracted to him initially. It was his stupid, cute personality that got me to love him. To be honest, DA2 did little justice to making returning characters look... good. Besides Isabela, she was just lovely. 

[Clockwork_Wings]

I actually thought about that, and since Bioware seems to enjoy doing things differently it made since to me. It would have been so obvious if they just used human dudewarriors every time for the default, safe and boring. I'm glad they took a 180 and decided to do the opposite. xD

I recall those complaining that the warden, the Hawke, and the inquisitor are always male in the trailers.  Thing is, the trailers aren't really for those of us who already know the lore.  We know we like the game, we know we're going to buy it, we know we're going to buy it.  The trailers are for those that are on the fence or never heard of it.

 

As for Mass Effect's cover, since they're reversible I'd have released roughly half with one face forward and the other half with the other.

[Chernaya]

I recall those complaining that the warden, the Hawke, and the inquisitor are always male in the trailers.  Thing is, the trailers aren't really for those of us who already know the lore.  We know we like the game, we know we're going to buy it, we know we're going to buy it.  The trailers are for those that are on the fence or never heard of it.

 

As for Mass Effect's cover, since they're reversible I'd have released roughly half with one face forward and the other half with the other.

 

Indeed. I don't mind letting them advertise to the casual fanbase in the way they see most effective, I'm just glad they turn around and also show us they care about their other players as well. It's not common for many companies to do that so its very appreciated by me.

 

I turned that cover over to femshep in .5 seconds as soon as I walked out of the store with it. 

[Ajna]

Read this, Ajna. It's really good.
 

[Pevesh]

I recall those complaining that the warden, the Hawke, and the inquisitor are always male in the trailers.  Thing is, the trailers aren't really for those of us who already know the lore.  We know we like the game, we know we're going to buy it, we know we're going to buy it.  The trailers are for those that are on the fence or never heard of it.

 

As for Mass Effect's cover, since they're reversible I'd have released roughly half with one face forward and the other half with the other.

Yeah, I found it weird they didn't do that. I remember the original Guild Wars had a number of different boxes and some of them had female protagnists on them, so its not like it would have been shocking. First thing I did when I got home was flip the cover.

[Foelhe]

I recall those complaining that the warden, the Hawke, and the inquisitor are always male in the trailers.  Thing is, the trailers aren't really for those of us who already know the lore.  We know we like the game, we know we're going to buy it, we know we're going to buy it.  The trailers are for those that are on the fence or never heard of it.

 

As for Mass Effect's cover, since they're reversible I'd have released roughly half with one face forward and the other half with the other.

 

Well, the trailers are for new gamers, so I worry sometimes that BioWare is burying the lead. I know of at least a half-dozen women who didn't play Mass Effect until it had been out for years, because they had no idea it was a game you could play as a female character. Character customization is a selling point, and focusing on one specific Inquisitor loses that selling point. They've been doing really well with female representation so I'm not trying to rake them over the coals, I'm just not sure it's such a great decision.

[Clockwork_Wings]

I've never thought to myself, "Sure would love to play this game...BUT the main character is a male."  It's a form of escapism.  It's like saying one won't read books with protagonists too different from the reader.  Nobody does that.

[Foelhe]

I've never thought to myself, "Sure would love to play this game...BUT the main character is a male."  It's a form of escapism.  It's like saying one won't read books with protagonists too different from the reader.  Nobody does that.

 

... I just said I know a half-dozen women who did.

[Mrs.Chestbeard]

He was cute in Origins, imo, but I was never attracted to him initially. It was his stupid, cute personality that got me to love him. To be honest, DA2 did little justice to making returning characters look... good. Besides Isabela, she was just lovely. 

 

Honestly, even if Alistair had looked the same in Origins that he did in DA2, I still would've romanced him and he would still be my favorite character. His personality is what I fell in love with and I never found him attractive just like my other LI's in DA. That said, I am looking forward to seeing his new look in Inquisition. He's going to be so pretty in the new frostbite engine it's ridiculous. *le sigh*

[Chernaya]

Honestly, even if Alistair had looked the same in Origins that he did in DA2, I still would've romanced him and he would still be my favorite character. His personality is what I fell in love with and I never found him attractive just like my other LI's in DA. That said, I am looking forward to seeing his new look in Inquisition. He's going to be so pretty in the new frostbite engine it's ridiculous. *le sigh*

 

Same here.  I had no interest in him at first, and then fell head over heels. I actually missed Leliana on my first playthrough sadly, and I think that's what led me to being stuck romancing him forever, because otherwise I may not have given him the chance... I'm glad I did. (Still love ya, Lel) XD

 

Frostbite is making everyone look so wonderful... I can't wait. *shakes in anticipation*

[HuldraDancer]

Well, the trailers are for new gamers, so I worry sometimes that BioWare is burying the lead. I know of at least a half-dozen women who didn't play Mass Effect until it had been out for years, because they had no idea it was a game you could play as a female character. Character customization is a selling point, and focusing on one specific Inquisitor loses that selling point. They've been doing really well with female representation so I'm not trying to rake them over the coals, I'm just not sure it's such a great decision.

 

Going to admit I didn't pick up Mass Effect until much much later after hearing about it. I only picked it up after seeing lots of fan art of people's different Shepards and realize you could pick gender and customize and that it had some rpg elements to it. When I first saw it I thought it was solely a shooter which I'm not into, but seeing that it had BOTH rpg elements and gender choice and customization I was sold. I don't refuse to play games that have solely male leads one of my favorite games you can only play as a male but being able to choose gender is a huge bonus for me and more times than not I've notice if you can choose gender then the game has some rpg elements to it that I usually enjoy.

[TheodoricFriede]

He was cute in Origins, imo, but I was never attracted to him initially. It was his stupid, cute personality that got me to love him. To be honest, DA2 did little justice to making returning characters look... good. Besides Isabela, she was just lovely. 

He also looks different in the hanged man.

 

Hes a bit chubbier i think, due to being a shattered wreck of a man.

 

He still looks ok as the king.

[Clockwork_Wings]

... I just said I know a half-dozen women who did.

Refuse to read books because the protagonist is a male?