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[Jewlie Ghoulie]

Wow! I'm surprised hat Varricmancers were asked that question. Personally I think that applies to the newer characters we only know from the interviews (and i probably wouldn't include Cassandra because we have DotS and DA2 to gauge her more). Or any tamce really, I just feel knowing Varric more , we know what we may be getting a bit more.

At this point, I think some people are trying to use anything as an excuse to out a hold on it. But we'll keep going till we're told we're wrong

Edit: by a dev I mean

[Grieving Natashina]

Haha, I knew what you meant.  I have a rather sad half-smile on my face.  See, most folks are expecting and hoping to be told "Yes" to the romance they want.  They aren't coming into the next few months waiting to be disappointed.  I know at this point we're really the only ones that 95% expect the the answer to be no.

 

 I still think they would have told us if Varric wasn't a LI.  Yeah yeah, Darth Gaider blah blah blah...but I'd like to think they wouldn't torture this particular group anymore than they did the Cullenites.  I think they weren't expecting Varric to be as popular as he was, particularly as a LI request.

 

So, I wait, and listen to my favorite video game tunes (theme for Luca from FFX the 30 min extended mix at the moment,) and hope that the rest of the LIs are announced this weekend.  Oh and if Varric is bisexual, we'll need to set the flame shields to max in here.  Cries of, "You ruined my bro BioWare and it's all his fans' fault," would be legendary.  

[Ajna]

Amen to that. The only time I've ever said to someone that "No, this romance isn't happening, stop it," was when folks kept asking for a Cole romance.

Saddest part? Some of those folks came up with some (YMMV) decent reasons to have him as an asexual romance, then would proceed to tell those that talked about Varric that he's "still too hung up on Bianca" to have a romance. Some with varying degrees of politeness.

Yes, you read that right: Cole, a spirit/demon thingy with a child-like mind that has the body of an unhealthy man bordering on nearly a corpse, had a better chance according to some posters than Varric.

Varric, who is a full grown adult, definitely a dwarf, extremely hot, very popular and a character that DG had said after DA2 came out would have made a good romance.

Every time some of the more serious nay-sayers try to get me down, I think about DG talking about Varric being a decent romance. The words, "If I had known the way he would turn out," echo through my mind. Now, I know he didn't write Varric, but it gives me some hope.

Again, I just don't understand people sometimes. Cole=plausible; Varric=off the table due to a lost love he hasn't seen in over a decade.

I'm sooo glad that Mike Laidlaw put a stop to the "Cole as a LI" nonsense at the Q&A.

I love you Natashina, you always make me feel so much better! I wish you didn't have to sleep.. You're like our coach...pep talks, morale...

I was always planning to romance him with a female dwarf anyway, race gating doesn't scare me..

[Jewlie Ghoulie]

Haha, I knew what you meant. I have a rather sad half-smile on my face. See, most folks are expecting and hoping to be told "Yes" to the romance they want. They aren't coming into the next few months waiting to be disappointed. I know at this point we're really the only ones that 95% expect the the answer to be no.

I still think they would have told us if Varric wasn't a LI. Yeah yeah, Darth Gaider blah blah blah...but I'd like to think they wouldn't torture this particular group anymore than they did the Cullenites. I think they weren't expecting Varric to be as popular as he was, particularly as a LI request.

So, I wait, and listen to my favorite video game tunes (theme for Luca from FFX the 30 min extended mix at the moment,) and hope that the rest of the LIs are announced this weekend. Oh and if Varric is bisexual, we'll need to set the flame shields to max in here. Cries of, "You ruined my bro BioWare and it's all his fans' fault," would be legendary.

Oh I bet. Bioware a decisions are some how going to be our fault if it happens

_{and it will be hard not to gloat a bit but I'll just say I'm happy if it happens and sorry for whoever doesn't get who they want.}

[OracleofWar]

If race gating is my only hurdle to romance Varric, I don't care! I just want Varric! And if it's only on one of my playthroughs I can romance him, or a couple, that's fine, I just want that chance!
I'm obsessed with BSN now and checking when I can to see if he's been confirmed or not... I would say I need help, but Varric lovin' is something I don't want a cure for! lol

[Grieving Natashina]

If race gating is my only hurdle to romance Varric, I don't care! I just want Varric! And if it's only on one of my playthroughs I can romance him, or a couple, that's fine, I just want that chance!
I'm obsessed with BSN now and checking when I can to see if he's been confirmed or not... I would say I need help, but Varric lovin' is something I don't want a cure for! lol

Awesome!   Yeah, as long he's available for at least dwarves, and maybe humans (I still call bullshit on the whole "he isn't attracted to human" easily missed line), I doubt a single Varricmancer is going to object to rolling as a dwarf.  Many seem to prefer the race anyways (like me, at least the Thedas version of it,) so it isn't going to break their hearts.  

Actually a lot of the dwarf fans (not just us crazy Varricmancers) have talked about starting a thread to show off out dwarven Quizzies post-launch.   A lot of us want to show the DA team how much we really love the race and the lore that comes with them.  I for one look forward to seeing everyone Lady and Lord Cadash'es.

 

I love you Natashina, you always make me feel so much better! I wish you didn't have to sleep.. You're like our coach...pep talks, morale...

I was always planning to romance him with a female dwarf anyway, race gating doesn't scare me..

D'aww, thanks .  <hug>

 

Let's just say I had some serious practice in A Galaxy Far Far Away.  A few folks politely denying the idea of a Varricmance is very minor compared to my past.  

 

I passed out for 15 hours yesterday.  I'm a classic insomniac with slow sleep disorder (30mins to fall asleep on a good day, 2 hours on a bad day and if get woken up, I'm up), however occasionally my body plays a huge game of Catch Up.  I'm probably going to be up for the rest of the day so I can get some dishes and the like done.

 

_{Edit: I still can't believe that some folks think that Dorian and Sera is going to be race gated.  They have the two models that are the most middle-ground height and size-wise and should have the least problems with animation.  I also think that folks that think that BW is going to race gate the first gay man and the first lesbian companion LI are completely out of their f*cking minds.}

[Ajna]

A galaxy far far away? TOR?

[Grieving Natashina]

Oh I bet. Bioware a decisions are some how going to be our fault if it happens

_{and it will be hard not to gloat a bit but I'll just say I'm happy if it happens and sorry for whoever doesn't get who they want.}

Same and same.  

[Ajna]

Oh I bet. Bioware a decisions are some how going to be our fault if it happens

_{and it will be hard not to gloat a bit but I'll just say I'm happy if it happens and sorry for whoever doesn't get who they want.}

You know Jewlie, I thought to myself earlier "people can be so mean about it, if it happens...how can I not gloat?!" but I won't..ok I'll do it silently..

[Twilight_Princess]

Amen to that.  The only time I've ever said someone that "No, this romance isn't happening, stop it," was when folks kept asking for a Cole romance.  

 

Saddest part?  Some of those folks came up with some (YMMV) decent reasons to have him as an asexual romance, then would proceed to tell those that talked about Varric that he's "still too hung up on Bianca" to have a romance.  Some with varying degrees of politeness.

 

Yes, you read that right: Cole, a spirit/demon thingy with a child-like mind that has the body of an unhealthy man bordering on nearly a corpse, had a better chance according to some posters than Varric.  

 

Varric, who is a full grown adult, definitely a dwarf, extremely hot, very popular and a character that DG had said after DA2 came out would have made a good romance.

 

Every time some of the more serious nay-sayers try to get me down, I think about DG talking about Varric being a decent romance.  The words, "If I had known the way he would turn out," echo through my mind.  Now, I know he didn't write Varric, but it gives me some hope.

 

Again, I just don't understand people sometimes.  Cole=plausible;  Varric=off the table due to a lost love he hasn't seen in over a decade.  

 

I'm sooo glad that Mike Laidlaw put a stop to the "Cole as a LI" nonsense at the Q&A.

THIS. Nat, you are so on point with your comments that I sometimes catch myself nodding along while I read them. You know in that "You tell em gurl" kind of way XD. I've said this before and I'll say it again, Bianca being available for Varric is not a certainty.  Just because someone wants them back together doesn't mean it's 100% going to happen. The same way me hoping he's an LI doesn't make it so simply because it's something that I'd like to see happen. It's all theory at the moment. I know it sounds ridiculous that I have to say this but I can't count the number of times I've read things like this;

 

"he can't be a romance because of Bianca"

 

and more comments of this nature. There's this attitude that Bianca is absolutely getting back together with Varric, no if ands or buts about it. Here's the thing, no one knows how the Bianca plot will conclude. Maybe there is a happy reunion! And that's fine! But, it's also possible that Bioware won't go that route. 10 years (wait isn't it more?) is a looooong time. It's possible Bianca could have found someone else during that time or has a new life with a family now *shrug*.

Maybe, just maybe Varric's storyline is actually about letting go. It would make sense. He hates being outside his comfort zone (doesn't like change) this was highlighted in a recent interview. He has a reluctance that he might have to overcome in order for his character to develop and grow. Maybe Bianca is actually part of that process. Maybe he needs to see her again so that he can accept things have changed. Maybe she's happy and has no ill feelings towards him anymore. Maybe all he needs is her forgiveness for not going with her and letting her down all those years ago. Maybe it's closure that Varric craves most of all. He spends all his time re-telling stories of others so maybe his arc will be about starting a new chapter for himself instead of clinging on to what's old and familiar (Bianca, Kirkwall etc).

The point is I'm prepared for his story arc to go in a number of directions (that goes for his romance status also) , I can't say the same for some other posters. And I worry how they will react if Varric doesn't get back together with Bianca even if they DO see each other again.

 

That's one thing I don't get!!! How in the world does Romance possibility ruin friendship side? Do you know what their point is? Do they think they'll lose friendship conversations if he is a romance or do they think him not being their LI would some how effect their type of friendship?? I'm so confused

 

One word , Garrus. As you can see ,he's still very much the "Bro" of Mass Effect despite his awkdorkable romance with Shepard.

[Jewlie Ghoulie]

You know Jewlie, I thought to myself earlier "people can be so mean about it, if it happens...how can I not gloat?!" but I won't..ok I'll do it silently..

Just share your happiness and apologize to the people who are disappointed online... And in here we can have a party as well as you dancing and laughing maniacly behind your computer screen! ;P

[Grieving Natashina]

A galaxy far far away? TOR?

Yes ma'am.  

 

Spoiler

Did you remember the email campaign from late 2012 where some loudmouth was asking why BW-Austin hadn't said anything in 8 months about same gender romances? Then started writing GLAAD and every news site out there demanding for a response (good or bad) from EA about it?

 

Let's just say there is a reason why I didn't have the name "natashina" when I joined the BSN originally.

 

 

 

 

 

One word , Garrus. As you can see ,he's still very much the "Bro" of Mass Effect despite his awkdorkable romance with Shepard.

Ah, but I tried that.  The answer I got was: "But this isn't Mass Effect, he was Shepard's friend in all three games, so that's different.  It wouldn't work for Varric because he's supposed to be a "bro."

 

Me: That...still doesn't make any sense.  Especially since it's been clear he's not supposed to be everyone's friend this time.

 

I've stopped trying to use that one on the nay-sayers, but I do agree.

 

Thanks for the compliment.  

 

[Ajna]

I vaguely remember that lol. My only TOR heartbreak was Zenith so I think I was lucky...

[Ajna]

Yes ma'am.

Spoiler

Did you remember the email campaign from late 2012 where some loudmouth was asking why BW-Austin hadn't said anything in 8 months about same gender romances? Then started writing GLAAD and every news site out there demanding for a response (good or bad) from EA about it?

Let's just say there is a reason why I didn't have the name "natashina" when I joined the BSN originally.



Ah, but I tried that. The answer I got was: "But this isn't Mass Effect, he was Shepard's friend in all three games, so that's different. It wouldn't work for Varric because he's supposed to be a "bro."

Me: That...still doesn't make any sense. Especially since it's been clear he's not supposed to be everyone's friend this time.

I've stopped trying to use that one on the nay-sayers, but I do agree.

Thanks for the compliment.

Who said he's "supposed" to be a bro? Lol

[Jewlie Ghoulie]

Ah, but I tried that. The answer I got was: "But this isn't Mass Effect, he was Shepard's friend in all three games, so that's different. It wouldn't work for Varric because he's supposed to be a "bro."

Me: That...still doesn't make any sense. Especially since it's been clear he's not supposed to be everyone's friend this time.

I've stopped trying to use that one on the nay-sayers, but I do agree.

But that makes even less sense. He's supposed to be a bro?
We're not Hawke anymore! That's Hawke's best friend! It would make sense having a different type of bond with the inquisitor that could allow romance!

[Grieving Natashina]

I'll send you a PM sometime about it.  

 

I'll be blunt: If they list Varric's reason for not being a LI as Bianca again, I won't scream or cry.  I'll just deal with it, because if a man in his early 40s keeps a crossbow around because some girl over 11 years ago crushed his heart as a way to ward off intimacy, I wouldn't want him in the first place.

 

As long is it didn't go straight in to full-blown Carth Syndrome, I'd have no problem helping Varric move on from Bianca in a healthy way.  Shoot, I hope that weaves into his friendship arc as well.  That way even the player that doesn't care for him as a romance could help their best friend move on.  Also, I've noticed most of the folks that think he "needs" to get over Bianca in game either haven't read the comic or even read up about them on the wiki.  It seemed pretty damned clear by the end of Until We Sleep that he had largely put his feelings about Bianca to rest, but that's just me I suppose.   

 

Who said he's "supposed" to be a bro? Lol

 

But that makes even less sense. He's supposed to be a bro?
We're not Hawke anymore! That's Hawke's best friend! It would make sense having a different type of bond with the inquisitor that could allow romance!

I'm with you ladies, I'm with you.  I don't get it either, but I've dropped some good reasons because of that baseless excuse.

[Ajna]

But that makes even less sense. He's supposed to be a bro?
We're not Hawke anymore! That's Hawke's best friend! It would make sense having a different type of bond with the inquisitor that could allow romance!

Exactly! And he felt like Hawkes best friend, but my Dwarfquisitor will look at him completely differently..

[Grieving Natashina]

Exactly! And he felt like Hawkes best friend, but my Dwarfquisitor will look at him completely differently..

Oh yeah.   I'm wondering if a few realize that he might not get along with the player as well.  Shoot, I think it even said in an article about him that he isn't going to be the BFF this time.

[Ajna]

Oh yeah. I'm wondering if a few realize that he might not get along with the player as well. Shoot, I think it even said in an article about him that he isn't going to be the BFF this time.

I wonder if we'll have a BFF...

[Clockwork_Wings]

Awesome!   Yeah, as long he's available for at least dwarves, and maybe humans (I still call bullshit on the whole "he isn't attracted to human" easily missed line), I doubt a single Varricmancer is going to object to rolling as a dwarf.  Many seem to prefer the race anyways (like me, at least the Thedas version of it,) so it isn't going to break their hearts.  

Before I really understood what Dragon Age IS, I didn't want to play certain origins, but the idea of looking at a game like this and NOT trying different sorts of PCs baffles me.  I prefer rogues, but it goes back to looking at this game and saying, "I want LESS options." 

 

I almost wonder if the dwarf origins were some of the first that they did, since they seem so long and well-put-together, and the Dalish was the last, since it seems rushed.

 

I plan on going through the keep and making almost every combination I can think of.  I've got at least two dwarf wardens planed as it is, to say nothing of the save files I have on hold, just in case.

[Grieving Natashina]

Before I really understood what Dragon Age IS, I didn't want to play certain origins, but the idea of looking at a game like this and NOT trying different sorts of PCs baffles me.  I prefer rogues, but it goes back to looking at this game and saying, "I want LESS options." 

 

I almost wonder if the dwarf origins were some of the first that they did, since they seem so long and well-put-together, and the Dalish was the last, since it seems rushed.

 

I plan on going through the keep and making almost every combination I can think of.  I've got at least two dwarf wardens planed as it is, to say nothing of the save files I have on hold, just in case.

The only things I know about development was that there was a Dalish mage origin and a human barbarian option.  I believe the human barbarian is the last to be cut.  I do think they might have started with dwarves right after humans, since dwarves are far more stereotyped in fantasy lore.  Just Orzammar alone must have taken quite some blood, sweat and tears to get right.  I don't think the Dalish lore was rushed, because it was very finely crafted.  I do think the "rushed" feeling comes to other content from that origin that was likely taken out that we aren't aware of.

 

After my first character, I'll probably be going with a human male for a Dorian m/m romance.  I plan on playing most if not every race/class combination down the road.  It really depends upon how the other class specs feel to me.  Still, I agree; the words "less options" and "roleplay" seem to be opposite of each other.  

[Jewlie Ghoulie]

After my first character, I'll probably be going with a human male for a Dorian m/m romance.  I plan on playing most if not every race/class combination down the road.  It really depends upon how the other class specs feel to me.  Still, I agree; the words "less options" and "roleplay" seem to be opposite of each other.  

I either want to play a Rogue Dwarf (And I really think I want to try a dwarf with a bow and arrow because I've never did it in Dragon Age. Just my elf and human would use them ) or an Elven Mage my first play through. Which ever of the one I don't choose will be my second, Qunari is my third, and human is my fourth!

 

Then I shall eventually rehash and just change up classes because I know I'll play plenty of different playthroughs and imports like I've done with the other dragon age games.

[Ajna]

My Dwarf will be a dual wielding rogue who will later become an Artificer, she wants to blow things up...

[Jewlie Ghoulie]

My Dwarf will be a dual wielding rogue who will later become an Artificer, she wants to blow things up...

I'm curious to see the new animations for dual wielding

[Who Knows]

I think the dwarf origins were easily the best out of all of them, which is one reason why it's sad that dwarves are the least played race.

 

I plan to play as a dwarf or elf as my first inquisitor. Gender will be whatever voice I prefer most. Varric's my first choice as a romance, otherwise Josephine.