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[Hanako Ikezawa]

I never really saw that as a threat. It was about faking authority, and that's different. If your Hawke then decides to threaten, that's not on Varric now is it? And if Varric gets his way, everyone get to live another day. That's a good thing.

Faking authority is a threat since it is implying "Mess with us and you will be punished". 

Depending on the people, not really. Faking out Ser Karras results in Alain being raped, faking out the slavers results in them just enslaving other people. I wouldn't say either of those are good things. 

 

 

When he did that?

In the Act of Mercy quest and the quest with getting Feynriel from slavers. 

[Who Knows]

I don't like the idea of taking Cass down a notch. She's just doing what she feels is right. Varric's bitterness isn't unjustified but I don't think Cass wanted it to go that way nor do I feel she is the sole cause of it. If anything, I'd like Cass and Varric to understand each other better.

She does need to be taken down a notch. She treated Varric pretty badly, and Varric's only crime was knowing Hawke. Everyone does what they feel is right, but the question is whether their methods are right. Cassandra got what she wanted, but burned bridges in the process. It is a good thing she isn't the leader of the Inquisition.

[Chernaya]

I don't like the idea of taking Cass down a notch. She's just doing what she feels is right. Varric's bitterness isn't unjustified but I don't think Cass wanted it to go that way nor do I feel she is the sole cause of it. If anything, I'd like Cass and Varric to understand each other better.

 

Yep, I'm all for this. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

She does need to be taken down a notch. She treated Varric pretty badly, and Varric's only crime was knowing Hawke. Everyone does what they feel is right, but the question is whether their methods are right. Cassandra got what she wanted, but burned bridges in the process. It is a good thing she isn't the leader of the Inquisition.

And helping to bring the Red Lyrium to the surface, thus indirectly the events leading to and the Mage-Templar War. And a ton of other crimes he has done. 

[Ajna]

And helping to bring the Red Lyrium to the surface, thus indirectly the events leading to and the Mage-Templar War. And a ton of other crimes he has done. 

That's not really fair, it's not like he knew what that stuff would do...

[Ynqve]

 

Faking authority is a threat since it is implying "Mess with us and you will be punished". 

Depending on the people, not really. Faking out Ser Karras results in Alain being raped, faking out the slavers results in them just enslaving other people. I wouldn't say either of those are good things. 

 

 

In the Act of Mercy quest and the quest with getting Feynriel from slavers. 

 

 

But that's not on Varric? How could he have known that? He does what he can to avoid blood shed. He's not a fortune teller. Are you seriously saying that Varric is a bad guy or does the wrong thing just because he doesn't know that Alain gets raped if you don't kill ser Karras? 

 

I see it as a good thing when a character want less violence and less death. Varric is all about that. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

But that's not on Varric? How could he have known that? He does what he can to avoid blood shed. He's not a fortune teller. Are you seriously saying that Varric is a bad guy or does the wrong thing just because he doesn't know that Alain gets raped if you don't kill ser Karras? 

 

I see it as a good thing when a character want less violence and less death. Varric is all about that. 

I was just saying you saying that everybody in that situation getting to live another day being a good thing was wrong. 

 

 

That's not really fair, it's not like he knew what that stuff would do...

Doesn't mean he still isn't partly responsible. The builders of the Titanic didn't know it would hit an iceburg, and yet are still responsible for the hull not being as strong as it was supposed to be. They did what they did for a profit, just like Varric, and are partly responsible for the results. 

[The Elder King]

Faking authority is a threat since it is implying "Mess with us and you will be punished". 
Depending on the people, not really. Faking out Ser Karras results in Alain being raped, faking out the slavers results in them just enslaving other people. I wouldn't say either of those are good things. 
 
 


In the Act of Mercy quest and the quest with getting Feynriel from slavers.

As far as I recall, he said Fenyerel was the son of the viscount, and that the latter will do anything to find him and the kidnapper. He didn't fake any Authority on Hakwe.

[The Elder King]

I was just saying you saying that everybody in that situation getting to live another day being a good thing was wrong. 
 
 


Doesn't mean he still isn't partly responsible. The builders of the Titanic didn't know it would hit an iceburg, and yet are still responsible for the hull not being as strong as it was supposed to be. They did what they did for a profit, just like Varric, and are partly responsible for the results.

To be Fair he does that becuase you Ask him to intervene. That's the only way he know to resolve issues peacefully.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

As far as I recall, he said Fenyerel was the son of the viscount, and that the latter will do anything to find him and the kidnapper. He didn't fake any Authority on Hakwe.

You are right. Still, he threatened via fake authority. 

 

 

To be Fair he does that becuase you Ask him to intervene. That's the only way he know to resolve issues peacefully.

He still did it. The fact that faking authority is the only way he can get out of problems peacefully is a problem. 

[Ynqve]

I was just saying you saying that everybody in that situation getting to live another day being a good thing was wrong. 

 

Honestly, unless you're walking around with a sign on your forehead saying "KILL ME OR I KILL EVERYONE TOMORROW!" I usually consider peaceful solutions to situations like that a good thing. I'm a firm believer in second chances. Obviously sometimes the result is the opposite of what you would want, but at least you gave them the chance to prove you wrong. I find killing everyone and everything just because they might be trouble later to be cowardly. Innocent until proven guilty you know.

[The Elder King]

You are right. Still, he threatened via fake authority. 
 
 

He still did it. The fact that faking authority is the only way he can get out of problems peacefully is a problem.

He's a liar. He never said he wasn't one, or that he was a diplomat.
Still, nobody's perfect.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Honestly, unless you're walking around with a sign on your forehead saying "KILL ME OR I KILL EVERYONE TOMORROW!" I usually consider peaceful solutions to situations like that a good thing. I'm a firm believer in second chances. Obviously sometimes the result is the opposite of what you would want, but at least you gave them the chance to prove you wrong. I find killing everyone and everything just because they might be trouble later to be cowardly. Innocent until proven guilty you know.

I'm sure the victims of those slavers appreciate that mindset while they toil away in a Tevinter farm somewhere. Those slavers were proven guilty. What, you thought they would see the errors of their ways and stop? 

[Who Knows]

The focus on just threatening is very besides the point. As has been already said, Cassandra did more than that.

[Milan92]

Eh, what exactly is the whole point of this discussion?

 

Wether Varric made a right choice or not?

[Ynqve]

I'm sure the victims of those slavers appreciate that mindset while they toil away in a Tevinter farm somewhere. Those slavers were proven guilty. What, you thought they would see the errors of their ways and stop? 

 

Just because they're bad guys doesn't mean I get to freely murder and kill them vigilante style. That's not how justice works. And what would you have Varric do? Murder everyone in sight? 

[Ajna]

I think it's about whether Varric's bitterness towards Cassandra is justified?

[Ajna]

Well it might have been...once, I'm not sure anymore...

[Milan92]

Just because they're bad guys doesn't mean I get to freely murder and kill them vigilante style. That's not how justice works. And what would you have Varric do? Murder everyone in sight? 

 

Batman disapproves -50.

[The Elder King]

I'm sure the victims of those slavers appreciate that mindset while they toil away in a Tevinter farm somewhere. Those slavers were proven guilty. What, you thought they would see the errors of their ways and stop?

Hawke is responsible too though. He/she has the option to kill them.
Varric doesn't think or care about the greater good.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Just because they're bad guys doesn't mean I get to freely murder and kill them vigilante style. That's not how justice works. And what would you have Varric do? Murder everyone in sight? 

Considering they had their weapons drawn, it is not murder. It was defense more than anything. Defense of yourself, defense of Feynriel, defense of future victims. 

And he has no qualms killing people if they are in his way. I point to the quests involving Bartrand and the house. He straight up threatens the woman who was in there. 

[Ynqve]

Batman disapproves -50.

 

Batman doesn't do murder. He just beat the **** out of them.

[CrimsonHead]

Considering they had their weapons drawn, it is not murder. It was defense more than anything. Defense of yourself, defense of Feynriel, defense of future victims. 

And he has no qualms killing people if they are in his way. I point to the quests involving Bartrand and the house. He straight up threatens the woman who was in there. 

 

If I recall correctly you can still murderknife the slaver, after Varric convinces him to let Feynriel go.

[AresKeith]

I think it's about whether Varric's bitterness towards Cassandra is justified?

 

Well I think it was justified 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Eh, what exactly is the whole point of this discussion?

 

Wether Varric made a right choice or not?

Varric not being the paragon of virtue people paint him as.  

 

 

If I recall correctly you can still murderknife the slaver, after Varric convinces him to let Feynriel go.

Nope, if you use Varric the slavers walk off.