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Varric the Storyteller: Keeping us company in the Keep


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Vivienne comes to mind... I was expecting with her what we got from Blackwall. Was totally played on that one, haha. xD

We get thrown for a loop with a lot of the characters. Cole comes to mind. Lots of people are creeped out by his mind invasion thing, but the thing is he is not human. He doesn't even understand the concept of privacy. He has a very black and white vision and he sometimes doesn't realize that his attempts to help actually cause harm (it's discussed in a banter with Cassandra). Varric tries his damndest to help him understand though.


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We get thrown for a loop with a lot of the characters. Cole comes to mind. Lots of people are creeped out by his mind invasion thing, but the thing is he is not human. He doesn't even understand the concept of privacy. He has a very black and white vision and he sometimes doesn't realize that his attempts to help actually cause harm (it's discussed in a banter with Cassandra). Varric tries his damndest to help him understand though.

 

I think that's why I prefer his human path. I understand why people are perturbed by what he does but I can't blame him for it... because it's pretty much his entire purpose. But now he's this physical being who stays in this world which works differently, so I do think the path that helps him to fit better into his new surroundings is best. For others and him as well. So I'm with Varric on that one. 



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If anything, I think it quite in character for Varric to pine for an illusion. He likes to escape in fantasy to avoid confronting reality and that would explain why he isn't wiling to let go of Bianca. She's inaccessible to him because of circumstances, but his idealized vision of hers gives him something steady and unchanging in a world gone mad. He likes it that way. It allows him to dream and hope. If Bianca suddenly became available to him, he would probably freak out because then he'd have to confront the reality of her flaws. It's safer for him that way.

 

I think he knows her very well and that he loves her for her qualities and her flaws. He's a writer so, of course imagination is important for him but I think that also makes him capable of a clear understanding of what people are in their nature. Also, he's the guy who thinks that too "nice" people are boring so I definitely thinks that Bianca is not a simple illusion for him.



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I find it funny how Solas, Varric and Blackwall take guardian roles when it comes to Cole.

Solas is the serious dad, Varric is the laidback dad and Blackwall is the cool uncle.
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I find it funny how Solas, Varric and Blackwall take guardian roles when it comes to Cole.

Solas is the serious dad, Varric is the laidback dad and Blackwall is the cool uncle.

 

Bull sorta acts like a guardian as well. "You may be a creepy kid, but you're my creepy kid." Also tries to get him laid...awkward.  :P Maybe he counts as the funny uncle. ahaha

 

I find it sweet how many people take a liking to Cole. 


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Bull sorta acts like a guardian as well. "You may be a creepy kid, but you're my creepy kid." Also tries to get him laid...awkward.  :P Maybe he counts as the funny uncle. ahaha

 

I find it sweet how many people take a liking to Cole. 

Cassandra is the stern mother. :D


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Cassandra is the stern mother. :D


Cass: What am I thinking now?

Cole: My hat won't fit up there.

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Cassandra is the stern mother. :D

 

I should have brought them together in my party more. I never really got to hear what they had to say to each other.. Although Cass/Cole/Bull were actually kind of common for me as a mage. Blamin' the banter problem that afflicted that file. xP



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Varric and Cole are one my favourite banter duos.

I can't help but think that Cole reminds him of Merrill a little bit why he's one of the few people with whom his banters don't have the same bitterness they do with some of the other characters.
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Varric and Cole are one my favourite banter duos.

I can't help but think that Cole reminds him of Merrill a little bit why he's one of the few people with whom his banters don't have the same bitterness they do with some of the other characters.


Cole: Could you talk to my shoelaces? They keep getting undone...

Varric: Haha just tie them, kid!


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I know this is random and off topic, but since so many of my favorite rogue fans post on here...

 

Anyone know where I find the prowler mail schematic?



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I know this is random and off topic, but since so many of my favorite rogue fans post on here...

Anyone know where I find the prowler mail schematic?


Prowler Mail, no.

But there's Prowler Armour schematics at a shop in the Hissing Wastes as well as Lurkers in the top left area of the map for raising crit damage and cunning.
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I know this is random and off topic, but since so many of my favorite rogue fans post on here...

 

Anyone know where I find the prowler mail schematic?

Here's a guide. I think prowler mail is a random drop.

 

http://dragonage3.wi....com/Schematics


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Happy Holidays everyone!!

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Happy Holidays everyone!!

I'm out of likes, so have a pair of dancing snowmen! Happy Holidays!

 

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Chernaya dear, don't use that argument. There are thoughtless, irresponsible people everywhere. Bianca being a 'bad' person doesn't mean she's a 'bad' character, It's entirely possible that Varric is blind to her flaws, as some people are. How many people stay in abusive relationships?

If anything, I think it quite in character for Varric to pine for an illusion. He likes to escape in fantasy to avoid confronting reality and that would explain why he isn't wiling to let go of Bianca. She's inaccessible to him because of circumstances, but his idealized vision of hers gives him something steady and unchanging in a world gone mad. He likes it that way. It allows him to dream and hope. If Bianca suddenly became available to him, he would probably freak out because then he'd have to confront the reality of her flaws. It's safer for him that way.

Yes, but one major thing that we all agreed on after we found out Varric would not be a LI is that we all wanted him to be happy. I did not get a sense of happiness at all from Varric during that mission. Nostalgia perhaps, a fondness, but happiness? Love? No. Not in my opinion.

And I felt like. Throughout the banter, Bianca felt like the cheerier person, bringing up old times and such. Varric can barely bring himself to say her husband's name, it's always replaced with "Whatshisname". Finally at the end, his line when he tells Bianca, " I knew it" it's clear that she keeps things from him often that only cause him grief. This is not the happiness I was hoping for. And I could agree with you that Varric wants to see the illusion, that it's in his character to make it up- which is true, and works for his character- but I felt in DAI that Varric has lots of owning up to reality moments, why couldn't this relationship be one of them?

And someone could easily dismiss my opinion with " oh, but you wanted to romance him! So you're making this up to justify your feelings " and, on a level, I could see that. But, I'd also like to think that I did prepare myself for this. Once he was of the table, I figured Bianca might show, so I mentally prepared myself for her and despite my opinion now I WANTED to like her. I wanted to get behind this with thumbs up. But when it comes to Bioware games, I legitimately feel that some of these characters feel like friends inside the game. I have real feelings for them that have made me cry and hope on there behalf. And when I saw Varric, one of my favorite characters and 'friends', in this relationship a red flag went up. No, this is unhealthy, this isn't good enough for him. Varric deserves so much better.

And I wish we could have said that. To which, Varric could have told me "f off this is none of your business" and I could respect that. But I couldn't do that in DAI. Nobody says anything about it. And this is where I agree with Cher a bit on the 'bad writing'. I think they dropped the ball a bit with this. This was not a happy relationship but it comes of as if they are selling it like one. And if Bioware's intention was to create this semi abusive relationship, then why does no one have the opportunity to say anything, even if it will change nothing? That would completely show me that Varric is fully aware in everything and that he had chosen this life for his own reasons. And perhaps they didn't feel the need to really show me that part of Varric but after two games and so much hype, this feels nothing like closure for one of my favorite characters.
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@basement cat I hope that didn't sound hostile at all. I swear I'm just half asleep in bed checking my phone and I'm like 'I have some thoughts' lol

In fact I like that there's someone here with a different opinion cuz I think it keeps anyone with the opposite opinion, like me, on their toes.

Its not even the opposite opinion, it's more like a perspective of a building only 3-5 feet to the left hahaha

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Yes, but one major thing that we all agreed on after we found out Varric would not be a LI is that we all wanted him to be happy. I did not get a sense of happiness at all from Varric during that mission. Nostalgia perhaps, a fondness, but happiness? Love? No. Not in my opinion.

And I felt like. Throughout the banter, Bianca felt like the cheerier person, bringing up old times and such. Varric can barely bring himself to say her husband's name, it's always replaced with "Whatshisname". Finally at the end, his line when he tells Bianca, " I knew it" it's clear that she keeps things from him often that only cause him grief. This is not the happiness I was hoping for. And I could agree with you that Varric wants to see the illusion, that it's in his character to make it up- which is true, and works for his character- but I felt in DAI that Varric has lots of owning up to reality moments, why couldn't this relationship be one of them?

And someone could easily dismiss my opinion with " oh, but you wanted to romance him! So you're making this up to justify your feelings " and, on a level, I could see that. But, I'd also like to think that I did prepare myself for this. Once he was of the table, I figured Bianca might show, so I mentally prepared myself for her and despite my opinion now I WANTED to like her. I wanted to get behind this with thumbs up. But when it comes to Bioware games, I legitimately feel that some of these characters feel like friends inside the game. I have real feelings for them that have made me cry and hope on there behalf. And when I saw Varric, one of my favorite characters and 'friends', in this relationship a red flag went up. No, this is unhealthy, this isn't good enough for him. Varric deserves so much better.

And I wish we could have said that. To which, Varric could have told me "f off this is none of your business" and I should respect that. But I couldn't do that in DAI. Nobody says anything about it. And this is where I agree with Cher a bit on the 'bad writing'. I think they dropped the ball a bit with this. This was not a happy relationship but it comes of as if they are selling it like one. And if Bioware's intention was to create this semi abusive relationship, then why does no one have the opportunity to say anything, even if it will change nothing? That would completely show me that Varric is fully aware in everything and that he had chosen this life for his own reasons. And perhaps they didn't feel the need to really show me that part of Varric but after two games and so much hype, this feels nothing like closure for one of my favorite characters.

My hope is that he'll be in 4 and part of his romance (to either the PC or someone like Dagna and Harding) is that someone will point this all out to him, the way it should have been done in DAI. 

 

I can dream. :wizard:


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@Bliss

Oh I know. I realize Varric is not happy like this, but I think he is afraid of moving on. It would have been nice to help him move on and become happier, but it doesn't seem to be part of Bioware's plan for now. My main point was that, while Bianca is not particularly pleasant, even toxic to some extent, I don't think she's badly written.

 

I find the whole 'you just wanted to romance him' argument silly. It's just a way for people to dismiss legitimate criticisms/concerns rather than make a properly constructed counter argument. When people resort to that one, consider it a victory. You've outplayed them. ;)


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@basement cat I hope that didn't sound hostile at all. I swear I'm just half asleep in bed checking my phone and I'm like 'I have some thoughts' lol

In fact I like that there's someone here with a different opinion cuz I think it keeps anyone with the opposite opinion, like me, on their toes.

Its not even the opposite opinion, it's more like a perspective of a building only 3-5 feet to the left hahaha

Don't worry. I understand getting defensive of one's favorite character. I just like to analyse things and consider new angles. Also the 'this character is badly written' thing might be a pet peeve of mine. :P


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My hope is that he'll be in 4 and part of his romance (to either the PC or someone like Dagna and Harding) is that someone will point this all out to him, the way it should have been done in DAI.

I can dream. :wizard:


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I was also thinking about who the returning LI/companions will be.  It's unlikely to be a LI from DAI, so unless Vivienne finishes grieving, it'll probably be Dagna or Harding.  Dagna, probably, because she has the most established lore, and seems to be establishing herself as a lore-generator.  Given what she says about her discoveries, if they're going to do a more Kal'Sharok/dwarven mysteries/return to darkspawn angle, she'd be ideal.


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@basement cat, I get that. I still think she takes a few steps into the Mary Sue category and that makes me peeved because I can see she could have been great! She didn't even need to be the one 'twu wuv' that we were hoping she'd be. Their relationship could have still been just as unhealthy as it is but the conversations could have been less " oh she's even a better shot then Varric!" But yes! she could have been good! And still semi abusive! Lots of abusive partners can appear to be decent people to everyone else!

But yeah, cool! Glad you know I wasn't attacking! <3 Is hate for their to be bad blood on our lovely thread u_u

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I was also thinking about who the returning LI/companions will be. It's unlikely to be a LI from DAI, so unless Vivienne finishes grieving, it'll probably be Dagna or Harding. Dagna, probably, because she has the most established lore, and seems to be establishing herself as a lore-generator. Given what she says about her discoveries, if they're going to do a more Kal'Sharok/dwarven mysteries/return to darkspawn angle, she'd be ideal.


KREM! pleeeease I need some crème de la crème next game ;-;

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@basement cat, I get that. I still think she takes a few steps into the Mary Sue category and that makes me peeved because I can see she could have been great! She didn't even need to be the one 'twu wuv' that we were hoping she'd be. Their relationship could have still been just as unhealthy as it is but the conversations could have been less " oh she's even a better shot then Varric!" But yes! she could have been good! And still semi abusive! Lots of abusive partners can appear to be decent people to everyone else!

But yeah, cool! Glad you know I wasn't attacking! <3 Is hate for their to be bad blood on our lovely thread u_u

Hey, maybe we'll get an extensive companion story DLC... I hope so. A bunch of stuff that unlocks after the main quest....


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