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Varric the Storyteller: Keeping us company in the Keep


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I just want to know why Varric is a lying JERK? He's absolutely a liar but with malicious intent? Nope. I want to know why he's a jerk with out some head canon but rather what was presented, if someone could enlighten me

 

Some people just can't handle the chest hair. Too much awesome can be bad for you, or so I've been told. And hi Jewlie! :) 

 

(seriously though, it's probably because Cassandra got hurt by the fact that he didn't trust her with Hawke's location)



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Jewlie Ghoulie

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You won't get a reason why he's a jerk, because there isn't one to give. ;) :D

You're probably right. It that's the case, it's just a case of being a hater or a serious case of head canon which has clouded the vision. It happens.

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Simple answer, he's not a jerk unless you really, really want him to be. Or you're a huge Cass fan and take their drama personally. I'm a big Cass fan and I don't at all, though. People don't always get along sometimes. Otherwise... I can't see any other hoops to jump through to try to justify calling him one. Every party member has the potential to be somewhat of a jerk, and having someone who's always nice is stretching into mary-sue territory so I'll take my hardened-by-life, perhaps a tad harsher DAI Varric with open arms because he's still one of the nicest in the group. :P


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Ugh why am I always out of likes!? Maybe I should put the like to rest sometimes.  :P . My friends loves the chest hair and Varric! 


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I dunno, he does tell you he loves you if you press him in ME3. 

 

yeah, if you press him. but really it's possible to still have feelings for someone even when you move on. I mean, shep will always be an important person to Jacob, there's no avoiding that. I'm just saying, it's not a surprise that he moves on- he didn't want anything serious.



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Still should have told Shepard at the very least instead of doing the 'maybe if I never contact her again she'll forget about everything like a goldfish would' method of dealing with it. At least thats the vibe I got from what I've watched and read about it could never make myself experience that for myself.

 

 

Varric picture to make this a semi on topic post in the looses sense possible.

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EDIT: and me calling him a liar isn't an insult as you know I adore him. It's just fact , he lies a ton and is a secretive person just in case my fellow Varricmancers believe it's an insult :P

Yes, but he only tells the good, amusing kind of lies. That doesn't make him a liar, just a...fanciful storyteller. :P ;)

 

Simple answer, he's not a jerk unless you really, really want him to be. Or you're a huge Cass fan and take their drama personally. I'm a big Cass fan and I don't at all, though. People don't always get along sometimes. Otherwise... I can't see any other hoops to jump through to try to justify calling him one. Every party member has the potential to be somewhat of a jerk, and having someone who's always nice is stretching into mary-sue territory so I'll take my hardened-by-life, perhaps a tad harsher DAI Varric with open arms because he's still one of the nicest in the group. :P

Yeah, I love both Cass and Varric and the whole dynamic they got going, especially because, while they are quite different from each other in a lot of ways, there are still some key things they have in common and would hate to admit that they do (the whole putting others needs before theirs, fighting to save the world and do the right thing whether they like it or not, sometimes being too hard on themselves, etc.). I just got the impression that had they met under...more pleasant circumstances, Varric and Cassandra might actually have been good friends. I have trouble imagining that there are Cass fans who hate Varric for that reason only, but maybe that is just because it is different for me since I wasn't interested in her pre-release but was already a big Varric fan.


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Picture time!!!

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Yes, but he only tells the good, amusing kind of lies. That doesn't make him a liar, just a...fanciful storyteller. :P ;)

 

Yeah, I love both Cass and Varric and the whole dynamic they got going, especially because, while they are quite different from each other in a lot of ways, there are still some key things they have in common and would hate to admit that they do (the whole putting others needs before theirs, fighting to save the world and do the right thing whether they like it or not, sometimes being too hard on themselves, etc.). I just got the impression that had they met under...more pleasant circumstances, Varric and Cassandra might actually have been good friends. I have trouble imagining that there are Cass fans who hate Varric for that reason only, but maybe that is just because it is different for me since I wasn't interested in her pre-release but was already a big Varric fan.

 

Yeah, and really despite the anger and tension they sometimes have with each other, they aren't like sworn enemies or anything. Cassandra can be harsh because that's her job and her life, but to be fair the matter she pressed him with, including threats and violence, I don't blame him for how he reacted. Some stranger kidnapping him and suddenly asking him all these questions about someone he cares about, all while making it sound like they are a target and a bad person - he was protecting his friend. And on Cassandra's side, she was desperate to try to fix everything and this way was how she knew to get things done because that's what she's always done. Both of them had legit reasons to act the way they did and you can put blame on them both equally for perhaps not going about it the right way, but their intentions were in the right place. 


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Yeah, and really despite the anger and tension they sometimes have with each other, they aren't like sworn enemies or anything. Cassandra can be harsh because that's her job and her life, but to be fair the matter she pressed him with, including threats and violence, I don't blame him for how he reacted. Some stranger kidnapping him and suddenly asking him all these questions about someone he cares about, all while making it sound like they are a target and a bad person - he was protecting his friend. And on Cassandra's side, she was desperate to try to fix everything and this way was how she knew to get things done because that's what she's always done. Both of them had legit reasons to act the way they did and you can put blame on them both equally for perhaps not going about it the right way, but their intentions were in the right place. 

Yeah, they both had good reason to do what they did but naturally they are going to start off on the wrong foot with each other because of that.

 

They have some hilarious dialogues and banters together:

Cassandra: Have you heard from any of your Kirkwall associates Varric?

Varric: You're asking me? So you don't read my letters?

Cassandra: You're no longer my prisoner. Much as you like to act like it.

Varric: Yet I still get all the suspicion.

Cassandra: I am not without sympathy. Especially given recent events.

Varric: Why Seeker I will never accuse you of having sympathy! By the way I tend to refer to my "associates" as friends. Maybe you're not familiar with the concept.

Cassandra: (sigh)

 

Varric: Think you'll ever go back to Nevarra, Seeker?

Cassandra: Why? Are you eager to see me go?

Varric: I wasn't, actually. But, now that you mentioned it...

Cassandra: How do you know I wouldn't just drag you along?

Varric: Be still my heart. I've grown on you.

Cassandra: Like fungus.

 

Most of the time they honestly seem to be more teasing each other than seriously angry with each other. It is pretty tame compared to some of the banter between the DA2 companions.


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In the end of the game, I kind of expected more from Varric. They just kind of underestimated him, the story writers. Of course he stated that he would write a book, we knew that, it was quite obvious. Then he says he might go help Kirkwall and stuff, and... THAT IS it. So, I am kind of sad. I wanted more Varric, more jokes, more Bianca even. As a whole the party in the end was much less that it should be.



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Why, yes, Inquisitor.... you shall  go to the ball.  At long flippin' last.

 

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It's about time that made a return.



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All of Varric's tarot cards, courtesy of Delsin-R0we

 

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Why, yes, Inquisitor.... you shall  go to the ball.  At long flippin' last.

 

So, I did indeed go to the ball and save something resembling a day.  I have questions, though, about some of the stuff:

 

Spoiler

 

The deranged completionist in me is tempted to try it all again.... or at least the end parts.



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The deranged completionist in me is tempted to try it all again.... or at least the end parts.

 

That being said... a quick glimpse at a guide reveals the whole thing is about ten times more complicated than I could possibly have imagined, with multiple layers of interaction between numerous possible goals and endings and the stuff you can find.  Sometimes it's best not to know...



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So, I did indeed go to the ball and save something resembling a day.  I have questions, though, about some of the stuff:

 

Spoiler

 

The deranged completionist in me is tempted to try it all again.... or at least the end parts.

 

Spoiler

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So, I did indeed go to the ball and save something resembling a day.  I have questions, though, about some of the stuff:
 

Spoiler

 
The deranged completionist in me is tempted to try it all again.... or at least the end parts.


To find ALL the stuff in that quest, it's actually best to use a guide. The coins and secrets kind of "update" each time you finish a portion of the quest. So after you finish part 1 it's possible there will be coins and secrets will be in places you already looked. You need to recheck every time you finish a sub quest.

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I think I might pick it up again just after speaking with Morrigan ( <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 ) for the first time.  Or redo from the beginning.  Or do nothing at all.  We'll see how I'm feeling about it tomorrow.



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For the benefit of any Rogue players out there (or to enhance Varric's dragon slaying prowess), I dug up this old post I made on the Sera thread:
 

In today's installment of random Dragon Age findings: in order is find the recipe for Mighty Offense Tonic you first have to find the hut in Apostate's Landing on your Storm Coast.

Afterwards try opening the door inside and then head toward you next campsite upon which you may be accosted by a random enemy called Rebel Mage.

Kill him and you should get a key which opens up the locked room in Apostate's Landing.



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I apologize in advance if this is unwelcome, but someone posted a totally awesome drawing of Varric in another thread. It's in the middle of the page. I just thought Varric fans might enjoy it-it's one of the best drawings I've seen of him IMHO. You don't have to like the ship to like the drawing-Varric gets his own panel. I just think this artist deserves a little more attention:

http://forum.bioware...a-thread/page-6
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I apologize in advance if this is unwelcome, but someone posted a totally awesome drawing of Varric in another thread. It's in the middle of the page. I just thought Varric fans might enjoy it-it's one of the best drawings I've seen of him IMHO. You don't have to like the ship to like the drawing-Varric gets his own panel. I just think this artist deserves a little more attention:

http://forum.bioware...a-thread/page-6

 

I's totally awesome.I ship it :D

 

And never ever feel bad for posting fan art, we love it :)


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At about 2:23:40, Varric mentions Hawke's LI.

The only one that matters is around 2:24:05 :whistle:


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I's totally awesome.I ship it :D

 

And never ever feel bad for posting fan art, we love it :)

 

Definitely!  Especially when they're that good ^_^


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I think I might pick it up again just after speaking with Morrigan ( <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 ) for the first time.  Or redo from the beginning.  Or do nothing at all.  We'll see how I'm feeling about it tomorrow.

 

So.  I opted to restart and to properly "cheat" for the first time with this game.  In this case, that means having a map showing where stuff is on my tablet for reference.

 

....At which point my tablet ran out of power. :angry:  So now I'm waiting for it to charge up a bit.



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So, yes.  Finished it again!  With what I would consider a definitely better result.  Couldn't get everyone what they might have wanted but you can't have everything.  I am content with this outcome.

 

(I was massively over-levelled for it though - the poor bastards didn't know who they were messing with!)

 

I also just wanted to add....

 

Spoiler

 

:wub:


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