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[blissfulbhajan]

Well, perhaps I have missed some explanations in game but my interprétation is that she accepted to be married to another guy only because she wanted to protect Varric from the wrath of her family. I suppose that when you do something like that, the sensible thing to do is not to run complaining to your former lover about it but pretend that everything is fine or else he will feel guilty or worse, try something stupid in order to save you. So IMO she never stopped loving Varric but she can't be completely honnest with him about the reasons why she walked away from their relationship.

Varric says that he "heard the wedding was lovely, the one she showed up to anyway." He and Bianca were going to get married but she left him at the altar.

I'm not saying she ever stopped loving him, but she chose not to be with him legitematley. This choice that she made seems only to make both of them miserable. Varric can't even bring himself to say her husband's name, instead calling him "what's his name".

So both of them are unhappy and hanging onto something that will never be, based on her choices. This is not healthy in my opinion. Which is why I say I hope Varric decides he deserves to be happy and move on. He can choose not to do that, he's a grown man, he knows exactly what he's in.

It's not a question if Varric will ever marry Bianca. The question is if Bianca will ever marry Varric. Based on what we saw we know that Bianca's an accomplished smith, she's a great shot, she's very intelligent, she's witty and pretty and wants to make everything as neat as possible. That is why she goes through all that extra effort to fix the red lyrium leak, she personally needs to fix this. Being married Varric is too messy for Bianca, and she could totally have valid reasons for not wanting mess. I will not judge her for that. She also chooses not to marry the man she loves but will not (perhaps even cannot) let him go. And she will not marry him.

I doubt they'll ever get married, and it's a messy story. But it's a good story, Varric would be proud. Varric even says he can't write romance, because they always end in tragedy. That's probably because he's experiencing one.

[blissfulbhajan]

But at what cost? I can't make awesome dragon gear for my whole team any more

I'd like to say I'm sorry for your loss but I can't be sorry when I'm so happy for Bayram!!!

[HuldraDancer]

I'd like to say I'm sorry for your loss but I can't be sorry when I'm so happy for Bayram!!!

 

Tis quite alright I can understand your joy. Plus I'm petty enough to uninstall the patch until I get the gear I want then re-install everything, I just need my dragon gear I need it. I'm like a kid with a soda addiction I just cant' stop

[MWImexico]

Varric says that he "heard the wedding was lovely, the one she showed up to anyway." He and Bianca were going to get married but she left him at the altar.
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Well, this is strange. Why would she agree to marry Varric then suddenly change her mind? I think there's something we don't know yet, because I don't understand why - since they both seem to love each others - why did she marry someone else? Because Varric is too messy? Actually she gave me the impression that, in comparaison, she seems to like more the messy situations and danger than Varric, she's bold and she acts, that's the reason why they where arguing when her mistake about the red lirium was discovered. Also, during my playthrough she said she did start the research on the red lyrium to help Bartrant and so, indirectly, Varric.

[blissfulbhajan]

Women can and have "suddenly changed their minds" on who they marry. Men get left at the altar all the time.

I think she left Varric to protect him, the best way she knew how. I'm not saying she doesn't care or want to help Varric, I'm saying that being with Varric, legitimately (ie marrying him) would have ended in disaster and she knows it. Bianca is a woman who will take risks but risk Varric's life? Directly? She won't do it even if Varric is all in.

Bianca made her choice and didn't marry Varric. I dont think she will go back on that. But they also both made a choice and continued to see each other and this long distance affair has weighed heavily on them both. And Varric is feeling those effects.

[Ynqve]

Yeah, from what we've seen Bianca's the one in the better situation. She's got her family by her side, the Carta and guild loves her because she's the best smith ever, she likes her husband and she's got Varric when she wants him. She might be miserable, but it didn't seem like it to me. 

 

Varric's life is a mess. His family is either dead or insane, Hawke's somewhere else trying to be a hero or left in the Fade, and he's stuck with the Inquisition trying to fix Hawke and Anders' mess. And he's almost consumed by guilt and bitterness over everything that's happened. Being left by the altar by the woman he loves is just one of all the shitty things he's been through. 

[HuldraDancer]

Ahh uninstalling the patch didn't work now I'm not allowed to play at all unless I redownload the thing   I think I need to take a DAI break until my blood stops boiling and the tears stop flowing but mostly the blood boiling part.

[Pevesh]

Varric says that he "heard the wedding was lovely, the one she showed up to anyway." He and Bianca were going to get married but she left him at the altar.

I'm not saying she ever stopped loving him, but she chose not to be with him legitematley. This choice that she made seems only to make both of them miserable. Varric can't even bring himself to say her husband's name, instead calling him "what's his name".

So both of them are unhappy and hanging onto something that will never be, based on her choices. This is not healthy in my opinion. Which is why I say I hope Varric decides he deserves to be happy and move on. He can choose not to do that, he's a grown man, he knows exactly what he's in.

It's not a question if Varric will ever marry Bianca. The question is if Bianca will ever marry Varric. Based on what we saw we know that Bianca's an accomplished smith, she's a great shot, she's very intelligent, she's witty and pretty and wants to make everything as neat as possible. That is why she goes through all that extra effort to fix the red lyrium leak, she personally needs to fix this. Being married Varric is too messy for Bianca, and she could totally have valid reasons for not wanting mess. I will not judge her for that. She also chooses not to marry the man she loves but will not (perhaps even cannot) let him go. And she will not marry him.

I doubt they'll ever get married, and it's a messy story. But it's a good story, Varric would be proud. Varric even says he can't write romance, because they always end in tragedy. That's probably because he's experiencing one.

If I ever wrote romances, I'd have the opposite problem as Varric: they'd all be very sappy and end happily. Which is why I shouldn't write romances. And why I love Josephine's romance.

 

Honestly, I hate saying this, but after meeting Bianca, my feelings about there being no Varric romance were maybe that it was a good thing. I feel like Varric might not know how to have a healthy relationship, after seeing how he and Bianca act together. If Varric and the Inquisitor got together there would probably be plenty of drama (and Bianca would inevitably show up, I fear...). In the end, I'd much rather have an awesome, drama-free friendship with Varric than a messy, toxic romance with him...Maybe that is what the devs meant when they said prior to release that we would see why Varric wasn't romanceable, not that he would have this happy, lovey-dovey conclusion to his relationship with Bianca, but more of a "be careful what you wish for" sort of thing.

 

Well, this is strange. Why would she agree to marry Varric then suddenly change her mind? I think there's something we don't know yet, because I don't understand why - since they both seem to love each others - why did she marry someone else? Because Varric is too messy? Actually she gave me the impression that, in comparaison, she seems to like more the messy situations and danger than Varric, she's bold and she acts, that's the reason why they where arguing when her mistake about the red lirium was discovered. Also, during my playthrough she said she did start the research on the red lyrium to help Bartrant and so, indirectly, Varric.

Some people get cold feet. I also do get the impression Bianca prefers the idea of being with him to the actual reality of being with him and was perhaps never really interested in committing to him. That or maybe her family found out and prevented her from going? Who knows.

 

Oh, by the way, I've gotten around to starting my second playthrough. This is my elf mage, Vanethel Lavellan, who is going to be romancing Dorian.

Spoiler

He turned out pretty good-looking if I do say so myself.

This look on his face says, "Well, that will be easy."

 

 

I swear I'll get around to my dwarf playthrough sometime...

[blissfulbhajan]

Ahh uninstalling the patch didn't work now I'm not allowed to play at all unless I redownload the thing I think I need to take a DAI break until my blood stops boiling and the tears stop flowing but mostly the blood boiling part.

Aww sorry

[blissfulbhajan]

If I ever wrote romances, I'd have the opposite problem as Varric: they'd all be very sappy and end happily. Which is why I shouldn't write romances. And why I love Josephine's romance.

Honestly, I hate saying this, but after meeting Bianca, my feelings about there being no Varric romance were maybe that it was a good thing. I feel like Varric might not know how to have a healthy relationship, after seeing how he and Bianca act together. If Varric and the Inquisitor got together there would probably be plenty of drama (and Bianca would inevitably show up, I fear...). In the end, I'd much rather have an awesome, drama-free friendship with Varric than a messy, toxic romance with him...Maybe that is what the devs meant when they said prior to release that we would see why Varric wasn't romanceable, not that he would have this happy, lovey-dovey conclusion to his relationship with Bianca, but more of a "be careful what you wish for" sort of thing.

Some people get cold feet. I also do get the impression Bianca prefers the idea of being with him to the actual reality of being with him and was perhaps never really interested in committing to him. That or maybe her family found out and prevented her from going? Who knows.

Oh, by the way, I've gotten around to starting my second playthrough. This is my elf mage, Vanethel Lavellan, who is going to be romancing Dorian.

A lovely elf dear I look forward to your dwarf!!

But yeah, I honestly agree with you. If this is what they intended for Varric all the long, he probably wouldn't have been in the best state of mind for a new relationship and then Bianca would show up and oi....

[blissfulbhajan]

Yeah, from what we've seen Bianca's the one in the better situation. She's got her family by her side, the Carta and guild loves her because she's the best smith ever, she likes her husband and she's got Varric when she wants him. She might be miserable, but it didn't seem like it to me.

Varric's life is a mess. His family is either dead or insane, Hawke's somewhere else trying to be a hero or left in the Fade, and he's stuck with the Inquisition trying to fix Hawke and Anders' mess. And he's almost consumed by guilt and bitterness over everything that's happened. Being left by the altar by the woman he loves is just one of all the shitty things he's been through.

Agreed, perhaps Bianca isn't 'miserable', not in the same sense that Varric is. And yet, I don't think she regrets her decision not to marry him either. It might be harsh but ' why but the cow when you get the milk for free' comes to mind... :/

My point is, she made her decision and I don't think she's going back on it. On some level she's sad about it in sure but not nearly as much as Varric

[MWImexico]

Well, usually when people change their minds they have a reason. What bothers me is that she doesn't seem to have a problem with commitment since she married someone else. But who knows what happened between those two? If I remember well, there is a moment in game where Varric says that he gave the emplacement of the Thaig to Bianca because he owed her. Maybe it's him who has betrayed her in the past and not the contrary? To remove any possible misunderstanding, I really like Varric, Bianca not that much, but something is telling me that there is something we don't know yet about their shared past. Also, perhaps that "what the devs meant when they said prior to release that we would see why Varric wasn't romanceable" is simply that we can see now how much Varric is still in love with Bianca? I hope we'll get to learn more about them in the futur, perhaps thanks to a side story who would take place in the carta? I wonder if she's truly happy now or if she's faking it? Depending of the answer, I would like that my inquisitor could at least be able to advise Varric about the situation, as a friend.

[Duelist]

Ignore.

[Duelist]

Hi everyone, I'm trying the whole writing thing again and was looking for people's thoughts.

This is a little something based on a picture I posted a few pages back of Isabela crying and Varric comforting her.
It's in first person BTW.

Spoiler

The second I mentioned Hawke's name, Isabela shifted; any joy she had from seeing me for the first time in a long time, gone. She looked serious. Like she knew what was coming.
And I hadn't even mentioned Hawke's fate yet.

This was always going to be hard but...s***. I should have sent a damn letter but no...no, I...I think Isabela deserves to hear it from me in person. Maybe having someone to punch might make it easier for her.

Thoughts?

[rda]

The whole "Bianca married someone else to protect Varric" doesn't hold any water with me. If Bianca really wanted to marry Varric, she could have. Thedas is a pretty big place, and a brilliant smith would be welcome anywhere. They could've run off together to wherever, beyond the reach of her parents.

Secondly, if she married other dude to protect Varric, why meet with him and presumably conduct an affair with him? Like nobody is going to have a problem with that....

[MWImexico]

There's a difference between sporadic secret meetings and definitively run away with someone. Because if you are lucky, in the first scenario, nobody will notice your absence. Also, even if Bianca's family knows about their secret meetings, they might close their eyes because they might think that she's simply using him and that he's the one who is taken advantage of, so as far as Bianca still seem under control and obedient, they might think that this "secret fling" is harmless.

[blissfulbhajan]

Well, usually when people change their minds they have a reason. What bothers me is that she doesn't seem to have a problem with commitment since she married someone else. But who knows what happened between those two? If I remember well, there is a moment in game where Varric says that he gave the emplacement of the Thaig to Bianca because he owed her. Maybe it's him who has betrayed her in the past and not the contrary? To remove any possible misunderstanding, I really like Varric, Bianca not that much, but something is telling me that there is something we don't know yet about their shared past. Also, perhaps that "what the devs meant when they said prior to release that we would see why Varric wasn't romanceable" is simply that we can see now how much Varric is still in love with Bianca? I hope we'll get to learn more about them in the futur, perhaps thanks to a side story who would take place in the carta? I wonder if she's truly happy now or if she's faking it? Depending of the answer, I would like that my inquisitor could at least be able to advise Varric about the situation, as a friend.

I've been saying this for a while now. I wish we could have told Varric that this relationship isn't healthy- to which he could tell me to f off because it's none of my business and I'd respect that. But the fact that no one says anything about it at all bothers me some.

I mean the Inquisitor takes it upon him/herself to go forth and find someone's prized ram but Maker forbid s/he say something to a friend about how they deserve better.

Like I said, I do this Bianca had a reason. I think she was trying to protect Varric or just changed her mind. I would like to think she did it to protect him because that makes me like her more. If she just changed her mind and married another man because she felt like it yet still insists on having an affair with Varric I'm gonna be angry (probably not the only one here who would be).

Did Varric tell her where the Thaig was because he owed her? If I remember right, he just told her in one of his letters? Idk but there is definitely more to the story and I'm honestly not sure I want to hear it. Bianca broke Varric's heart and Varric, for Maker knows why, still hangs on to her.

One thing everyone in the Varric thread agreed on after we found out Varric wasn't a LI was that we all just wanted him to be happy. And it turned out, Varric is definitely not happy. This upsets me, he deserves better with someone who cherishes him like he should be.

[MWImexico]

Did Varric tell her where the Thaig was because he owed her? If I remember right, he just told her in one of his letters? Idk but there is definitely more to the story and I'm honestly not sure I want to hear it. Bianca broke Varric's heart and Varric, for Maker knows why, still hangs on to her.
 

 

He speaks about it in this dialogue (1:52) :

https://www.youtube....h?v=ThacCXaYOkQ

 

But if I remember well, during his personal quest in Valamar (not sure about the spelling), he mention again that he owed her.

[blissfulbhajan]

Cool. Well, alright he owed her the location to a very dangerous place for some reason. I'm not saying you're wrong when you way there's more to the story, we know so little. I'm just saying based on what I've seen, I don't care to know the rest.

Like when you pick up an interesting looking book and read the first few pages and decide it isn't worth your time? That's how I feel about Bianca at this point. Her most interesting feature is that Varric cares for her and I can't help but see that in a sad light

[MWImexico]

Actually, I have understood your point of view but if the inquisitor doesn't know what truly happened in their past, if (s)he tells to Varric to stop his relationship with Bianca, at "best" Varric will agree and decide to leave his mistress. The problem with this scenario is that it's like giving up on the possibility that one day they could have been brought together in a less painful way for them both, like by solving the problem they stated with Bianca's family a long time ago?

[Ynqve]

I think Varric and Bianca's relationship is a lost cause. She's married to someone else and not even the end of the world could bring them together romantically. Just cut ties and move on already. It may hurt like hell but it's probably for the best.

[wistful81]

I think Varric and Bianca's relationship is a lost cause. She's married to someone else and not even the end of the world could bring them together romantically. Just cut ties and move on already. It may hurt like hell but it's probably for the best.

I agree. I don't think Bianca would want to leave her husband and comfortable life. Why should she, when Varric has made it painfully easy for her (as the saying goes) to have her cake and to eat it too. He has made no demands that she leave her husband or he walks away. Instead, he comes off as a dog under the table, happily lapping up any scraps or crumbs she happens to throw at him and honestly that just makes me sad.

[SmilesJA]

I think Varric and Bianca's relationship is a lost cause. She's married to someone else and not even the end of the world could bring them together romantically. Just cut ties and move on already. It may hurt like hell but it's probably for the best.

 

Yeah let the player character romance Varric!

[MWImexico]

Yeah let the player character romance Varric!

 

Honestly, I would have loved that possibility but now IMO this is the lost cause, I mean, I don't think they will allow our inquisitor to start a new relationship with Varric in a future DLC?

[Qun00]

I haven't played DA2, so I must ask.

Varric seems to care a great deal about Hawke in DA:I, so I can't help wondering if the previous game actually shows them developing such a deep bond.