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If the Blight wasn't stopped when it was stopped, so what? Which warden would have the most at stake on a personal level to where they'd want to stop it? Particularly in the time period of the game?

 

Here's my take:

 

I honestly don't see the dwarven wardens caring much about Ferelden or even the surface world. If anything, I'm surprised that they wouldn't just bail and leave after Ostagar without anyone to stop them from deserting. Granted, Orzammar would be at risk and they have at least one family member still alive over there, but darkspawn encroachment has been a problem for dwarves with or without a blight. If anything, a Blight on the surface would be a welcome break for the dwarves, so why would a dwarf warden want to send the darkspawn back to the doorsteps of their people (assuming that they care about their people)?

 

Dalish wardens are more duty-bound than anything else, considering that dalish consider being a warden to be an honor. However, Mahariel's clan will have long abandoned Ferelden by now and gone across the sea to the Free Marches before the darkspawn ever make it north. There may be one or two clans in Ferelden, but what attachment does the warden have to them apart from just being dalish? Also, dalish clans tend to look after themselves anyway for the most part.

 

Mage wardens could care a little more with the Circle tower being stranded in the middle of a lake in the middle of Ferelden. But apart from that, I'd see them as a wildcard considering just how isolated from general society that mages are on multiple levels.

 

The City elf warden has a little more on the line with their home and family being in Denerem. Maybe they hate humans or not, but if Ferelden falls, then every elf in an alienage is going to fall right along with it.

 

Human noble wardens seem to have the most at stake considering that the plot hits closer to home for them. Their country is the one hit with civil war, it's their country that's being invaded by darkspawn and it's his people who are being killed, eaten or worst.

 

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City Elf and HN.

 

I'd say City Elf is more personal though. Not political or patriotic. It's one of the only origins where a lot of your family is still around. And no one else can save them but you. And you're kind of stuck worrying about why the Alienage is locked the whole game. It's not a good time to bail.



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But as no community can live in a bubble, all would be eventually affected by the blight. I agree that CE and the HN would be immediately affected, but the others would be each affected in turn. For example the Mage Tower depends on the outside world for all essentials especially untainted food (perhaps the blight would infect even stored foodstuffs?) Dalish clans who depend on the land would encounter problems with their migration routes blocked or at least compromised. Dwaven society appears at least in part dependent on surface trade and it's loss would at least cost them their prosperity, if not a impact on their ability to maintain effective defences (nothing like a lack of food).
Dark spawn feed on and procreate from all these communities - no one in the end would be spared...

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If the Blight wasn't stopped when it was stopped, so what? Which warden would have the most at stake on a personal level to where they'd want to stop it? Particularly in the time period of the game?

 

Here's my take:

 

I honestly don't see the dwarven wardens caring much about Ferelden or even the surface world. If anything, I'm surprised that they wouldn't just bail and leave after Ostagar without anyone to stop them from deserting. Granted, Orzammar would be at risk and they have at least one family member still alive over there, but darkspawn encroachment has been a problem for dwarves with or without a blight. If anything, a Blight on the surface would be a welcome break for the dwarves, so why would a dwarf warden want to send the darkspawn back to the doorsteps of their people (assuming that they care about their people)?

 

Maybe a short-sighted moron would see it that way, but those with an ounce of forethought would realize that once the world falls, the darkspawn will turn back to them. The Blight is meant to wipe out all life on the planet, not just those in certain areas. Plus, darkspawn become much more cunning, organized, and rapidly expand during a Blight. In bluntest terms, the longer it goes on, the larger and stronger the hoard becomes. Why leave the horde to get stronger since the country they're expanding in is too busy fighting each other to pay any attention to it, risk it getting out of hand before putting it down?

 

In fact, the same goes for the Mages and Dalish. "Oh, I have no love for the Circle or the non-mages that put us there / my people have moved out of this country, so I can just get out of dodge and those I'm personally close to are safe." No they're not. The Blight goes after everyone, not just those in certain areas.

 

Not to mention that once the surface falls, all the trade, food, and goods that Orzammar relies on will go with it. Despite what the deyshers want to believe, Orzammar is not self-sufficient enough to go without the food, drink, and goods they have come to depend on. One little city-kingdom in a dark cave surrounded by darkspawn taint cannot sustain the population within. Even without the darkspawn showing up at Orzammar's doors in far greater numbers to flood them like a tsunami to an anthill, they'll be hurting pretty hard pretty fast without any surface trade practically overnight.

 

The City elf warden has a little more on the line with their home and family being in Denerem. Maybe they hate humans or not, but if Ferelden falls, then every elf in an alienage is going to fall right along with it.

 

I personally think City Elf Wardens have the most personally at stake. Denerim is their home, Ferelden their homeland, and city elves look upon the entire alienage as their family, not just their immediate nuclear relatives. Not to mention there are other elves out there besides just in Denerim. City elves have been largely socialized to look after each other ("We elves have to stick together"), so City Elf Wardens also have motivation to protect their people all over Denerim.

 

Human noble wardens seem to have the most at stake considering that the plot hits closer to home for them. Their country is the one hit with civil war, it's their country that's being invaded by darkspawn and it's his people who are being killed, eaten or worst.

 

How does the plot hinge closer to home for them than the others? They're not the only citizens of Ferelden; the city elf and mages are too. They're also not the only ones with countrymen and women threatened by the Blight. Not just other humans, but other city elves are threatened for CE Wardens, other Dalish elves for Dalish Wardens, other mages for Mage Wardens, and of course surface dwarves and Orzammar for Dwarven Wardens. In fact, when it's a human noble, how come everyone under the Ferelden sun regardless of race and magical ability is "their people" to feel concerned over, but if it's an elf, mage or dwarf, it must only be people who look and think and grew up right beside them?

 

In fact, in terms of having something personal at stake, I think the Human Noble has one of the least. Their entire family was wiped out, so it's not like they have many personal loved ones to look after. Their entire motivation in the game is killing the bastard that killed their family, which they do, then reclaiming the land, titles, and wealth their society says they're entitled to just for being born. Apart from getting the privileges and personal possessions back, what does a human noble personally have at stake that others don't?

 

I guess if they enter into an arranged marriage with Anora or Alistair, it becomes about protecting the country so they can rule it afterwards.



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oopsy, wrong thread. sorry :)



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I don't think one origin outweighs the other in 'what's at stake'.  It may be argued that this origin lost all their family, or that origin's people have left the country, but it boils down to what your individual warden believes.  Those wardens with a social conscience would be concerned about the advancement of the Blight, the loss of lives.  It wouldn't matter if you know who's dying or if they are strangers.  The darkspawn are anathema to all life, and eventually all parts of Ferelden would be overrun, and left unchecked, the spawn will turn their attentions to the rest of the continent.

 

This question is subjective.  Everyone will point out that their favorite origin has so much more reason to fight than this or that one, but it boils down to 'what is your warden like'?  Is he essentially a good, forthright person fighting the Blight for altruistic (if practical) reasons?  Or is he a conscience-less jerk who doesn't give a rat's butt about anyone but himself?

 

Therein lies your answer.

 

But to answer your question as best I can, for me, my "canon" elf mage and my favorite Cousland felt the Blight the keenest and sought to rid the land of it, since they felt the most protective of the people of Ferelden, but others may feel differently.


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I'd agree the HN Warden had the most at stake and which is one of the many reasons that was my favorite and canon Warden. But I'd also say the human Magi Warden as well because it is their homeland.



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I think that in regards to the Blight they all have something to lose but it's really the civil war and disputes that define the origins.  Outside of the relevant things like the Tower's war between Templar and Mage, or the Forest and the Dalish Clan vs Werewolves, and Orzzamar's power struggle the HM, EM, DN, and DE just want to end the infighting to focus on the Blight.  The DC is considered a nobody and may see the blight as a chance to do something great and meaningful which would be very important to him/her but again, everyone else is just a tool to get the job done.  The CE has family in the capital and elves all over the country, but they mostly an abstract thought rather then real and Dennerim is safe from the hoard until the final battle, sure the Allianage is threatened by Howe and Loghain and that is personal but if you put it off Denerim to last it can be dealt with almost at once.  In fact most problems that relate to the origins can be dealt with relative quickly once you show up in contrast with the civil war which starts almost right after Ostagar and rages until the landsmeet.  Personally, and it's only my opinion, the HN has the most invested in the Civil War.  Besides the slaughter of his family arguable being the begging of the war you have the fact that, unlike the CE, he actually knows the people fighting.  In the tavern in Dennerim the HN can talk to many banns and arls who are gathering for the landsmeet and many of them know him/her on sight.  The HN likely met many Nobles and Knights of the bannorn and the northern coast traveling with his father or when they came to visit Highever or even during Tournaments they took part in.  So while I believe it's hard to say who has more invested in the blight itself, the war as a whole always seemed to me to effect the HN more then the others.  But that's just my opinion.



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Human Noble > City Elf > Dalish Elf > Mage > Dwarf Commoner > Dwarf Noble in terms of how I would view what each Warden would have the most the lose.