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[Excella Gionne]

I didn't think about this until now, but when Shepard and the squad take Samara and Falere out of the Great Hall, Rila sacrifices herself, but Samara says nothing to Rila and is inclined on her decision to stay behind and detonate the bomb ending her's and the Banshees' lives. 

 

Once out of the Monastery, Falere blames herself and everyone else that they left Rila down in the Monastery to die. My assumption here is that:

 

Samara intentionally left Rila down in the Monastery to die. If Samara was really here to save her daughters, she would have stayed to set off the bomb herself, but she did not. When Samara is faced with the conflict between killing Falere, because she's an Ardat-Yakshi, and her own code, she decides to end herself to leave her last daughter live. Samara couldn't kill her last daughter, and I believe she intentionally came to the Ardat-Yakshi Monastery to kill them too, fearing that they might go off-world and because her own code demands it.

Rila's decision to set off the bomb offered an easier way out for Samara to end one of her daughters, but Falere was still alive in the end, and that made the decision to kill her even more difficult. If Samara kills herself, you are allowed to finish the task that she could not. Even if Samara did rescue both Rila and Falere herself, her own code wouldn't allow her to save them, but kill them instead. Samara could have left Falere to die by the Cannibals that were chasing her.

[Remix-General Aetius]

erm......did you just realize that? it was heavily implied from start to finish. with the monastery under Reaper siege, Samara's only code-centric option was to kill them and prevent another Morinth fiasco.

 

besides, Rila was beyond salvation since she had already been permanently affected by the Reapers. she'd die anyway from becoming a Banshee and Shepard 86'ing her.

[Excella Gionne]

erm......did you just realize that? it was heavily implied from start to finish. with the monastery under Reaper siege, Samara's only code-centric option was to kill them.

I've always assumed so, but why couldn't she just let them get killed by the Reapers? I'm sure she assumed that they may have gotten away or something. Justicars only see white & black, and not grey, but in the end, she was in the grey. Why would she try so hard just to save them? Why did she rescue Falere from the Cannibals that were chasing her if it were another to kill them in her stead?

[Elhanan]

Being turned into a monster is not death, and I cannot imagine that many Mothers would opt for a Reaper controlled fate over a swift resolution.

[Excella Gionne]

Being turned into a monster is not death, and I cannot imagine that many Mothers would opt for a Reaper controlled fate over a swift resolution.

Samara would have driven herself crazy after she killed her daughters. I'm pretty sure Samara never would have left the Monastery alive, and I'm sure she knew she couldn't kill them.

[frylock23]

I always assumed she left Rila because she already counted Rila as dead or as good as. There wasn't anything anyone could do for here once here eyes started turning black.

 

Whether or not she intended to make sure both were dead, at that point, there would have been no point to saving Rila, so leaving her to use the detonator was the best option for everyone in a cold, practical sense.

[cap and gown]

I always assumed she left Rila because she already counted Rila as dead or as good as. There wasn't anything anyone could do for here once here eyes started turning black.

 

Whether or not she intended to make sure both were dead, at that point, there would have been no point to saving Rila, so leaving her to use the detonator was the best option for everyone in a cold, practical sense.

 

I agree. I see no reason to think Samara came to the Monastery to kill her daughters. That is contradicted by the ending where she kills herself (if you let her) rather than kill her last daughter. She left Rila behind because it was too late for her. She was already becoming a Banshee at that point; there was no way to save her, but she could still save Falere.

[Kabooooom]

OP, I think you missed a brief moment that gives an insight into Samara's thoughts at the moment she abandoned her daughter to die. When Rila tells Falere her decision to detonate the bomb, the camera focuses on Samara. She hesitates, lowers her gaze, a brief flash of sadness passes over her but is quickly erased by a look of acceptance, respect, and determination.

Samara likely recognized the necessity of Rila's sacrifice. As a follower of the Code, she understands the nature and burden of sacrifice. Furthermore, Rila's sacrifice was likely perfectly in line with Samara's Code. And because of that, she both accepts and respects Rila's decision. Her turning her back struck me less as a lack of compassion, and more as one warrior acknowledging another in a field of battle, and her respect in the honor of dying a warrior's death.

Samara probably would have opted to die the exact same way, to he honest. That's what was particularly beautiful and heart wrenching about that scene. It was deeply and well written.

So, yes, Samara probably came to the Sanctuary to kill them. But shortly after her arrival she seemed to decide to save them instead, otherwise she would have killed Falere when she found her. But her abandonment of Rila followed a different motivation, I think.

[mybudgee]

^ Exactamundo

[ImaginaryMatter]

I think a large problem with this comes from the fact that the Justicar Code really has some random tenants placed into it.

[Vigilant111]

I think Samara is still governed by the code because if she sacrificed herself, who is going to look after her daughters? (She also would not want others to come after her daughters even though eventually they will outlive her) I think Samara made a tough choice, she ultimately chose to remain the guardian to her last surviving daughter

[grey_wind]

I think a large problem with this comes from the fact that the Justicar Code really has some random tenants placed into it.

^This. The Code is whatever the writers want it to be at the time.

 

The best example is some stupid clause that insists Samara can't conveniently join your crew in ME3.

[KaiserShep]

Sutra #4,976 of the Justicar Code clearly states that an ME2 companion that didn't exist in ME1 can't become a permanent fixture on the Normandy.