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[BloodyTalon]

Yeah, she could die, so does Oghren actually. Can kill everyone but Morrigan, Alistar till replace him with Loghain, Dog, and I think Shale. I have to go back and look, a warden killed everyone I could once. Oghren states, "you left me to die, but you didn't check to see if I was dead." When a warden killed him and then shows up in Awakening, Which is why Leliana would be the same fate. Warden didn't check those they killed apparently.  Actually I was short of one member when I attacked Archdemon for my group with that warden if I recall. 

If you have Shale in the party and choose not to destory the avial of the void, she gets upsit.

[Aaleel]

Yeah, she could die, so does Oghren actually. Can kill everyone but Morrigan, Alistar till replace him with Loghain, Dog, and I think Shale. I have to go back and look, a warden killed everyone I could once. Oghren states, "you left me to die, but you didn't check to see if I was dead." When a warden killed him and then shows up in Awakening, Which is why Leliana would be the same fate. Warden didn't check those they killed apparently.  Actually I was short of one member when I attacked Archdemon for my group with that warden if I recall. 

 

If you side with Branka I'm pretty sure Shale will turn on you just like Leliana and Wynne will do at the Urn of Sacred Ashes. 

[aTigerslunch]

Ah yes, so I did have her die. 

 

I had Loghain, Warden, and dog during that fight. I made Loghain sacrifice himself as a selfish warden could live to kill more.

[TurretSyndrome]

This better be a lesson to all the people who intend to kill the companions in DA:I. Remember, always check the body after the fight. In DA's case however, it's "tweet the developer to confirm if the character will stay dead before you choose to kill them". Very important.

[movieguyabw]

I remember it was stated by one of the devs that there was a story reason for Leliana surviving.

 

I also believe it was stated that the whole "decapitation" thing while fighting her didn't count.  Think of it as a glitch in that particular instance.  An animation played that shouldn't have...  At least that's how I'm choosing to look at it.   lol

 

My guess - yeah, I think a spirit probably took over her body similar to Justice.  I doubt the use of the Ashes, because they were defiled and I believe it was stated they wouldn't work if they were.  And I highly doubt the Maker story for a multitude of reasons.

[Killdren88]

She is a master Bard. Faking her Death would be easy for her. And really you can't use a random death blow and call it canon in your story.

[SerCambria358]

I wish Bioware would just say we hand waved it and be done with, to even try to explain it is ridiculous.  They brought Warden's that made the ultimate sacrifice back for Awakenings, and just said if you don't mind us hand waving it go ahead.  They should have just did the same thing with Leliana. 

 

If "the Warden didn't make sure they were dead" is an explanation, then they can bring back damn near anyone.

If the Warden died, then they died, the Warden in Awakening was from Orlais

[aTigerslunch]

@movieguyabw, take another look at what Oghren said to the Warden who killed him.    She isn't a ghost, spirit or the Maker.

 

The Warden keeps failing to check the bodies if they are dead. Honestly I don't remember seen her beheaded, so I might had a bug there to not shown. *shrugs*

[Arakat]

@movieguyabw, take another look at what Oghren said to the Warden who killed him.    She isn't a ghost, spirit or the Maker.

 

The Warden keeps failing to check the bodies if they are dead. Honestly I don't remember seen her beheaded, so I might had a bug there to not shown. *shrugs*

 

Nah, the beheading is just a random combat move that has nothing to do with the story. But some people just love claiming it's "canon".

[aTigerslunch]

I see, that is why I never seen it and was confused. So, she was left for dead like Oghren was if he was killed basically, as well as Wynne. So what's the big deal?!  BSN of course, silliness. Warden didn't check to see if they was dead. Ok, then its trolling as I thought it was. 

[ReadingRambo220]

How can you kill Oghren? During the Paragon quest?

[Palidane]

Wait, what? No seriously, everyone slow down for a sec. There is a mod that let's you have Bethany AND Carver? Hot damn, where can I find it?!

[caradoc2000]

she was destined to do more so was saved by the Creator.

Which is 100% truth - considering her creator is Bioware.

[Aaleel]

If the Warden died, then they died, the Warden in Awakening was from Orlais

 

You can import your dead Warden into Awakenings, trust me I've done it.  Bioware said if you don't mind us hand waving, we don't care either.

 

"If a player wants to, they can import their "Dead Warden" into Awakening and play as them. For the story it's assumed that they didn't make the ultimate sacrifice, instead somehow survived. A player would start as the same level with the same gear as their "Dead Warden". Essentially, if a player doesn't have a problem hand-waiving the story in this regard - neither do we."

[PillarBiter]

who says the leliana you killed/is in the seekers is actually leliana? Maybe it's a witch (morrigan, flemeth?) in disguise? 

[teenparty]

Oh yeah, Leliana. Well, I believe she used the ashes to heal herself or the maker revived her himself.

 In that case she would have had to drink the dragon blood. Leliana is a reaver.

[aTigerslunch]

You can pretty much slaughter almost everyone in that game but have to go rival all the way down on their bar, they may forgive you once, but not twice, where they attack or leave.

[caradoc2000]

who says the leliana you killed/is in the seekers is actually leliana? Maybe it's a witch (morrigan, flemeth?) in disguise? 

Or a clone - Bioware even has a recent precedent for this.

[movieguyabw]

@movieguyabw, take another look at what Oghren said to the Warden who killed him.    She isn't a ghost, spirit or the Maker.

 

The Warden keeps failing to check the bodies if they are dead. Honestly I don't remember seen her beheaded, so I might had a bug there to not shown. *shrugs*

 

...I wasn't aware you could kill Oghren and he'd show up later.  0o

 

I'm guessing the dialogue went something like "the warden didn't check to see if I was really dead".  In which case, as someone stated earlier, you could probably get away in saying that nobody ever dies in DA because the player never checks to see if they're dead.  I mean, I know we get a similar explanation for what happens to Zevran, Nathaniel, Anders, and I'm sure more.

 

The Zevran one I find particularly headscratching, since he already pulled the "faking" being dead when you first encounter him.  You'd think the Warden would've learned to make sure, the second time he fights you.  0o

[Arakat]

The Zevran one I find particularly headscratching, since he already pulled the "faking" being dead when you first encounter him.  You'd think the Warden would've learned to make sure, the second time he fights you.  0o

I'm pretty sure Zevran showing up in DA2 is a bug (if he died), his import flags are really messed up.

[RedWulfi]

There are rumors leliana is Andraste reborn so..

[LobselVith8]

Oh yeah, Leliana. Well, I believe she used the ashes to heal herself or the maker revived her himself.

 

The dragon blood was poured into the ashes, however. It's why the Guardian, Wynne, and Leliana attempt to murder your protagonist.

[thats1evildude]

The Ashes were desecrated, but the source of their healing power - whether that's the Maker, the lyrium node in the walls or somethhing else - is unaffected.

[LobselVith8]

The Ashes were desecrated, but the source of their healing power - whether that's the Maker, the lyrium node in the walls or somethhing else - is unaffected.

 

Considering the corpses already in the room, perhaps the suggestion that Leliana has a spirit inhabiting her now isn't that far off?