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[Russian Berserker]

Judging from the info we got from Solas, I now think the Fade is the mind of everything, and yet the single mind of the world itself, Thedas.

 

Souls to me, are the minds of people being remembered by the Fade itself. The Soul is the memory of a person being remembered as they were by the Fade. Everything that lives has a soul then, by this theory. 

 

Spirits have no soul, so they have no Identity. They cannot be remembered by the Fade. They just take something from the minds of the living. Emotions are their Identity, they have no Identity of their own. They are neither living nor dead.

 

 

Think of the Fade as a big, clean/clear body of water.Think of the memories and thoughts of living beings as stuff dumped into that water.

 

Spirits are part of the Fade. Everything thinks into the Fade. If you think negative emotions in the Fade it precipitates negative waters (malevolent spirits). If you think positive emotions in the Fade it precipitates positive waters (benevolent spirits).

Modifié par Russian Berserker, 02 juillet 2014 - 02:32 .

[Red Panda]

How Jungian...

 

Where do the denizens of the fade fit in?

[Maria Caliban]

That would be neat.

[ArtemisMoons]

I wonder if all of the citizens believed that the Fade was filled only with helpful, good spirits if that would actually have an effect. 

Or if demons would laugh and pour through to destroy people anyways. xD

[Red Panda]

I wonder if all of the citizens believed that the Fade was filled only with helpful, good spirits if that would actually have an effect. 

Or if demons would laugh and pour through to destroy people anyways. xD

I also wonder if Thedas is governed by character ethics then.

 

Were you to eliminate vice, would said black city become gold with only virtue present?

 

Your idea is curious in that the vices and virtues of mortals directly affect the denizens of the Fade.

[Russian Berserker]

I also wonder if Thedas is governed by character ethics then.

 

Were you to eliminate vice, would said black city become gold with only virtue present?

 

Your idea is curious in that the vices and virtues of mortals directly affect the denizens of the Fade.

interesting

[meganbytez]

that is really interesting. i could see that the fade is full of demons because mages and templars convince themselves its full of horrible things because magic is dangerous. it is a good metaphor for how fear and ignorance corrupts the world. it'd be very difficult to change the fade and make it full of good spirits but that sounds like a good thing to strive for. 

 

solas's info has defiantly made the fade look more interesting. 

[Red Panda]

that is really interesting. i could see that the fade is full of demons because mages and templars convince themselves its full of horrible things because magic is dangerous. it is a good metaphor for how fear and ignorance corrupts the world. it'd be very difficult to change the fade and make it full of good spirits but that sounds like a good thing to strive for. 

 

solas's info has defiantly made the fade look more interesting. 

So essentially the world is being literally ravaged by its own fears?

[90s Luke]

This doesn't explain WHAT spirits are or WHY they exist.

[meganbytez]

So essentially the world is being literally ravaged by its own fears?

 

i guess so yes. at least how I'm perceiving it. interesting. 

[Awkward Octopus]

The concept as described in the interview about Solas sounded to me like Jung's Collective Unconscious theory (like Red Panda pointed out). 

 

Of course, Jung's thesis (if I understand it right) described it as what we would now think of as a sort of genetic memory, as opposed to, say, the game Psychonauts where every person shares a subconscious link with every other person.

 

Going with that idea, I would see spirits and demons as manifestations of our own fears and vices, as well as our virtues and aspirations, etc. (Hence, the introduction of enemies such as "terror.") And the more afraid we are, the more they manifest as a sort of vicious cycle. Sort of like, the more stressed out you are, the more likely you are to suffer from bad dreams or sleep paralysis (at least in my experience).

 

And then all that brings up the potential of shared dreams or memories, which could be interesting...

 

Well. Those are my thoughts, anyway.

[Red Panda]

This doesn't explain WHAT spirits are or WHY they exist.

They seem to be the virtues and vices of mortals on Thedas according to this. If you think it, it exists.

[Russian Berserker]

This doesn't explain WHAT spirits are or WHY they exist.

metaphors

 

Think of the Fade as a big, clean/clear body of water. Think of the memories and thoughts of living beings as stuff dumped into that water (They could be positive or negative). Now, think of the spirits as the precipitates in the body big, clean/clear body of water.

 

Bam!

[Awkward Octopus]

metaphors

 

Think of the Fade as a big, clean/clear body of water. Think of the memories and thoughts of living beings as stuff dumped into that water (They could be positive or negative). Now, think of the spirits as the precipitates in that body of water.

 

Bam!

 

Because if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate!

 

>.>

 

(my life is a series of bad science jokes, I'm sorry...)

[Russian Berserker]

Because if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate!

 

>.>

 

(my life is a series of bad science jokes, I'm sorry...)

Spirits are part of the Fade. Everything thinks into the Fade. If you think negative emotions in the Fade it precipitates negative waters (malevolent spirits). If you think positive emotions in the Fade it precipitates positive waters (benevolent spirits).

[Nyeredzi]

nice theory,

[90s Luke]

We should keep in mind that Solas' perspective of the Fade could be as flawed as anyone else's.

[Daerog]

Well, a certain witch did talk about a time before the Veil, so if she is right, then I don't see this theory working very well. Except that the emotions and actions of the world do have an impact in the Fade, that seems to be agreed on by many.

 

The Chantry (and probably how ancient Tevinter saw it, too) says that the Fade was where the spirits lived and that it was like a blank canvas that the spirits didn't know what to do with, and after creating the material world, the Fade became an imitation of Thedas. Not sure how that works with the witch of the wild's tale, unless the Chantry's story happened after the creation of the Veil and so the Fade and Thedas were made at the same time after splitting them from an undivided realm or whatever.

 

The spirits seem to possess free will and seem to be like persons, so there seems to be individuals in the Fade that may have been created by thought but are now independent, although still influenced by Thedas.

 

This theory kind of reminds me of Final Fantasy X, except it is just the thoughts of dead people making the dream in FFX instead of living people or whatever, been a while since I played it.

[Russian Berserker]

Well, a certain witch did talk about a time before the Veil, so if she is right, then I don't see this theory working very well. Except that the emotions and actions of the world do have an impact in the Fade, that seems to be agreed on by many.

 

The Chantry (and probably how ancient Tevinter saw it, too) says that the Fade was where the spirits lived and that it was like a blank canvas that the spirits didn't know what to do with, and after creating the material world, the Fade became an imitation of Thedas. Not sure how that works with the witch of the wild's tale, unless the Chantry's story happened after the creation of the Veil and so the Fade and Thedas were made at the same time after splitting them from an undivided realm or whatever.

 

The spirits seem to possess free will and seem to be like persons, so there seems to be individuals in the Fade that may have been created by thought but are now independent, although still influenced by Thedas.

 

This theory kind of reminds me of Final Fantasy X, except it is just the thoughts of dead people making the dream in FFX instead of living people or whatever, been a while since I played it.

Thedas is the body of the world we exist in. The Fade is the mind of the world of which we think into. Combined, it would make the world... alive....weird. As if Thedas is a sleeping world, or a world in a coma.

 

 

Another way to interpret it is to think of Thedas as the Land and the Fade as the Ocean. Combining it would be like putting the Land under the Ocean.

[Daerog]

I wonder if that is the reason the antagonist in DAI has for the Breach, making the world whole again and such.

 

I would really like to have this interpretation put into the world somewhere. It's almost a pantheistic view of the world.

[PsychoBlonde]

I pretty much agree with Daerog.  Just because stuff in the Fade arises from the minds of people in Thedas doesn't mean that EVERYTHING in the Fade comes straight out of some sort of collective unconscious.  There doesn't even have to be anything "collective" about it.

 

The Fade seems to be largely plastic.  It responds to will.  That's not the same thing as being created by will or being identical to that will.  Water may change shape depending on its container but that doesn't mean that the container created the water or that the water and the container are identical.

[Russian Berserker]

I wonder if that is the reason the antagonist in DAI has for the Breach, making the world whole again and such.

 

I would really like to have this interpretation put into the world somewhere. It's almost a pantheistic view of the world.

It would make the Rivaini religion right all along

[SomberXIII]

As stated in World of Thedas, spirits and demons were Maker's first children. They simply watched over Maker's second children, humans over time. They both split into Benevolent (Justice, Faith, Compassion, Valor, Honor, etc.) and Malevolent (Pride, Desire, etc.).

[Daerog]

Could Thedas be the Maker? So, when the Maker split, the spirits came to be first, then the humans? I don't care for the theory myself, but hey, why not bring on more theories? Is the Fade the manifestation of the world soul?

 

Anyway, my wondering is where the blight would fit in this theory. Nightmares made material? I've always viewed it as a kind of negative Fade, as magic can be fueled from it like the Fade and blood and somehow souls/spirits can move through it (Corypheus, Archdemons).

[Han Shot First]

Where do the dwarves fit in? They don't go to the fade when they dream.