Dwarves don't go to the Fade when they dream, but doesn't mean that their influence is completely cut off.
Edit: That, or according to this theory, the dwarves have no souls like the darkspawn... which wouldn't make sense for a dwarf warden... or any self aware being...
Dwarves don't go to the Fade when they dream, but doesn't mean that their influence is completely cut off.
Edit: That, or according to this theory, the dwarves have no souls like the darkspawn... which wouldn't make sense for a dwarf warden... or any self aware being...
Dwarves don't go to the Fade when they dream, but doesn't mean that their influence is completely cut off.
Edit: That, or according to this theory, the dwarves have no souls like the darkspawn... which wouldn't make sense for a dwarf warden... or any self aware being...
Dwarves can't naturally enter the fade, and are a little bit resistant to magic, but are not completely immune, and can still enter the fade in unnatural situations.
Dwarves when dead return to the Stone (the earth), and those who are Profane don't actually die, but wander the deep roads in a half-life condition.
I read somewhere that spirit of the Stone is Lyrium, and like the Stone which protects the Dwarves from the Fade, Lyrium protects those who take it within themselves from magic (templars/fenris).
Could Thedas be the Maker? So, when the Maker split, the spirits came to be first, then the humans? I don't care for the theory myself, but hey, why not bring on more theories? Is the Fade the manifestation of the world soul?
Anyway, my wondering is where the blight would fit in this theory. Nightmares made material? I've always viewed it as a kind of negative Fade, as magic can be fueled from it like the Fade and blood and somehow souls/spirits can move through it (Corypheus, Archdemons).
The taint is the corruption (of man's sin given form?), as well as the prime gestalt of the old god Souls.
The old gods were confirmed to be beings that were not part of creation. They were not created.
Did the exposure of their pure "golden" souls to creation corrupt their light, and created the taint?
Or was the light-show coming from the Golden City before the Tervinter endeavor a trap?
The taint is just a corruption carrying the over-soul of the old gods within it.
The taint is the corruption (of man's sin given form?), as well as the prime gestalt of the old god Souls.
The old gods were confirmed to be beings that were not part of creation. They were not created.
Did the exposure of their pure "golden" souls to creation corrupt their light, and created the taint?
Or was the light-show coming from the Golden City before the Tervinter endeavor a trap?
The taint is just a corruption carrying the over-soul of the old gods within it.
the souls of the old gods were the "golden light" in the then golden city?
The way I look at it, the best analogue to the Fade is the Warp in the Warhammer 40K universe - a parallel, immaterial dimension where the thoughts and feelings of mortals can leave imprints (and also the source of all magic). The Fade itself would be a neutral realm, but whenever we sleep our consciousness fills this dimension with memories, virtues, vices, ideologies, emotions, fears, hopes etc. If, let's assume, similar thoughts and emotions attract each other, then the more mortals experience a single emotion or a single concept, the more it accumulates into the Fade, until it creates a "sentient" being which completely manifests said concept/emotion/virtue/vice. So, either WE create spirits and demons simply by virtue of unconsciously influencing the Fade, or these creatures already exist in a neutral state and they just "pick" and embody a specific concept we present them with. Either way, we create the Fade, the spirits, demons, and everything inbetween. The assumption that the Fade is primarily demon-infested would mean Thedas as a whole is full of vulgar and corrupt mortals, or simply that there are too many bad things happening to people, which trigger bad emotions, like a vicious cycle. Interestingly, if we go with the ideas of us creating Spirits and Demons, I would assume mortals could easily create Gods if billions of people belief in the exact same imaginary deity, and that idea is reflected in the Fade and is thus given life. Maybe that's how the Elven Gods came to be. Just food for thought 
The way I look at it, the best analogue to the Fade is the Warp in the Warhammer 40K universe - a parallel, immaterial dimension where the thoughts and feelings of mortals can leave imprints (and also the source of all magic). The Fade itself would be a neutral realm, but whenever we sleep our consciousness fills this dimension with memories, virtues, vices, ideologies, emotions, fears, hopes etc. If, let's assume, similar thoughts and emotions attract each other, then the more mortals experience a single emotion or a single concept, the more it accumulates into the Fade, until it creates a "sentient" being which completely manifests said concept/emotion/virtue/vice. So, either WE create spirits and demons simply by virtue of unconsciously influencing the Fade, or these creatures already exist in a neutral state and they just "pick" and embody a specific concept we present them with. Either way, we create the Fade, the spirits, demons, and everything inbetween. The assumption that the Fade is primarily demon-infested would mean Thedas as a whole is full of vulgar and corrupt mortals, or simply that there are too many bad things happening to people, which trigger bad emotions, like a vicious cycle. Interestingly, if we go with the ideas of us creating Spirits and Demons, I would assume mortals could easily create Gods if billions of people belief in the exact same imaginary deity, and that idea is reflected in the Fade and is thus given life. Maybe that's how the Elven Gods came to be. Just food for thought
Nice theory
The way I look at it, the best analogue to the Fade is the Warp in the Warhammer 40K universe - a parallel, immaterial dimension where the thoughts and feelings of mortals can leave imprints (and also the source of all magic). The Fade itself would be a neutral realm, but whenever we sleep our consciousness fills this dimension with memories, virtues, vices, ideologies, emotions, fears, hopes etc. If, let's assume, similar thoughts and emotions attract each other, then the more mortals experience a single emotion or a single concept, the more it accumulates into the Fade, until it creates a "sentient" being which completely manifests said concept/emotion/virtue/vice. So, either WE create spirits and demons simply by virtue of unconsciously influencing the Fade, or these creatures already exist in a neutral state and they just "pick" and embody a specific concept we present them with. Either way, we create the Fade, the spirits, demons, and everything inbetween. The assumption that the Fade is primarily demon-infested would mean Thedas as a whole is full of vulgar and corrupt mortals, or simply that there are too many bad things happening to people, which trigger bad emotions, like a vicious cycle. Interestingly, if we go with the ideas of us creating Spirits and Demons, I would assume mortals could easily create Gods if billions of people belief in the exact same imaginary deity, and that idea is reflected in the Fade and is thus given life. Maybe that's how the Elven Gods came to be. Just food for thought
And we all know how well THAT worked out for all sentient races in WH40k.
But yes, one could even try to draw parallel (albeit weak) with the fall of elves (elddar) and rise of humankind. Would Qunari be Tau then? They concepts of the Qun do follow the Greater Good paradigm fairly closely. Darkspawn don't quite fit the necron lore, but I suspect they are closest we can get racewise. Grand. Oh well, Skulls for the Skull Throne!
Nice theory! I can definitely see it being something like that.
It reminds me a little of that thing that Dumbledore puts his memories into in the Harry Potter books ... but larger in scale and scope. Interesting.
Solas and me are going to talk a lot, I think. I can't wait to find out more about the fade.
um not alot of positive came from Justice and Anders...
also if all minds are part of the fade, where do dwarf minds fit in to it all?
um not alot of positive came from Justice and Anders...
also if all minds are part of the fade, where do dwarf minds fit in to it all?
The Dwarves are children of the Stone, the earth, Thedas, the physical counterpart of the Fade. The Stone itself is said to protect them from the Fade. They can still enter the Fade unnaturally despite this, which means they are not completely disconnected from it
no, Fade is Harkin's alias on the Citadel lol.
one day while traveling in the fade, the player stumbles upon a big red book
one day while traveling in the fade, the player stumbles upon a big red book
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did some one already make that joke? i have't read the thread
Judging from the info we got from Solas, I now think the Fade is the mind of everything, and yet the single mind of the world itself, Thedas.
Souls to me, are the minds of people being remembered by the Fade itself. The Soul is the memory of a person being remembered as they were by the Fade. Everything that lives has a soul then, by this theory.Spirits have no soul, so they have no Identity. They cannot be remembered by the Fade. They just take something from the minds of the living. Emotions are their Identity, they have no Identity of their own. They are neither living nor dead.
Think of the Fade as a big, clean/clear body of water.Think of the memories and thoughts of living beings as stuff dumped into that water.Spirits are part of the Fade. Everything thinks into the Fade. If you think negative emotions in the Fade it precipitates negative waters (malevolent spirits). If you think positive emotions in the Fade it precipitates positive waters (benevolent spirits).
That's way to close to the concept of Warp from Warhammer 40k.
http://warhammer40k....wiki/Immaterium
I prefer that demons and spirits are just alien or at least their nature is similar to angels and demons. It makes more sense to me since the Chantry is influenced by Christianity.
I think the fade is equivalent to what we would call the astral realm. We supposedly astral travel when we dream and dreaming in thedas also involves subconsciously traveling to the fade. The Fade is definitely the collective consciousness of their world which I think is pretty cool.
I love this theory and I also love Jung. Spirits as Tulpas/thoughtforms makes sense to me, I'm looking forward to meeting Solas to learn more though, hey who knows, maybe he'll be a Thedas 'Buddhist'...
This theory reminds me of that awesome (but sadly deleted) scene from Dogma where it's revealed that the traditional fire and brimstone version of Hell only came about when overly pious humans decided they belonged there and brought their baggage with them.
This would fit nicely with the Fade being shaped by the races in Thedas, as even the "good" Spirits choose to base themselves on virtuous concepts stolen from mortal minds, such as Justice and Valour, much as Demons base themselves on mortal vices. And perhaps explain why in Awakening, Justice claims to have no clue as to the origins of spirts and demons either, possibly because they been mode-locked into those forms for so long that they've honestly forgotten what form they all took before?
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