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Why do people think Cassandra is bi


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According to Allan, the only reason Sera is gay is because Luke wanted to write her as a lesbian.

 

If you head to the Sera thread and ask him, he might go into more detail as he's been chatting more lately.

Any particular reason that he wanted that detail to be included? 



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Any particular reason that he wanted that detail to be included? 

Lukas? This is what he said about that:

 

 

While I disagree with the implication (that you cannot successfully write a character unless you are yourself their mirror), if it helps, I didn't attempt to write her to be an example of what a lesbian character should or should not be. I wrote her to be Sera, and she happens to be a lesbian. I tried to take the same approach with Aveline. I didn't write her to be a strong woman, I wrote her to be a strong character. That she was a woman was part of her character, but not what wholly defined her.

 

Like Aveline, Sera has her flaws. I expect some will like her, and some will hate her, and that's expected. Hopefully because of her opinions/actions and not due to an expectation of what she should or should not represent. But I can't control that, so we'll see how it goes. I've had my hits and misses before. Fun every time.  ;)

 

 

 

I don't think you and I are at cross-purposes. You took a number of leaps with my statement in order to make a point. A valid one that I do not dispute. But I didn't say that I didn't bother, that she's "just a person," that it isn't meaningful, a tiny trait, or irrelevant.

 

I said that I didn't intend to use her story to state "this is what a lesbian character is or isn't," explicitly that I would not presume to tell you what a lesbian is or isn't. I also said (through mentioning how I approached Aveline) that it is part of her, but not what solely defines her. That is not the same as "it doesn't matter." Rather, that it isn't the source of conflict in her story.

 

So yes, straight up, her nature as an elf will be mentioned more often, as that is the context of the culture in which she lives and by which she is primarily judged. But she is always who she is. Both will hopefully inform how you see her story. I don't know if it's the character you would have wanted, but I still hope you like her.

 

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I just hope Sandal is romanceable. I have been nurturing a burning love for him ever since he uttered his first enchantment :rolleyes: :P

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I'm just going to point out Varric only says * Sounds like someone has a crush* with male hawke , female varric says * if i didn't know any better i'd say you developed a case of Hero worship* which in no way means she wants FHawke in a romantic way. Just pointing it out.

 

Its more likely that she will be only for MQuisitors only , Viv seems far more Bi then Cassandra would be. There's also Scribbles but we know nothing about her.



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I'm just going to point out Varric only says * Sounds like someone has a crush* with male hawke , female varric says * if i didn't know any better i'd say you developed a case of Hero worship* which in no way means she wants FHawke in a romantic way. Just pointing it out.

 

Its more likely that she will be only for MQuisitors only , Viv seems far more Bi then Cassandra would be. There's also Scribbles but we know nothing about her.

Um, that is not an indication of being straight, bisexual or gay.  That literally means squat for deciding what sexuality someone is.  I can have a case of hero worship with women I'm attracted to as well.


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Um, that is not an indication of being straight, bisexual or gay.  That literally means squat for deciding what sexuality someone is.  I can have a case of hero worship with women I'm attracted to as well.

 

I'm going by what Varric said , and going by that doesn't indicate her being Bi , otherwise Varric would have said the exact same thing about her having a crush on FemHawke as well. 



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Why do you think she's straight? At this point I don't think there is that much evidence in either way. I haven't watched dawn of the seeker but I have seen people saying male character had something going on with her? That doesn't mean she can't be bi. Varric assuming that she has crush on male Hawke tells more of Varric's thoughts than Cassandra's in my opinion.

 

I think people are just hoping she would be bi, for more she's available the better I guess? I think f/f romance with her would be cool, I'm not so much into Sera so I hope it's option.


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Varric can read minds of course.


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I'm just going to point out Varric only says * Sounds like someone has a crush* with male hawke , female varric says * if i didn't know any better i'd say you developed a case of Hero worship* which in no way means she wants FHawke in a romantic way. Just pointing it out.

 

Its more likely that she will be only for MQuisitors only , Viv seems far more Bi then Cassandra would be. There's also Scribbles but we know nothing about her.

 


Um, that is not an indication of being straight, bisexual or gay.  That literally means squat for deciding what sexuality someone is.  I can have a case of hero worship with women I'm attracted to as well.

 

Its her response to those which... paint her. with the male she like denies it in a completely fake way, which says there is a crush(or something). With the female she pretty much acknowledges that it is kind of hero worship, because she respects femhawke. It does make it clear she is into men but doesn't necessarily mean that she isn't into women. But most characters never have anything explicitly saying that they aren't attracted to either gender. Morrigan for example is straight, but she never says that she's not into women as well. So really the "it didn't say they're not whatever" is kind of irrelevant because just about no characters do.
 



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I'm going by what Varric said , and going by that doesn't indicate her being Bi , otherwise Varric would have said the exact same thing about her having a crush on FemHawke as well. 

Straight until otherwise proven is an unwise stance to take in real life.  It's an even worse idea in a BioWare game.  I'm not taking Varric using his words to Cassandra as an indication of her sexuality.   <_<

 

We know nothing either way and we won't until the devs let us know.  

 

 

Its her response to those which... paint her. with the male she like denies it in a completely fake way, which says there is a crush(or something). With the female she pretty much acknowledges that it is kind of hero worship, because she respects femhawke. It does make it clear she is into men but doesn't necessarily mean that she isn't into women. But most characters never have anything explicitly saying that they aren't attracted to either gender. Morrigan for example is straight, but she never says that she's not into women as well.
 

Like I said, we have no real proof either way.  She could be bisexual, she could be straight.  Who knows at this point.  Any "evidence" that shows any sign of her sexuality is shaky at best.


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Straight until otherwise proven is an unwise stance to take in real life.  It's an even worse idea in a BioWare game.  I'm not taking Varric using his words to Cassandra as an indication of her sexuality.   <_<

 

We know nothing either way and we won't until the devs let us know.  

 

True but also i'm just going by where she's from.. Viv seems like the type who would be Bi , being Orlesian sure seems like most people that hail from there enjoy lots and lots of... lets just say Things shall we? (including both sexes)



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True but also i'm just going by where she's from.. Viv seems like the type who would be Bi , being Orlesian sure seems like most people that hail from there enjoy lots and lots of... lets just say Things shall we? (including both sexes)

That's not how sexuality works.


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True but also i'm just going by where she's from.. Viv seems like the type who would be Bi , being Orlesian sure seems like most people that hail from there enjoy lots and lots of... lets just say Things shall we? (including both sexes)

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So you think Vivienne will be bisexual because she's from Orlais?  Um, I don't think you've read World of Thedas yet, but Orlais is just where they are the most open about sexuality.  Not a single country in Thedas has a problem with non-heterosexuality, unless an heir is needed.  Only Tevinter does, mainly because they are really fixated on producing more mages.  Even then, they don't care that much as long as it's among someone's slaves and the magisters still produce children.

 

So yeah, that doesn't work either.


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Cassie will be a curiosity. Not sure but Scribbles would match Cullen in position and be a straight option like Cullen? Thereby being a balance?  So Cassie and Vivie become the bi options? well one or the other and to think in that line Vivi may not be an option at all?



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So you think Vivienne will be bisexual because she's from Orlais?  Um, I don't think you've read World of Thedas yet, but Orlais is just where they are the most open about sexuality.  Not a single country in Thedas has a problem with non-heterosexuality, unless an heir is needed.  Only Tevinter does, mainly because they are really fixated on producing more mages.  Even then, they don't care that much as long as it's among someone's slaves and the magisters still produce children.

 

So yeah, that doesn't work either.

 

Pretty much , that's the only reason why lol , cause Orlais is very open about there sexuality , Never said it was a good or strong reason , its a completely random reason lol



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Pretty much , that's the only reason why lol , cause Orlais is very open about there sexuality.

I would suggest not assuming sexuality based on nationality.  It's a slippery slope indeed.

 

 This is what World of Thedas on page 72 said about sexuality:

 

The Sex Lives of Everyday Theodosians:
 
What I find most interesting is that, despite the lack of open discussion on matters of human sexuality, there is a commonality to be found on the subject in all Andrastian lands.
 
Typically, one's sexual habits are considered natural and separate from matters of procreation, and only among the nobility, where procreation involves issues of inheritance and the union of powerful families, is it considered of vital importance. Yet, even there, a noble who has done their duty to the family might be allowed to pursue their own sexual interests without raising eyebrows.
 
The view on indulging lusts with a member of the same gender varies from land to land. In Orlais, it is considered a quirk of character and nothing more. In Ferelden, it is a matter of scandal if done indiscreetly but is otherwise nothing noteworthy. In Tevinter it is considered selfish and deviant behaviour among nobles, but actively encouraged with favoured slaves. Nowhere is it forbidden, and sex of any kind is only considered worthy of judgment when taken to awful excess or performed in the public eye. (emphasis mine)
 
- from In Pursuit of Knowledge: The Travels of a Chantry Scholar, by Brother Genetivi.
 

 

 

In Thedas, I don't assume anything about someone's sexuality until it's confirmed.  Either through the devs themselves, or in the game.



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I would suggest not assuming sexuality based on nationality.  It's a slippery slope indeed.

 

 This is what World of Thedas on page 72 said about sexuality:

 

 

In Thedas, I don't assume anything about someone's sexuality until it's confirmed.  Either through the devs themselves, or in the game.

 

Yes I know. was the only reasoning i could come up with at this late hour lol.


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Yes I know. was the only reasoning i could come up with at this late hour lol.

LOL Try to get some rest then.  I find that if I post when I'm too tired, I stop making sense after a point.  

 

I'm not being sarcastic when I say that I hope when you sleep, you sleep well.  :)



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Posting with lack of sleep can become entertaining at times.  :lol:

 

And sleep well



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I don't like sleeping a lot.. waste of time that could be better spent on the BSN or gaming in general.. but perhaps i shall it IS almost 4 am... haha



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I don't like sleeping a lot.. waste of time that could be better spent on the BSN or gaming in general.. but perhaps i shall it IS almost 4 am... haha

Haha, it's probably for the best.  I found that if I'm really torn between posting on the BSN, gaming or trying to get some sleep, it's a sign that I should just get to bed.  :P



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My male qunari knight enchanter would love to show her how horny he is.

wait that was lame, but you get the drift. Haha.

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I don't think Cass really needs a reason to be bi, I don't think anyone needs a reason or a justification for their sexuality, it's just a part of who they are. And if you start out thinking someone is straight and learn otherwise, thats it. You've learned something. There's no need to track through their history looking for clues :)

I hope Cass is bi. If she isn't, she isn't, but there's no harm in hoping :)
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I would suggest not assuming sexuality based on nationality.  It's a slippery slope indeed.

 

Dorian being gay throws a wrench in that theory anyway


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Yeah, Cass will be a male LI, just not sure if females will get included.  :)

 

 

I've done that yesterday and lost precious sleep time before work. Always great thing to do, fall asleep at work. Its 5 am and wont leave for another hour and half.