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Romance wise what if you're a straight male mage who's anti chantry?


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#176
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Myself, I was just upset she would experiment with it in the middle of Kikrwall who is not exactly demon or magic-free to begin with.

Elven "technology" for the good of elves. But if Merril messes up, who is gonna pay the price? Humans.

I agree with this reasoning especially compared to blaming her for what Marethari and the Dalish did.



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Merrill's just telling it how it is. :ph34r:

Oh please, Hawke just makes bad situations worse.

So yes, s/he would fit right in with the Dalish.



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If there's anything good about that line, it illustrates just how lonely she really is. Even on a friendly romance. To have only a human share the dreams for your people.



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my Inquisitor would be elf/kossith blood mage who is enemy of Orlais Chantry & Orlais Templars/Seekers & Orlais Empire(would try to kill both Celine and Gaspar) with their Bards and Chivaliers

 

i do not like that Bioware(who even said that our Inquisiton is not related to Orlais Chantry) give us mostly Orlais Chantry and Orlais Empire related peoples(many of them as Cassandra,Cullen, Cole, Lelianna i would enjoy to kill) for companions and especially advisors

 

and yeah i really was not happy that the only non-human and nonChantry/nonOrlais girl in Inquisitor party is a lesbian(why not Vivienne or Cassandra or Scribe girl?)

 

i know that we do not have info about how many and what Li(still hope that many Li would not be from companions) would we have, but i do not see any options for straight non-humans(6 from 8 Inquisitors are non-humans) and non Chantry/non Orlais Inqusitors


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#180
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Oh please, Hawke just makes bad situations worse.

So yes, s/he would fit right in with the Dalish.

:lol:  True based on Hawke's track record.



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Do you honestly think that anything would have happened there if Marethari had stopped poisoning the clan against Merrill and left her alone?

 

You kinda dodged the question. Cause as far as I'm aware, Merathari wouldn't turn the clan against Merrill if she didn't gave her a reason to.


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#182
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You kinda dodged the question. Cause as far as I'm aware, Merathari wouldn't turn the clan against Merrill if she didn't gave her a reason to.

That's not the point. Merrill did something harmless and Marethari overreacted to it. Merrill never gave Marethari a reason to do that anyway, it's one she very nearly pulled out of her ass.



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It's all Fenarel's fault. ;) Not Merathari or Merrill.



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1)Merril deserve elven lover and husband not some shem like hawke

2)Merril was right about studing eluvians as Dalish and Keeper

3)Merethari was a stupid and mindless, selfish old woman(like Elthina) who ruin Mahariel and Merril lifes with lifes of others members of clan and she was a puppet of deamon

4)this thread is not about Merril and DA2 romances



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You kinda dodged the question. Cause as far as I'm aware, Merathari wouldn't turn the clan against Merrill if she didn't gave her a reason to.

 

Considering Marethari uses this in an attempt to coerce Merrill to return to the clan, perhaps the issue is that Xil's view on why the Keeper did this differs from yours.

 

The two disagreed, but I'm not going to blame the former First for the actions of the Keeper. Merrill did extensive research on the Eluvian, to the point of building her own mirror and incorporating the shard she took from Ferelden into it's construction. A highly advanced technological wonder that may have been able to improve the lot of the Elvhen.



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Even if the mirror was tainted or not after her blood magic, her intentions of "saving" her people did not happen. Actually the exact opposite happened. She set events into motion that wouldn't have ever occurred if she made different choices. She didn't help her people and was on a one way street to getting possessed and turning into an abomination town. 



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 Merrill did something harmless

 

Hahaha no.



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Even if the mirror was tainted or not after her blood magic, her intentions of "saving" her people did not happen. Actually the exact opposite happened. She set events into motion that wouldn't have ever occurred if she made different choices. She didn't help her people and was on a one way street to getting possessed and turning into an abomination town. 

That's only because all of her people were assholes. And it was Marethari who set everything into motion.

 

 

Hahaha no.

Very well. Show me where harm came directly from Merrill's actions, unrelated to choices made by anyone else.



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I think Masked Empire kind of shows just how far she was getting from anywhere. She had good intentions, I think, but that demon was screwing with her. Look how useful Imshael is in comparison.


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#190
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If you honestly think blood magic is completely harmless in this universe then I don't think you have been paying attention. 



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If you honestly think blood magic is completely harmless in this universe then I don't think you have been paying attention. 

It can be dangerous, but only if misused. And if you'd point out where her blood magic did anything negative at all, that'd go a long way in helping your case.



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Myself, I was just upset she would experiment with it in the middle of Kikrwall who is not exactly demon or magic-free to begin with.

Elven "technology" for the good of elves. But if Merril messes up, who is gonna pay the price? Humans.

 

I was thinking the elves in the Alienage.



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Even if the mirror was tainted or not after her blood magic, her intentions of "saving" her people did not happen.

 

"Even if"? The fact that Merrill isn't a ghoul after handling the shard (unlike the elves who encountered the remaining shards of the Eluvian in the Elven Ruins in "Witch Hunt") proves that it isn't still tainted by the darkspawn corruption.

 

Actually the exact opposite happened. She set events into motion that wouldn't have ever occurred if she made different choices. She didn't help her people and was on a one way street to getting possessed and turning into an abomination town. 

 

In other words, other people took actions of their own accord, and you're blaming Merrill for what other people did. You're also claiming that Merrill would have ended up like Marethari, despite the fact that even Marethari never claims that she would have released Audacity (and Merrill even tells an aggressive Hawke that she has no intention of releasing the spirit).



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Merrill was going to Sundermount to go and consult with a demon, only to find her keeper had become possessed first. What do you think would have happened if her Keeper hadn't done that? Did you ever take Merrill with you into the fade? She turns on you immediately when the demon mentions he can help save her people, you really think she would have resisted becoming possessed? Because I don't. 



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If you honestly think blood magic is completely harmless in this universe then I don't think you have been paying attention. 

 

Blood magic isn't inherently evil. We have Wardens using blood magic to combat the darkspawn, Finn using a type of blood magic to locate the Eluvian in the Dragonbone Wastes, and Merrill never misuses her blood magic abilities for several years.



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Merrill was going to Sundermount to go and consult with a demon, only to find her keeper had become possessed first. What do you think would have happened if her Keeper hadn't done that? Did you ever take Merrill with you into the fade? She turns on you immediately when the demon mentions he can help save her people, you really think she would have resisted becoming possessed? Because I don't. 

Chatting, presumably. Since it took some kind of major dark ritual to actually release the demon, the odds of Merrill being randomly possessed seem extremely remote. In any case, everyone turns on you in the Fade when a demon makes an offer, with the exception of Anders, who's already possessed; it's a case of mind control within that Fade realm in Night Terrors.



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Merrill was going to Sundermount to go and consult with a demon, only to find her keeper had become possessed first. What do you think would have happened if her Keeper hadn't done that? Did you ever take Merrill with you into the fade? She turns on you immediately when the demon mentions he can help save her people, you really think she would have resisted becoming possessed? Because I don't. 

 

And before anyone throws the lame excuse, "oh, but everyone turns against you!", remember that Merrill was an mage, while your companions were mundanes with no experience resisting demons whatsoever. This makes her more accountable then all the others.



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And before anyone throws the lame excuse, "oh, but everyone turns against you!", remember that Merrill was an mage, while your companions were mundanes with no experience resisting demons whatsoever. This makes her more accountable then all the others.

Anders displays none of his personality whatsoever in the Fade; the realm's strength will overwhelm anyone who steps into it, mage or no.



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Feynriel is the only person I'm proud of in that quest.


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Merrill was going to Sundermount to go and consult with a demon, only to find her keeper had become possessed first. What do you think would have happened if her Keeper hadn't done that?

 

Merrill went to speak with Audacity, which is the same thing she did in order to learn blood magic. Audacity was trapped by powerful magic for over a millennia, since the war between Arlathan and Tevinter. Considering she didn't release Audacity when she originally went to seek knowledge about specialized blood magic, I don't see why you think that would change.

 

You're also glossing over the simple fact that Marethari never claims Merrill would release Audacity, and Merrill explicitly says she won't release Audacity.

 

Did you ever take Merrill with you into the fade? She turns on you immediately when the demon mentions he can help save her people, you really think she would have resisted becoming possessed? Because I don't. 

 

Did you just reference a quest where everybody but Anders is railroaded into trying to commit murder against Hawke after a few seconds of speaking to a spirit?