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Alright, so that's one long title for a pretty anticipated continuation of The Longest Journey saga but here is the first legitimate trailer.

It looks like they inevitably went the episodic route, ugh -- I hate that kind of distribution of a game as it seemingly kills the pacing for me, mostly. Still, I backed the project a while back since I wanted to see it happening, so looking forward to playing. Is excite :3

 


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Have only played The Longest Journey on the Xbox. I can't recall much of it other than the gameplay and story being a bit odd but I remember finding it engaging and appealing enough. 

 

Went to replay it recently but found out it had been taken off LIVE which was a bummer. 

 

The trailer looks good! Will definitely be picking this up. 



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That would be the second game. You should probably pick up the first one on Gog.com to get an idea of what is going on in this one.



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That music tho >>>>>


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That music tho >>>>>

 

Yep - I'm a big fan of it.


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Does the first one hold up well? 

 

Even though it's an older title, I have doubts that my Macbook could adequately handle it. lol. 



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Visual-wise? Hmm, maybe not. But story and narrative wise it's gorgeous. I suppose it would be like me playing Planescape or Fallout 1 today. Sort of. I think you should be able to play it. I know that Grim Fandango can't be played on modern PCs without some adjustments.



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Too bad the Dreamfall games were so underrated. They were pretty good games.



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I picked up TLJ randomly from GoG a few years back and was more then a little impressed. Definitely an underrated hidden gem.

And I'll echo what you guys have already said about having an amazing OST.

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When's the game releasing again?



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"The Longest Journey" is the first game. Its a 2d point and click puzzle adventure game. It is the more highly rated of the two. I have read there are issues (solvable) in running this game on later versions of Windows. There is one puzzle from TLJ that made someone's list of most difficult or convoluted puzzles in the history of gaming. I definitly think that one of the chapters in TLJ may have inspired part of the Leviathan story (DLC in ME3).

 

Dreamfall was a gorgeous game for its time, but less regarded than TLJ.  A combat element was introduced, pretty clunky but not a big part of the game. The ending was a tragic cliff-hanger. The newer game "Remember Me" by Capcom, another company definitely stole some key ideas from Dreamfall.

 

The upcoming game will start to be released in November 2014. It has a miniscule development budget, about 2 million from Kickstarter backers, some more from Nowegian gov't (oil) and whatever they could leverage from lenders. It still looks good. I plan to download a few books at a time, get it after DAI is played out.



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I'm not a fan of episodes either...

 

BUT OMFGIIJFISAJIJFIFUHUGUGS IT'S DREAMFAAAAALLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!


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"The Longest Journey" is the first game. Its a 2d point and click puzzle adventure game. It is the more highly rated of the two. I have read there are issues (solvable) in running this game on later versions of Windows. There is one puzzle from TLJ that made someone's list of most difficult or convoluted puzzles in the history of gaming.


Nothing beats Gabriel Knight 3's Cat Mustache puzzle. Oh dear Lord... the gods were angered by this so much that it not only killed the Gabriel Knight franchise for over a decade, but also is called by many to be the sounding gong of the death of adventure games.

Here is the relevant snip:

The infamous “cat hair moustache” puzzle is outlined here. Spoiler Gabriel is staying at a hotel in the small isolated village of Rennes-le-Château, and in order to carry out his necessary investigations, he will need a bike so that he can follow various suspicious people around. There are tour bikes reserved for the use of the tour group, of which Gabriel is not a member. Hence, in order to hire a bike, he must disguise himself as a member of the tour group. That seems reasonable so far... The person Gabriel ends up trying to impersonate is his old pal Mosely, a police officer from New Orleans (an important character from GK1). To achieve this impersonation, Gabriel must obtain some photo ID, a jacket, a hat, and a fake moustache.

Well, there’s nothing illogical about any of that... except for the moustache. Mosely doesn’t even have a moustache. Deducing that Gabriel has to diguise himself as Mosely WITH A MOUSTACHE does not exactly leap out as a likely course of action. In fact, when Gabriel swipes Mosely’s passport (luring his attention by the judicious use of yummy mint candies which Mosely can’t resist), he actually has to draw a fake moustache onto the photograph in it with a black marker pen. The jacket is easily obtained from the coat rack, and the hat is claimed from the Lost Items box at the Museum Saunière. But the moustache...? Ohhh, it’s a tricky one.

Gabriel cannot snip off a few locks of his own hair to create the fake moustache. He cannot find a joke shop or costume shop from which to buy a fake moustache. There is no wig-maker from which he can buy a toupée from which to snip some hair for the makings of a fake moustache. No... none of these are the answer. Instead, Gabriel must observe a cat near the church of St Mary Magdalen, and attempt to pet it. This causes the cat to hotfoot it into a shed via a hole in the shed door.

If only Gabriel could get hold of some cat fur... but all attempts to grab hold of the cat in order to get a bit of its fur will fail. So why not try somehow to obtain some fur in a more roundabout and crazy way? All it takes is some searching of his hotel room (where he finds a piece of masking tape), a look around the hotel dining room (where he takes a sachet of maple syrup from a bowl on the buffet table), and an instructive view of Abbé Arnaud misting his plants with a bottle of spray mister in the cemetery on the grounds of the Church of St Mary Magdalen (where Gabriel waits until the good Abbé has left, and then grabs the spray bottle).

Gabriel now heads back to the shed. He applies some masking tape to the hole through which the cat entered. He sees that the cat is now on a high ledge, and he aims the nozzle of the spray mister at the cat. The cat leaps down and streaks through the hole in the door. Aha! Gabriel takes the masking tape and observes that it has a considerable amount of black cat fur now attached to it. By picking up the masking tape, the fur is transferred automatically into Gabriel’s inventory. Applying the sachet of syrup to the fur makes a sticky moustache. Adding the cap and the sticky moustache to the borrowed jacket completes the making of the disguise, which Gabriel can then wear in order to fool Bigout, the man in charge of hiring out the bikes.


Feast on the nonsense. Relish in its impossibility. All of this... to rent a bike and go to a location up the street.

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Nothing beats Gabriel Knight 3's Cat Mustache puzzle. Oh dear Lord... the gods were angered by this so much that it not only killed the Gabriel Knight franchise for over a decade, but also is called by many to be the sounding gong of the death of adventure games.

Here is the relevant snip:


Feast on the nonsense. Relish in its impossibility. All of this... to rent a bike and go to a location up the street.

I see your obscure adventure game puzzle and raise it with one Silent Hill 3(Know Your Shakespeare really well) puzzle.

 

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Each stanza represents a play by Shakespeare, and thus you have to order them appropriately. The above quote, for instance, is an obscure reference to King Lear. Oh, you don't know anything about Shakespeare's King Lear? Well, what are you doing playing video games, when you could be studying 15th century English litterature .
If you do happen to be a professor of Shakespeareology, you eventually end up with a five-digit number. There all done --- Or maybe not. Because it so happens the door you're trying to open only takes a four-digit code. That's what the last stanza is for:
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It's telling you to double the number for Hamlet, triple the number for Romeo and Juliet and remove the number for Macbeth. Clearly!

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I see your obscure adventure game puzzle and raise it with one Silent Hill 3(Know Your Shakespeare really well) puzzle.


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Each stanza represents a play by Shakespeare, and thus you have to order them appropriately. The above quote, for instance, is an obscure reference to King Lear. Oh, you don't know anything about Shakespeare's King Lear? Well, what are you doing playing video games, when you could be studying 15th century English litterature .
If you do happen to be a professor of Shakespeareology, you eventually end up with a five-digit number. There all done --- Or maybe not. Because it so happens the door you're trying to open only takes a four-digit code. That's what the last stanza is for:
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It's telling you to double the number for Hamlet, triple the number for Romeo and Juliet and remove the number for Macbeth. Clearly!

Wow. I think the Gabriel Knight example takes the cake in terms of leaps of logic, but that puzzle beats it hands down in terms "no way in hell anyone would solve this on their own" meter. You've got to be kidding me.
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There is one puzzle from TLJ that made someone's list of most difficult or convoluted puzzles in the history of gaming.

I'm guessing the rubber ducky one. I had to redo the entire game about halfway due to missing a specific item. Adventure Games have some of the best, and worst elements for me. It focuses less on game-y mechanics like health bars or segmented Missions/Levels, but it also tends to use Inventory Items in obscure ways, Pixel Hunting, and puzzles which also can be solved in obscure ways.

Enjoyed them more back in the day, but I've taken more of a TotalBiscuit approach as of late. The trailer looks nice, the settings seem fresh enough. Were I more dedicated to that series, I'd probably be Mansqueeing right about now. o.O

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I recently replayed both of the current games and have been looking forward to this one for awhile now. Good stuff, but if they include combat again (meh) I hope it's improved over Dreamfall's (I use a trainer to avoid combat in that game).



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Adventure game puzzles are only REALLY fun when you end up crying from frustration or hating yourself for having to look it up on the web. I hate myself a little bit.

 

For Dreamfall Chapters, they are talking about an open world game or hub world game with open areas. One being a major city. They also are going to use a conversation system with choices that involves internal dialogue. So I'm guessing some of the gameplay will involve conversation based puzzle solving, which would be fun.  What I mean is I imagine some of the gameplay will go beyond pixel hunting and touching and picking up everything you see.

 

Actual in-game wlakthrough: Spoilers. Pre-Alpha video quality.

 

Red Thread has a Youtube channel:

https://www.youtube....RedThreadGaming

 

All the Developer announcements are listed in this forum with discussion by fans. 

http://redthreadgame...uncements-news/

 

 

I have been advised by my lawyers (the gang of cautious and polite thoughts riding around in the back of my head) that I should not have claimed that Capcom's "Remember Me" stole from Dreamfall. They did seem to have borrowed some ideas. I guess the point is that small independent game makers deserve to be supported because they can be freeer to be more creative than the bigger triple A companies.



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21st October it's releasing -- Looking forward to it. Yay!

 

Bad news it's episodic... Booo! I hate that practice.



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21st October it's releasing -- Looking forward to it. Yay!

 

Bad news it's episodic... Booo! I hate that practice.

 

Does that mean they'll make new episodes as people buy the previous ones or have all episodes been made already?



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Can't wait. Dreamfall wasn't much of a game - I considered more of an interactive graphical novel - but the story, the world and the music were mesmerising. Hoping for more of the same, and maybe a little something extra.



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Dreamfall Chapters SE is now available for pre-order on GOG.com with a 15% discount. This is a regionally-priced title so the final price may vary (my price with the discount is $23.89). The SE includes:
 

  • Reborn: The Art of Dreamfall Chapters Book One — a digital art book featuring concept art and illustrations from the first episode of Dreamfall Chapters
  • Journeys Birth — two short stories in PDF and ebook formats, set in The Longest Journey universe and leading up to the events in Dreamfall Chapters (available October 20th)
  • Digital soundtrack featuring music from Dreamfall Chapters Book One in FLAC and MP3 format(available November 1st)
  • Digital Europolis tourist map! Sponsored by Niyom Media and presented by Crowboy, everyone’s favourite crow cowboy (coming soon!)
  • 7 HD wallpapers
  • 5 digital avatars featuring characters from Dreamfall Chapters.


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Kickstarted it so I already have a copy waiting. Yay!



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Has its release date for the PS4 been revealed yet?



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Game is releasing later today for the public. Feel free to post thoughts here.