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[OrayMoor]

I am really concernd about the romance option for Straight female inquisitor.

 

This is what happen to femshep in the ME2&3:

In ME2 Swoman got 3 option, lets say that 33% romanced Garrus, 33% Thane and 33% Jacob. Then they got to ME3. You could only romance garrus if you have romanced him in ME2, so 66% of woman are locked out of Garrus. Then Thane dies, and you can chose to start a romance with Kaiden or die alon. Than Jacob (the basterd) cheats on you with Hawke and his mission was one of the last, by that time you can't start a romance with anybody and your forced to die alon. So in ME3 Sfemale got only 1.33 romance option, Lfemale got 2 (and Samantha was awesome, the Sguys had defently something to be jaluse of, she saves the friking world with a touth brush!!!XD) Gguys got 2 and Sguys got 5. Sfemshep got screwed.

 

In DA2 we basicly got two broody guys (a terorist and an ex slave) and we also always seem to get the romance that ends in death. I'm getting really sick and tierd of those two.

 

I personaly have no intrest what so ever in the Iron bull. I don't mean to offend, he seems like a really cool character. Its just that no self respecting woman would want to date a guy that beds everything that moves.

 

So I want to know if there are others in this forum that have the same worrys as me? And what kind of romances would you want to see in DAI and future Bioware games?

 

In this post we mean no offence to anybody. I congratulat gay guys for geting Dorian he seems like a really cool character, and I am happy that you are finally getting representation. I'm just worrid about the option I will get in DAI, and I would like to disscuss it with my fellow strait woman character planner without being harrased. Thank you for your understanding.

 

I know I have speling mistakes, English is my thierd launguge. So I appologies.

 

When your talking about Sfemale romances, you can refer to which ever game you want : )

[daveliam]

I feel confident that every gender/sexuality combination will get at least two options.  Some might get more with race-gated companions. 

 

Straight females will almost certainly get Cullen and at least one more companion (I'd guess Solas or Blackwall).  Plus, it possible that straight females of certain races (human and qunari most likely) will get Iron Bull as an option.  And some are speculating that straight female dwarves might also get Varric (I'm not convinced, but others are).  That's 2-4 choices out of 8 male characters.  Not bad.

[OrayMoor]

I feel confident that every gender/sexuality combination will get at least two options.  Some might get more with race-gated companions. 

 

Straight females will almost certainly get Cullen and at least one more companion (I'd guess Solas or Blackwall).  Plus, it possible that straight females of certain races (human and qunari most likely) will get Iron Bull as an option.  And some are speculating that straight female dwarves might also get Varric (I'm not convinced, but others are).  That's 2-4 choices out of 8 male characters.  Not bad.

 

Yes but you can't be sure until they confirm it. Plus Blackwall, Cullen and maybe even Solas sound like pretty broody dudes. Also black wall is probably going to die soon. 

I just wish to have a romance with a guy that he is happy more time then he is sad. Garrus was great in my opinion. He is my faivorit Bioware romance.

I wish we got so many option but I highly doubt it will happen. I really don't want to get my hops up and then be disapointed...

[daveliam]

Yes but you can't be sure until they confirm it. Plus Blackwall, Cullen and maybe even Solas sound like pretty broody dudes. Also black wall is probably going to die soon. 

I just wish to have a romance with a guy that he is happy more time then he is sad. Garrus was great in my opinion. He is my faivorit Bioware romance.

I wish we got so many option but I highly doubt it will happen. I really don't want to get my hops up and then be disapointed...

 

There is a huge difference between Bioware not providing you with options and you not liking the options that Bioware provides you. 

 

I didn't like either Anders or Fenris necessarily, but I would never say that Bioware didn't provide me with options.

[OrayMoor]

I personlly would like to have a guy, that is a genius in whatever he does, but also have a really good sense of humor. I'm fine with a dark past as long has this is not the only thing he talks about. And I don't want him to die at the end unless he scrifice himself for my character in a realy romantic way 

[OrayMoor]

There is a huge difference between Bioware not providing you with options and you not liking the options that Bioware provides you. 

 

I didn't like either Anders or Fenris necessarily, but I would never say that Bioware didn't provide me with options.

 

Those option start to becoum a problem, when we get the same sad dying character over and over again.

[Lukas Trevelyan]

I personlly would like to have a guy, that is a genius in whatever he does, but also have a really good sense of humor. I'm fine with a dark past as long has this is not the only thing he talks about. And I don't want him to die at the end unless he scrifice himself for my character in a realy romantic way 

If Solas is a LI, you're going to adore him.

[Lukas Trevelyan]

Those option start to becoum a problem, when we get the same sad dying character over and over again.

I see where your coming from, problem is to a majority of people (namely females), sad dying character is too strong of a selling point for them to skip.

[daveliam]

Those option start to becoum a problem, when we get the same sad dying character over and over again.

 

Wasn't Thane the only male LI who was dying?  I don't know of any others who were dying.  Blackwall might fit that if he is a LI and is close to his Calling.  Otherwise, I don't think you have to worry about your LI dying anymore than anyone else.

[OrayMoor]

If Solas is a LI, you're going to adore him.

 I really hope he is one!

 

 

I see where your coming from, problem is to a majority of people (namely females), sad dying character is too strong of a selling point for them to skip.

Yes, but even those kind fo woman would get sick of it in the end. In my opinion its better to mix things up before everybody can't look at this type of character again.

 

 

I also think that if there is another character that cheats on my character I should have the option to skin him alive, and to put his curps at the entrence of my keep so others will know to fear me!

[Lukas Trevelyan]

Wasn't Thane the only male LI who was dying?  I don't know of any others who were dying.  Blackwall might fit that if he is a LI and is close to his Calling.  Otherwise, I don't think you have to worry about your LI dying anymore than anyone else.

What she's referring to in a way is how the relationship seems to have a tragic plot and a tragic ending, Fenris was insanely emotionally unstable, Anders was a terrorist, Zevran was an assassin who had lost both of his lovers, Alistair lived a difficult life in addition to all of the grey wardens dying affecting him emotionally plus in the end he has his Calling in the matter of a couple of decades. 

Kaidan had a difficult life as well, he could also potentially die in 1, Thane is trying to repent for all the wrong he did plus was dying, Jacob was shallow and ends up cheating on you.

I'm not a girl nor do I play female characters, but I do feel they get the short end of the stick when it comes to straight LIs.

EDIT: Needed to add that her analysis was correct and her concerns are well supported. In Mass Effect 3 if you hadn't previously romanced Garrus and let Ashley live, your straight FemShep is a forever alone lol.

[daveliam]

What she's referring to in a way is how the relationship seems to have a tragic plot and a tragic ending, Fenris was insanely emotionally unstable, Anders was a terrorist, Zevran was an assassin who had lost both of his lovers, Alistair lived a difficult life in addition to all of the grey wardens dying affecting him emotionally plus in the end he has his Calling in the matter of a couple of decades. 

Kaidan had a difficult life as well, he could also potentially die in 1, Thane is trying to repent for all the wrong he did plus was dying, Jacob was shallow and ends up cheating on you.

I'm not a girl nor do I play female characters, but I do feel they get the short end of the stick when it comes to straight LIs.

 

Yeah, I totally understand the "short end of the stick" argument with Thane and Jacob.  I get that.  The rest?  Not convinced.  I'm not trying to be unsympathetic or rude.  I just don't think that the outcomes for the straight female romances are that much worse than any others (outside of Thane and Jacob, which I agree, were total BS).  I think that if straight female have worse or less romances in DA: I, then yeah, I'd side eye Bioware a bit after ME 3.  But, to be honest, until ME 3, I don't think that their options were that bad.

[naddaya]

Yeah, I totally understand the "short end of the stick" argument with Thane and Jacob.  I get that.  The rest?  Not convinced.  I'm not trying to be unsympathetic or rude.  I just don't think that the outcomes for the straight female romances are that much worse than any others (outside of Thane and Jacob, which I agree, were total BS).  I think that if straight female have worse or less romances in DA: I, then yeah, I'd side eye Bioware a bit after ME 3.  But, to be honest, until ME 3, I don't think that their options were that bad.

 

And in DA straight male and female players had pretty much equivalent options, none was particularly favored.

[OrayMoor]

Yeah, I totally understand the "short end of the stick" argument with Thane and Jacob.  I get that.  The rest?  Not convinced.  I'm not trying to be unsympathetic or rude.  I just don't think that the outcomes for the straight female romances are that much worse than any others (outside of Thane and Jacob, which I agree, were total BS).  I think that if straight female have worse or less romances in DA: I, then yeah, I'd side eye Bioware a bit after ME 3.  But, to be honest, until ME 3, I don't think that their options were that bad.

 

Carth and Kaiden were pretty much the same character I found them both boring. We had Sky in JE whose kid got killed and now he is on a quest to avenge her. The only way to get a happy ending with Alister is to covince him to cheat on my character. In DA2 they were all broody and annoying but that was also a Gguys problem. For comparison the female in DA2 were really happy most of the time, you didn't have to spend alot of time listening to them bitching about how unfiar life is. than you have Jacob and Thane that cuse 66% of the femshep to die alon

[Lukas Trevelyan]

Yeah, I totally understand the "short end of the stick" argument with Thane and Jacob.  I get that.  The rest?  Not convinced.  I'm not trying to be unsympathetic or rude.  I just don't think that the outcomes for the straight female romances are that much worse than any others (outside of Thane and Jacob, which I agree, were total BS).  I think that if straight female have worse or less romances in DA: I, then yeah, I'd side eye Bioware a bit after ME 3.  But, to be honest, until ME 3, I don't think that their options were that bad.

It's just there is a certain lack of romance options with a light hearted character & happy endings for straight Shepard and Hawke, compared to their straight male counter-parts. But I'm pretty sure Cullen will be much like Alistair's romance and hopefully Solas will be a LI as well because as I said he's perfect for her and will actually add variety in the options for the straight females.

 

[OrayMoor]

I wouldent call beeing a mistrest of someone a happy ending...

[daveliam]

Carth and Kaiden were pretty much the same character I found them both boring. We had Sky in JE whose kid got killed and now he is on a quest to avenge her. The only way to get a happy ending with Alister is to covince him to cheat on my character. In DA2 they were all broody and annoying but that was also a Gguys problem. For comparison the female in DA2 were really happy most of the time, you didn't have to spend alot of time listening to them bitching about how unfiar life is. than you have Jacob and Thane that cuse 66% of the femshep to die alon

 

Again, not liking your options is not the same thing as not having options.  They can't please everyone.

 

I had access to Sky, Zevran, Fenris, Anders, and Kaidan, as well.  I liked the Sky, Fenris, and Anders romances.  I hated the Zevran romance.  I loved the Kaidan romance.  It's subjective.  That's my point.

[OrayMoor]

Again, not liking your options is not the same thing as not having options.  They can't please everyone.

 

I had access to Sky, Zevran, Fenris, Anders, and Kaidan, as well.  I liked the Sky, Fenris, and Anders romances.  I hated the Zevran romance.  I loved the Kaidan romance.  It's subjective.  That's my point.

But why are they keeping giving us the same pathetic guys over and over again.

[daveliam]

But why are they keeping giving us the same pathetic guys over and over again.

 

That's kind of my point.  I don't think that they are giving "the same pathetic guys over and over gain".  I like most of the mLI options.  I agree with you fully on Thane and Jacob.  The others are kind of subjective.

[OrayMoor]

what is it about those romances that you like so much?

I mean If I had to use emotion to describe the LI in DA2 it will be:

Isabella: fun

Merllil: sweet

Fenris: sad and angry

Anders: sad and angry

[frylock23]

I tend to agree. The broody, tragic man is getting to be a little bit of a retread. I don't have to always "fix" my LI in order for the romance to succeed or be interesting which is basically what is going on.

[daveliam]

what is it about those romances that you like so much?

 

For Sky, it was the first m/m option ever.  While he suffered from Carth Syndrome badly, it was the first romance that I could engage in.  In retrospect, there's some work that could be done with it.  However, I really like that the romance plays out differently for men and women.  He's a thoughtful character and a nice "strong shoulder" type of guy.

 

For Kaidan, what don't I like about his romance.  He's handsome, smart, strong, brave, loyal, funny.  In my opinion, he's a ten out of ten.  I love it.

 

For Anders, I think it makes the story better to romance him.  He's kind of an annoying character, so without romancing him (and, to be honest, while he's a little clingy in the romance, he's really romantic and supportive) it's too easy to dismiss or kill him at the end.  By romancing him, it makes you really face an incredibly difficult decision where neither choice is appealing.  It adds a wonderful tension to that scene.  It's why I chose an Anders playthough as my "canon".

 

For Fenris, I think it's a really interesting storyline to see him slowly open up.  Especially if you are a mage and are romancing him.  It forces him to have a dissonance in his beliefs that causes him to grow as a character.  It's not my favorite romance, but I usually enjoy it when I do a Fenris playthrough.  Plus, Gideon Emory is a fantastic voice actor.

[SilkieBantam]

I tend to agree. The broody, tragic man is getting to be a little bit of a retread. I don't have to always "fix" my LI in order for the romance to succeed or be interesting which is basically what is going on.

Yeah I'm not too crazy about it either. Mind you it's been done well-and can be done well again, but I hope we'll see a good range of personalities. 

[OrayMoor]

For Sky, it was the first m/m option ever.  While he suffered from Carth Syndrome badly, it was the first romance that I could engage in.  In retrospect, there's some work that could be done with it.  However, I really like that the romance plays out differently for men and women.  He's a thoughtful character and a nice "strong shoulder" type of guy.

 

For Kaidan, what don't I like about his romance.  He's handsome, smart, strong, brave, loyal, funny.  In my opinion, he's a ten out of ten.  I love it.

 

For Anders, I think it makes the story better to romance him.  He's kind of an annoying character, so without romancing him (and, to be honest, while he's a little clingy in the romance, he's really romantic and supportive) it's too easy to dismiss or kill him at the end.  By romancing him, it makes you really face an incredibly difficult decision where neither choice is appealing.  It adds a wonderful tension to that scene.  It's why I chose an Anders playthough as my "canon".

 

For Fenris, I think it's a really interesting storyline to see him slowly open up.  Especially if you are a mage and are romancing him.  It forces him to have a dissonance in his beliefs that causes him to grow as a character.  It's not my favorite romance, but I usually enjoy it when I do a Fenris playthrough.  Plus, Gideon Emory is a fantastic voice actor.

I agree with you that romancing Anders makes the story better, he is my canon hawke too. But he wont shut up about his mage thing. I think the bartern with Carver sumraise anders perfectly. It was something along the lins of:

 

Its a terible thing to hate people because they are mages.

I dont hate you because your a mage, I hate you because you wont shut up about!

 

But because he is a terorist it makes his romance sad. He killed inosent people and he gets away with it because he emotinaly manipulated my hawke. I'm telling you this guy is evil and dangerouse. + If your character belives strongly in "the wiked must be punished" than you have another dead character in a romance... One of the reasons I didn't just kill him was because I was hoping my hawke could have littel mage children.

 

The fact that sky was the firsy gay romance dosn't mean he needs to be judged less harshly. Gay romance should be held to the same standerts of anyother romance. In defence of JE I must say that I found the kiss much more rimantic than the sex scens...

[frylock23]

Oh, no doubt, I have nothing against a well-done broody guy, but I'd like to see something different. It ticked me off with Anders when they sort of used it to try to make the end result angsty. There's no question. He just blew up a bunch of people who weren't directly involved. If he'd blown up a bunch of Templars ... I might have strained over that choice more.

 

And Fenris spent 10 years changing too little.