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[OrayMoor]

I've always wondered if in the USA having a gay romance/relationship affects the age rating? I know that in Russia it does ( Sims 4 is going to be rated M there because of the possibility for gay romance), do you think that this is why they didn't include same sex relationship in SWTOR?

[Schreckstoff]

I've always wondered if in the USA having a gay romance/relationship affects the age rating? I know that in Russia it does ( Sims 4 is going to be rated M there because of the possibility for gay romance), do you think that this is why they didn't include same sex relationship in SWTOR?

I doubt they influence it officially, I think Alien sex does though.

[daveliam]

I've always wondered if in the USA having a gay romance/relationship affects the age rating? I know that in Russia it does ( Sims 4 is going to be rated M there because of the possibility for gay romance), do you think that this is why they didn't include same sex relationship in SWTOR?

I have a friend who rates games for the ESRB and she says that it doesn't matter. All sex scenes are treated equally.

[Wulfram]

Dragon Age has always been pretty firmly placed at 18 anyway, I think, with the gore and whatnot

[OrayMoor]

It really makes you wonder what was the reason for not including same sex romaces, doesnt it?

[ebevan91]

At this rate the females are going to have more male LI options than the males will have female LI options.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Let's use SWTOR as an example.  Instead of making 11 romances for straight males and 8 romances for straight females, they could have made 3 straight female characters, 5 bisexual female characters, 3 lesbian characters, 2 straight male characters, 4 bisexual male characters, and 2 gay male characters. 
 
This makes it more "equal" and everyone has more than enough romance options.  Why would this be a bad approach?

Didn't BW & EA get more hate then usual cos they included gay characters in TOR? i remember there being a sh*tstorm about it despite them being far outnumbered by straight romances

[OrayMoor]

I think that people are angry about including gay characters because they are not used to it. Keep doing it with 5 more Bioware games and youll see it wont happen anymore, and it will becaume the norm...

[Grieving Natashina]

@Princess Heya!

 

They never added same sex romances among your companions.  It was the idea of them doing that had so many angry.  They only added s/s flirts in the expansion.  To get the lesbian flirt, you had to roll Imperial; for the gay male flirt, you had to be Republic.  There was gay characters in SW (outside of BioWare) for years prior to that.

[daveliam]

Didn't BW & EA get more hate then usual cos they included gay characters in TOR? i remember there being a sh*tstorm about it despite them being far outnumbered by straight romances

Yeah, but it was as ridiculous as the mass effect porn nonsense that Fox News started.

In SWTOR, there were zero companion romances for s/s players. The devs promised that they were working on romance options for us but two years went by and nothing. Then they released an expansion that raised the level cap and took place after the main storyline. In that expansion, there were two characters that were available for s/s flirts: a female on the republic side and a male on the imperial side. The implications were that to get to the only s/s flirts, you had to play through the entire game and buy the expansion (hence the gay for pay nonsense that people were complaining about). Worse, was that if you were a male republic player or female imperial player, you still got nothing.

Bioware got hammered for a bunch of things: not creating actual romances (just flirts), only creating options for half of the LGB players depending on faction, making players pay extra to get to the gay content, and (my personal favorite) creating a 'gay planet' (since apparently two people on a planet that are gay makes the entire planet gay.....).

I'm not excusing Bioware in this case because it's bullshit that there are 21 romances in the game and I can't access any of them. Three years later and devs have still not made good on their promise for s/s romances. But the 'gay planet' nonsense was stupid. Even worse, for me, were the dozens of dudebro adolescents who proudly announce over chat that they are 'killing the ******' because, of course, the only gay guy in the entire game is kill able....

It was really a D- effort at best from that dev team.

[ElitePinecone]

I'm not excusing Bioware in this case because it's bullshit that there are 21 romances in the game and I can't access any of them

 

Yep.

 

SWTOR is a masterful example of how to disappoint, mistreat, enrage and ignore an LGBT audience all at the same time. 

 

At this point it would've been better if they'd never promised to put in the same-gender romance arcs, because people wouldn't have any expectations to let down. I understand that a lot of their planned future story content would've been affected by layoffs and the general change to F2P, but the way they've been silent about the issue for so long is embarrassing and kinda hurtful. 

 

I guess it might show how much Bioware's support for inclusivity is actually a product of the studio culture at Edmonton and Montreal specifically, rather than being a company-wide thing. Many of the senior team at Austin were veterans of KOTOR, and seemed to have no real enthusiasm for supporting LGBT players. When the promise did come it was vague and kinda reluctant, and obviously there's been nothing about it since then.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

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That sucks, especially the "only non straight guy being killable" thing. It kinda makes me uncomfortable that all the M/M choices have been so easily killable in recent BW games, such as the choice to instantly slash Zevran's throat or Steve always dying in ME3 if Shep doesn't talk to him enough.

[ElitePinecone]

That sucks, especially the "only non straight guy being killable" thing. It kinda makes me uncomfortable that all the M/M choices have been so easily killable in recent BW games, such as the choice to instantly slash Zevran's throat or Steve always dying in ME3 if Shep doesn't talk to him enough.

 

TVTropes has a thing about it.

 

Characters are relatively unsafe in Bioware's games generally, but I always feel terribly uncomfortable when there's a choice to actively kill a gay or bi character, or let them die by inaction, because it *guarantees* some people will take that option in the game out of immaturity or homophobia. 

[Schreckstoff]

TVTropes has a thing about it.

Characters are relatively unsafe in Bioware's games generally, but I always feel terribly uncomfortable when there's a choice to actively kill a gay or bi character, or let them die by inaction, because it *guarantees* some people will take that option in the game out of immaturity or homophobia.

Starting to like that site more and more.

[daveliam]

That sucks, especially the "only non straight guy being killable" thing. It kinda makes me uncomfortable that all the M/M choices have been so easily killable in recent BW games, such as the choice to instantly slash Zevran's throat or Steve always dying in ME3 if Shep doesn't talk to him enough.

TVTropes has a thing about it.

 

Characters are relatively unsafe in Bioware's games generally, but I always feel terribly uncomfortable when there's a choice to actively kill a gay or bi character, or let them die by inaction, because it *guarantees* some people will take that option in the game out of immaturity or homophobia. 

 

I actually like that TVTropes mentions that it's not the same in a "No one is safe" kind of situation and I feel like Dragon Age games are partially like this.  Major characters can (and do) get killed off pretty regularly, so by law of averages, some LGBT people will fall in there as well.  Fortunately, Wade, Herren, Isabela, and Mae are all still alive in the media regardless of your actions, so it's not like every LGBT person can be dead. 

 

But, yeah, I do get kind of annoyed with killable gay guys getting killed by dudebros and then having to see them brag about it online.  I was reading the comments on the State of Decay wiki and there were a bunch of the typical, "He's gay?!?  Well, then I can't wait to feed him to a zombie...." comments about Jacob (the only scripted gay guy in that game).

[Pateu]

 Its just that no self respecting woman would want to date a guy that beds everything that moves.

 

Perhaps you shouldn't expect Bioware to catter to your 20th century mentality?

 

And why the hell is Fenris being a slave a bad thing? You not only discriminate against promiscous people, you also discriminate against victims of slavery?

 

Well, guess what. The Bull doesn't want to romance you either.

 

 

[greywatch]

Well, speaking as a straight woman re: the Iron Bull... I am absolutely gonna hit that.

 

(On an aside, I really enjoyed the romances with Garrus, Thane, and Fenris...)

 

And I always play as a female character whenever I can, but I think Inquisition might be the one where I do something new and romance a female character. Sera and Josephine just seem so interesting; this might be the game.

[DisturbedJim83]

That sucks, especially the "only non straight guy being killable" thing. It kinda makes me uncomfortable that all the M/M choices have been so easily killable in recent BW games, such as the choice to instantly slash Zevran's throat or Steve always dying in ME3 if Shep doesn't talk to him enough.

Could be worse......

 

Matt Lucas in Little Britain as the character most know for the catchphrase "I'm the only gay in the village"

[aTigerslunch]

9Tailsfox:

 

I didn't say anything about horns or no horns.  Honestly that doesn't bother me one bit.

 

I was referencing size of characters commits cinematic challenges, and that they wasn't considering it. They could if they wanted or tried to, may take time to commit.

 

2 race-gated are only up in the air dilemmas right now till they share more. Story-wise race gating is stated by dev's. Which can lead to Vivienne may not like elves, no idea. Iron Bull may prefer other races besides dwarves, no idea.

 

This is what I was trying to say, not sure where you got me saying no horns stuff about, that confuses me.

[Fast Jimmy]

I sometimes sit. Sit and wonder what the forum would look like if Bioware made a game with no romances.

 

Sit. Sit and wonder.

[DuVessa]

Lets cross fingers that Solas is an avelible choice and pray to god that he is not whinny

[DuVessa]

Please...no whinny allowed!!