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[CareBear1023]

I'm not angry with you at all.  I understand that you don't like your options.  I think that it's perfectly fine to not like your option.  I think it's perfectly fine to express to the developers what you would like to see instead. 

 

I also think it's disingenuous to claim that you don't have options when you do, but you just don't like them.  Or to put forward that you have had less/worse options than groups of people who have had considerably less.  But, that's just my opinion.  It's the hyperbole that I find an issue, that's all.

 

When I saw that our "straight" male lead was resigned to a non-companion, based on the Mass Effect, I put forward a concern of what types of choices are available to straight women and gay women because it feels like a pattern.

 

These forums should be where they "test" fan reaction and gather feedback.  I should be able to say that I think the choices suck and I should be able to say when I feel that, yet again, games are designed with males in mind.  It used to be that they were designed with just straight men in mind, but now it seems (to me) to be a guy thing.

 

I have yet to see women complain about SS romance on any forum, and as David Gaider said before he'd rather accomodate those who wish to be inclusive than those who wish to exclude.  We're not on here complaining that there are gay characters, gay storylines,etc  I have yet to read a female who didn't support GLBT inclusion. 

 

Straight male gamers get to be huge babies and still get companions for romance, interesting characters, etc.  Women gamers who have been inclusive the whole time get Cullen--only the catch is that he doesn't actually get to go anywhere with you.

 

Oh fun.

 

Awesome.

 

Super.

 

Maybe he can cheat on me or die, too. 

 

It feels, and it's probably not true, like we're the last people thought of because we weren't a) perceived as being discriminated against and more accomodating.  Women will play male characters whereas very few straight guys will play women.  Women will write to include all options, whereas straight guys will not.

 

And I understand wanting to be the company that sets the bar, and opens the door for people who didn't really have a voice before, it can also be the company that rewards loyal players who wanted to support those decisions.

[Gamemako]

like seriously, they haven't had obviously lesbian and gay characters in a DA game until the third game, that's pretty awful

You mean character or player LI? Wade and Herren were pretty obviously a gay couple, one way or the other.

[Andraste_Reborn]

But in addition to Cullen, we get Iron Bull, and there has to be at least one more male romance option out of the remaining companions who is likely to be either bisexual or straight. If you hate the idea or romancing advisors for whatever reason, you'll be able to pick one of them instead.

[Alan Rickman]

The devs have stated that advisors have gotten just as much time and resources allocated to creating their content as companions, so I see no reason to assume Cullen's, Josephine's or Leliana's content would be "lesser".

[daveliam]

I know it might seem like I'm picking on you or being purposefully obtuse, but I'm just trying to point out a few things. 

 

 

I have yet to see women complain about SS romance on any forum, and as David Gaider said before he'd rather accomodate those who wish to be inclusive than those who wish to exclude.  We're not on here complaining that there are gay characters, gay storylines,etc  I have yet to read a female who didn't support GLBT inclusion.

 

You have a tendency to continue to speak for "all women".  This is a perfect example.  I have seen dozens of posts recently from self-identified straight women who have issues with the amount of LGBT representation, so your point here is incorrect.  I'd say most of the female posters here support LGBT inclusion.  But so do most of the straight male posters too. 

 

Straight male gamers get to be huge babies and still get companions for romance, interesting characters, etc.  Women gamers who have been inclusive the whole time get Cullen--only the catch is that he doesn't actually get to go anywhere with you.

 

Oh fun.

 

Awesome.

 

Super.

 

Maybe he can cheat on me or die, too. 

 

Also not true.  Factually untrue.  The advisors can be deployed for missions.  We've seen Leliana not only play a major role in a quest, but we've seen her traveling as an NPC with the party and participating in the battles.  It was also specified that in this particular playthrough, Leliana was chosen as the advisor, suggesting that Cullen could very well easily be the one there as well (although, I'm sure that this would effect the plot).  We've also seen Cullen in his lion helmet outside of the keep with a weapon and traveling beside the Inquisitor. 

 

The fact is that we don't know what role Cullen will play yet.  You are choosing to believe that his role will be unsatisfactory, but you are basing this on assumptions.  Until we know for sure, we simply can't say that his romance isn't equitable to that of a companion.

[Statare]

You mean character or player LI? Wade and Herren were pretty obviously a gay couple, one way or the other.

 

Um. Herren and Wade were not obvious. never did they say it. And they had to explicitly state outside the game that they were a gay couple. It was a bit like Bert and Ernie or, as In Exile likes this comparison, Dumbledore.

 

I used obvious to refer to characters vocalization: ie a male character being to able to express romantic/sexual affection for the same gendered character or a female expressing desire for another female. The most Wade and Herren had was bickering and use of a camp aesthetic. That's more an inference.

 

And to whoever asked me about Fallout: I'm at a point in my life where I spend over half the year on field work in rural areas around the world. Unfortunately I can only ever play a few games (I just finished ME3 after a few years of playing it in short bursts). I'm not someone to ask about that and I was trying to keep the discussion on BioWare.

[ElitePinecone]

Edit: Kaidan had some dialogue in ME1 that was in the game but no accessible implying he at one point was intended as a m/m romance as well. 

 

This is a common misconception; for ME1 their voice-recording system was fairly primitive, so to prevent accidentally not recording something, they got Meer and Hale to just say every Shepard line regardless of gender. All of that ended up in the game, but you have to mess around with plot flags to get a maleShep/Kaidan romance to work.

 

Kaidan doesn't have any special dialogue for maleShep, and I think he even calls him a woman several times. As far as I'm aware, they never intended to make him an m/m option in the first game. 

[ElitePinecone]

People complained too much about everyone being a bisexual option (and in my opinion the only person that really constantly made it that apparent was Isabela), now instead of having about a dozen options, you only get about two, if that even, while Bioware tries to get something specific in for everyone's specific sexuality. 

 

People either need to just deal with it or get over the whole bisexual thing.

 

wat

 

DA2 didn't have a dozen options. It had four. Two men, two women.

 

DA:I has four - at a minimum. It almost certainly has more, maybe six LIs per gender.

[ElitePinecone]

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I genuinely think you are overreacting to Cullen being an NPC romance. He has as much content as any other character, and being an NPC romance is NOT the same as it was in Mass Effect.

 

You also have other options - probably at least two more, including the Iron Bull. Bisexual romances are not lesser than straight ones, and it's an incredibly unhelpful suggestion to make.

 

Just because you don't like the options they've given you, doesn't make it unfairness or discrimination. 

[OrayMoor]

I'm more bothered by the fact that every time I glance over the thread title, I read that first word as something very different.

 

I don't get it... Whats wrong with the title?

English is my thierd launguge so...

[CareBear1023]

But in addition to Cullen, we get Iron Bull, and there has to be at least one more male romance option out of the remaining companions who is likely to be either bisexual or straight. If you hate the idea or romancing advisors for whatever reason, you'll be able to pick one of them instead.

 

Why would I hate the idea of romancing Cullen?  I hate the fact that he's not a companion and romanceable. 

[Fast Jimmy]

I don't get it... Whats wrong with the title?
English is my thierd launguge so...

You've spelled the word "Concern" wrong in such a manner as to resemble "Cousin" which, in romance discussions, is rather... humorous.

[Alan Rickman]

I don't get it... Whats wrong with the title?

English is my thierd launguge so...

 

Erhm, well... there's a word that could be used to describe trans women that's potentially offensive as far as I know.

[ElitePinecone]

If Sfemale means "straight female", it's probably better to write the whole thing as "straight female". 

[CareBear1023]

I genuinely think you are overreacting to Cullen being an NPC romance. He has as much content as any other character, and being an NPC romance is NOT the same as it was in Mass Effect.

 

You also have other options - probably at least two more, including the Iron Bull. Bisexual romances are not lesser than straight ones, and it's an incredibly unhelpful suggestion to make.

 

Just because you don't like the options they've given you, doesn't make it unfairness or discrimination. 

 

Where did I say that bisexual is lesser?  Some would say I've lived a bisexual life.  I don't think it's lesser.  I'm not the only female in the world nor is female always "straight".  Right now I'm in a straight relationship so I'd consider myself "straight" because I hope this lasts forever.  When I play, I play both straight and lesbian characters.  This thread's title is about straight female romances and I am commenting on the straight female options and lesbian options.

 

This is a feedback forum.  This is where paying customers say what they want.  I don't think that women are the primary audience, right or wrong, but considering that we are the largest work force majority and spend more money than men we should be a market that they consider more fully and more roundly as a for-profit company.

[OrayMoor]

You mean character or player LI? Wade and Herren were pretty obviously a gay couple, one way or the other.

Its funny because you said they were obviously a gay couple, yet I play DAO at least 9 times and I figured out they were gay only last month XD Could you please explaine what was so "gay" in their behavior?

[Ryzaki]

I don't get it... Whats wrong with the title?

English is my thierd launguge so...

 

Just change the title to "Straight female romance options, my concerns."

 

Not trying to be insulting. I JUST CAN'T UNSEE IT. CAN'T UNSEE. *flails*

[ElitePinecone]

Where did I say that bisexual is lesser?  Some would say I've lived a bisexual life.  I don't think it's lesser.  I'm not the only female in the world nor is female always "straight".  Right now I'm in a straight relationship so I'd consider myself "straight" because I hope this lasts forever.  When I play, I play both straight and lesbian characters.  This thread's title is about straight female romances and I am commenting on the straight female options and lesbian options.

 

But you seemed particularly concerned that Cullen as the straight male option for female Inquisitors was "consigned" to NPC status.

 

How is a straight male romance functionally different from a bisexual one?

 

Would the situation have been better if Iron Bull was straight and Cullen was bisexual?

[CareBear1023]

I know it might seem like I'm picking on you or being purposefully obtuse, but I'm just trying to point out a few things. 

 

 

You have a tendency to continue to speak for "all women".  This is a perfect example.  I have seen dozens of posts recently from self-identified straight women who have issues with the amount of LGBT representation, so your point here is incorrect.  I'd say most of the female posters here support LGBT inclusion.  But so do most of the straight male posters too. 

 

 

Also not true.  Factually untrue.  The advisors can be deployed for missions.  We've seen Leliana not only play a major role in a quest, but we've seen her traveling as an NPC with the party and participating in the battles.  It was also specified that in this particular playthrough, Leliana was chosen as the advisor, suggesting that Cullen could very well easily be the one there as well (although, I'm sure that this would effect the plot).  We've also seen Cullen in his lion helmet outside of the keep with a weapon and traveling beside the Inquisitor. 

 

The fact is that we don't know what role Cullen will play yet.  You are choosing to believe that his role will be unsatisfactory, but you are basing this on assumptions.  Until we know for sure, we simply can't say that his romance isn't equitable to that of a companion.

 

I don't think you're picking on me.  I've read your other posts. 

 

I said that I had yet to see a straight female act that way.  Maybe they did, I didn't really see it.  I am also not in a formal debate here or at least I didn't think I was so if I speak in loose generalities I don't see what the issue is.

 

I didn't put this in the other forums because I am not here to "argue" or "debate" other posters.  I am writing in Feedback to Bioware, not you.  I have said that this is a "rant" meaning that I'm conveying feelings and I think I've expressed myself in feeling words.

 

I have spent gobs of money over the years and feel I have a right to a rant.  If I produce hyperbole, what is it to you?  I'm writing ot Bioware as a customer, not in the "Romance" section where I would probably not try to convey a feeling but be more respectful of concepts and ideas.

 

This is how I "feel" right now.  You cannot disagree with how I feel anymore than I can do to you.  It's not an issue of validation by you.  This is feedback to Bioware and feelings are important to them as they will make or break future sales.

 

Why do you feel it is necessary to invalidate people's "feedback" to Bioware?  If you are not a straight female like the original poster, then why post in this thread?  This is a discussion between straight females and Bioware not comments on romance in Inquisition.

 

What's wrong with us being irrational, emotional, or neither of those things as we express our desires for future games?  Isn't this where they get their ideas from?

[Gamemako]

Its funny because you said they were obviously a gay couple, yet I play DAO at least 9 times and I figured out they were gay only last month XD Could you please explaine what was so "gay" in their behavior?

The "couple" part.

[OrayMoor]

The fact is that we don't know what role Cullen will play yet.  You are choosing to believe that his role will be unsatisfactory, but you are basing this on assumptions.  Until we know for sure, we simply can't say that his romance isn't equitable to that of a companion.

 

Lets assume that he is equal or even better then the companion romance. Don't you think that gay guys should to have access to this tip of romance as well? Everybody else does...

[CareBear1023]

But you seemed particularly concerned that Cullen as the straight male option for female Inquisitors was "consigned" to NPC status.

 

How is a straight male romance functionally different from a bisexual one?

 

Would the situation have been better if Iron Bull was straight and Cullen was bisexual?

 

When I wrote this the Iron Bull was not available.  And just like I have been in same sex relationships, I am with a man now and I am straight.  If I were with Iron Bull as a female in the game it's a straight relationship, so it would not be a bisexual relationship.

 

It would be a straight relationship.

[OrayMoor]

Just change the title to "Straight female romance options, my concerns."

 

Not trying to be insulting. I JUST CAN'T UNSEE IT. CAN'T UNSEE. *flails*

 

Question: how do I change the title?

[ElitePinecone]

This was your post from the top of the page, an hour ago:

 

When I saw that our "straight" male lead was resigned to a non-companion, based on the Mass Effect, I put forward a concern of what types of choices are available to straight women and gay women because it feels like a pattern.

 

How is it important that the straight male is an NPC, if you still get other options? There's at least one more man available for female Inquisitors, and probably more than one.

 

I don't think Cullen is even meant to be the lead character, and why would a lead character - if they had one - be straight? 

[OrayMoor]

The "couple" part.

 

Hawerd and Raj from the big bang theory act like a couple and they are not gay...