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[CareBear1023]

Plenty of the men are also unhappy with their options.  This includes the gay men.  Plenty of threads have been made ranting and raving about that.  So no, it's not that there isn't parity.

 

I think the real issue is that this time, BioWare went out of their way to make the characters look more real, and give them their own flaws and features, and some people are unhappy that no one looks like a movie star.  Others, including myself, are pleased that not everyone has the same exact features.  There's variety, we will actually be able to remember these characters, recognize them if we see a screenshot of them as compared to a screenshot of some other character from some other game--in many cases, characters (women in particular) look so similar that they all begin to look alike.

 

Not to derail but I just finished The Wolf Among Us (or what there is of it thus far).  Snow and the murder victim in the beginning of the game are nearly identical, except for eye color, hair style, and what they are wearing.  I'd rather have men and women in Dragon Age: Inquisition who look like individuals.  I don't have to check their eye color or their accessories or their clothing to know who I am looking at.  And, you will find people in every single character thread who find that character attractive.  Even Iron Bull's thread.  So people do not have to look alike to be attractive!  Women aren't being given the short end!  It's just that the characters look more like honest-to-goodness imperfect people.

 

The parity is in companion characters, of which at this moment females do not have.

 

I'm also not asking for "Hollywood models", I brought it up as a sidebar of subjectivity in attractiveness and market research.  Peter Dinklage is an attractive dwarf.  He's hot.  They could have picked a less sexy dwarf but they chose him.

 

They did so because the casting directors were ****** awesome.

 

I have said that Bioware does a great job and that my expecations are higher for them/from them then perhaps they should be.  I am not raining down critique after critique.

 

I said that having a non companion after Mass Effect is a pile of crap.  I said that leaving the companions of romanceable (bi or otherwise) to only nonconventional (especially after ME) is an oversight.

[ElitePinecone]

So why does Iron Bull not count as a romance for women, exactly?

 

Because he is a companion, and you can romance him with a straight female Inquisitor. 

[Brass_Buckles]

Really OP (and those that really want different female romance options) I can recommend you some otome games (both paid and free) filled with f/m romance. You do not need to rely on BW for a romance fix.

 

CareBear is not the OP, and what limited conversation I had with the OP was not anywhere near this negative.

 

But I am in agreement with those who remark that just because this is the feedback forum does not mean it is not also a social forum wherein others are welcome to give their opinions.

 

I'm one of the biggest people to say something if I don't feel like women are being equally treated.  But I'm not going to go around and say "OMG Bioware cares more about the gay people than women!"  Because they don't.  The company is not by any means perfect, either in its treatment of women or the LGBT community, but they are trying.  And that's a whole lot more than a lot of other companies do.  And, if the worst thing we can say is that the romances are not perfectly equal, well... that speaks volumes.

 

They already said that romances will not be perfectly equal.  It may be that because of Cullen's fan popularity, they felt that having Cullen available whether or not he was a companion, would be fine.  And for many people that is probably true.

 

Word is, from another person in another thread, that Solas has been said to be the one we are all most likely to be talking about.  So, if he's available to women, are you going to complain because he's not super-sexy in your opinion, when he may be one of the most interesting characters in the game?  If he is bisexual, are you going to say that women aren't getting sufficiently good companion romances?

 

I've seen enough negativity involved in the romances.  I'm at the point that, while I do enjoy playing the romances, they cause so much forum-drama I'd almost rather BioWare did not include any romances at all for the player character (companions could romance each other instead).

[Ryzaki]

CareBear is not the OP, and what limited conversation I had with the OP was not anywhere near this negative.

 

I know she's not that's why the parenthesis are there.

 

As for no romances I'd be fine with it as long as we had plenty of character customization (and being a jerk had a outcome other than OMG you were a jerk *plot keeps going on the same rails*) I'd love if being an ass lead to good and bad things.

[Brass_Buckles]

The parity is in companion characters, of which at this moment females do not have.

 

I'm also not asking for "Hollywood models", I brought it up as a sidebar of subjectivity in attractiveness and market research.  Peter Dinklage is an attractive dwarf.  He's hot.  They could have picked a less sexy dwarf but they chose him.

 

They did so because the casting directors were ****** awesome.

 

I have said that Bioware does a great job and that my expecations are higher for them/from them then perhaps they should be.  I am not raining down critique after critique.

 

I said that having a non companion after Mass Effect is a pile of crap.  I said that leaving the companions of romanceable (bi or otherwise) to only nonconventional (especially after ME) is an oversight.

 

There is Iron Bull, who can be romanced by straight females and is a companion.  Whether or not you like him (I do not like what I know of him, myself) is a different matter.

[CareBear1023]

It is almost a guarantee that straight women will have access to at least one of the remaining two LI's.  I cannot believe for a second that there will be two gay guys and a bisexual guy.  It's just not going to happen.

 

The most likely situation, straight women will have:

 

* Cullen

* Iron Bull

* One of Varric, Solas, and Blackwall

 

There is even a possibility that they will have FOUR romances in this game (which wouldn't be completely out of the realm of possibility, given that they were the only group that got an extra romance in DA 2, as well).

 

Sebastion was an expansion pack on a game that was kind of "meh".  I didn't buy it and went back to the DA: O and expansions.

 

But thank you, you're right.  I forgot about Sebastion because I wasn't interested in playing the same tunnels and warehouses over and over.

[CareBear1023]

So why does Iron Bull not count as a romance for women, exactly?

 

Because he is a companion, and you can romance him with a straight female Inquisitor. 

 

Where did I say he wasn't? 

[Brass_Buckles]

Where did I say he wasn't? 

 

I cannot speak for Daveliam, but you simply keep omitting him in regard to companion romances.  He is a companion, and he is a romance.  You may not like him, but he's an option for straight female characters.

[CareBear1023]

There is Iron Bull, who can be romanced by straight females and is a companion.  Whether or not you like him (I do not like what I know of him, myself) is a different matter.

 

Right.  Never said he can't be romanced or that he wasn't a companion.  When this thread started and I first posted he was not an option.

 

Still, I'm not that impressed. 

 

But whatever.

 

America, love it or leave it, right?

 

If I don't like something I don't have to buy the software. 

[daveliam]

Bethesda doesn't have romances though...least I haven't noticed any...

 

Did I miss something? I mean the closest you got is KOTOR2 but that was more of a crush that went unresolved. (on the f/m side anyway).

 

Spider Games just released Bound By Flames, which is a fantasy RPG that feels a lot like a Bioware game.  You can play as a male or female and there are two male and two female companions who can be romanced.........by the opposite sex only, btw.  It's why I haven't bought the game.  But I did email Spider Games to express my displeasure and was happy to hear back from the representative the very next day.  She said that they had received other emails like mine and were dedicated to implemented s/s romances in the next game that they are currently working on. 

 

So why does Iron Bull not count as a romance for women, exactly?

 

Because he is a companion, and you can romance him with a straight female Inquisitor. 

 

This.  I don't understand why he isn't being counted.  Everyone has companion romances right now.  And everyone except for gay guys have 1 companion and 1 NPC.

[Ryzaki]

Spider Games just released Bound By Flames, which is a fantasy RPG that feels a lot like a Bioware game.  You can play as a male or female and there are two male and two female companions who can be romanced.........by the opposite sex only, btw.  It's why I haven't bought the game.  But I did email Spider Games to express my displeasure and was happy to hear back from the representative the very next day.  She said that they had received other emails like mine and were dedicated to implemented s/s romances in the next game that they are currently working on. 

 

 

This.  I don't understand why he isn't being counted.  Everyone has companion romances right now.  And everyone except for gay guys have 1 companion and 1 NPC.

 

Ooooh. I heard the combat was atrocious and forgot about it XD

 

Oh that was nice.

[CareBear1023]

I cannot speak for Daveliam, but you simply keep omitting him in regard to companion romances.  He is a companion, and he is a romance.  You may not like him, but he's an option for straight female characters.

 

 

 

 

Sure.  He's awesome if you like one eyes, horns, and a guy who will screw everything that he won't break.  I should be delighted that's the option.

[daveliam]

Where did I say he wasn't? 

 

You implied it here:

 

 

The parity is in companion characters, of which at this moment females do not have.

 

 

Which you posted today, after he was announced as a companion LI.

[CareBear1023]

Spider Games just released Bound By Flames, which is a fantasy RPG that feels a lot like a Bioware game.  You can play as a male or female and there are two male and two female companions who can be romanced.........by the opposite sex only, btw.  It's why I haven't bought the game.  But I did email Spider Games to express my displeasure and was happy to hear back from the representative the very next day.  She said that they had received other emails like mine and were dedicated to implemented s/s romances in the next game that they are currently working on. 

 

 

This.  I don't understand why he isn't being counted.  Everyone has companion romances right now.  And everyone except for gay guys have 1 companion and 1 NPC.

 

 

That's good to know they care (Spider Games) I actually don't buy from companies that don't include GLBT players anymore.

 

Anyway...I am glad you have Dorian in the company and Iron Bull and possibly Varric/Solas/Blackwall.  I understand the remaining romances are bi.

 

Sincerely, I'm glad that you have representation in gaming.  It proves the gaming community is far more inclusive than Hollywood and the public at large.

[CareBear1023]

You implied it here:

 

 

 

Which you posted today, after he was announced as a companion LI.

 

That would be my word choice because I felt I was indicating in that post that I was talking about my original statement.

[daveliam]

That's good to know they care (Spider Games) I actually don't buy from companies that don't include GLBT players anymore.

 

Anyway...I am glad you have Dorian in the company and Iron Bull and possibly Varric/Solas/Blackwall.  I understand the remaining romances are bi.

 

Sincerely, I'm glad that you have representation in gaming.  It proves the gaming community is far more inclusive than Hollywood and the public at large.

 

Well, thank you for those words.

 

Also, know that it's not set that the remaining romances are going to be bisexual.  In fact, many people wonder if one of them might be Varric as a race-gated straight option.  People are assuming that the rest are going to be bisexual, but it's certainly not confirmed at this point.  I would not be surprised at all if it's Vivienne (possibly as bisexual) and one of the guys as a straight option.

[CareBear1023]

Well, thank you for those words.

 

Also, know that it's not set that the remaining romances are going to be bisexual.  In fact, many people wonder if one of them might be Varric as a race-gated straight option.  People are assuming that the rest are going to be bisexual, but it's certainly not confirmed at this point.  I would not be surprised at all if it's Vivienne (possibly as bisexual) and one of the guys as a straight option.

 

I am fine with bisexual options and I'll play lesbian, too.  It's more after Mass Effect when I almost broke the monitor and seeing that women were given Cullen (boring) and then made him a non companion that I was like GRRRRRRR never again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

ahem.

 

I like hair.  I do.  I don't think it's too much to ask that someone in the party that I can romance has hair.  Is it? 

[Ryzaki]

I am fine with bisexual options and I'll play lesbian, too.  It's more after Mass Effect when I almost broke the monitor and seeing that women were given Cullen (boring) and then made him a non companion that I was like GRRRRRRR never again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

ahem.

 

I like hair.  I do.  I don't think it's too much to ask that someone in the party that I can romance has hair.  Is it? 

 

This is frostbite from what I hear the engine doesn't do hair that well. I think we're lucky if we get medium/long hair (for the PC I mean). I don't wanna be stuck with short hair T_T

[CareBear1023]

Word is, from another person in another thread, that Solas has been said to be the one we are all most likely to be talking about.  So, if he's available to women, are you going to complain because he's not super-sexy in your opinion, when he may be one of the most interesting characters in the game?  If he is bisexual, are you going to say that women aren't getting sufficiently good companion romances?

 

Yes?

 

No.

[CareBear1023]

Maybe I'm funny.  When I was with females I wanted them to have hair.  When I was with males I wanted them to have hair.  I think I have a hair fetish.

 

Is there such as things as a Hairsbian?  if so, that's  me.  I'm only sexually attracted to people with nice hair.

[cnmorgan13]

Yeah a bioware game where your lover doesn't die would be nice. Personally I'm a sucker for the broody types, I would be all over cole like a hot rash...if it wasn't for the whole being a child in the head thing lol!

I'm not feeling the romance options as a straight female either. Cullen doesn't float my boat, sir beefcakes is way to old, solas is bald and looks like Richard oBrian....my options are rather limited. I guess I'm riding the bull lol

[cnmorgan13]

Maybe I'm funny.  When I was with females I wanted them to have hair.  When I was with males I wanted them to have hair.  I think I have a hair fetish.
 
Is there such as things as a Hairsbian?  if so, that's  me.  I'm only sexually attracted to people with nice hair.

Oh yeah, it's a thing

[OrayMoor]

When I started this topic discussion, I did not know that there were 8 romances options, I thought that there were only 6. Now that I know there are 8 I feel much calmer about Sfemales chances to get at least one cool romance. For what its worth, I hope that the last romances are bi, so that the max amount of people can gain from them.

 

What I find really disturbing about the Iron Bull, was that. well its a bit hard to explain... Its seems to me that from the anoncement of the character, that Patrick weeks or James Vega (for me the voice actor will be  for ever known as James Vega) anounced prodly that the Iron Bull enjoys sleeping with everything that moves. I personaly find it really disturbing. It shows that our socity thinks that guys that sleep with alot of people are cooler then guys who sleeps with a few people. I think that the guys who are worth admiring are they guys who are capable of being in a reltionship for a long amont of time. Those guys are they guys who are worth idealizing. Not to mention that those guys who sleep with alot of people tend to be iresponsible, douchbags and A-holes.

 

Finaly, I think it will be cool to keep this thread open because there seems to be a really intersting discussion going on, and this thread was also about which types of romances we would like to see in future games : )

 

The guys I find atractive are asian guys with long hair/ponytail and gray/blue eyes. Where there even asian character in DA? I dont seem to remember one...

[Ryzaki]

The guys I find atractive are asian guys with long hair/ponytail and gray/blue eyes. Where there even asian character in DA? I dont seem to remember one...

 

I doubt BW will ever do bishounen Lis the closest they ever came was Fenris.

 

But if you want some there's Persona 3 Portable, Hakouki, Sweet Fuse, (those three are on the PSP and Vita) Backstage Pass (PC) that's coming out an inevitable HORDE of Voltage inc games (they're exclusively on Android and IOS though but there's IYAT, MFW, PIL, SITSC, MSBD, TX, KoR, TDWMD, Knight, BMP, BMP2, and there's more I just can't remember them off the top of my head). There's whole sites dedicated to english f/m romance games filled with bishies galore.

 

While I'd like if BW gave me LIs I prefer the looks of I'm fine with one.

[CareBear1023]

Asian dudes with long hair are hot.  That guy Rain in Ninja Assassin blew me away.