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[ebevan91]

What I'm worried about the most is straight male LI options for DA:I.

 

We have 3 possible LIs. Cass, Viv, and Scribbles. 

 

Sure that's not bad right? Well we also have potential race-restricted romances (dwarf, human, etc.).

 

ON TOP OF THAT, 2 of the 3 possible straight male romances are dark skinned. Right now I'm leaning towards romancing Scribbles if she's available, but that's really only because Cassandra's short hair puts me off. I'll probably romance her if Scribbles is unavailable. Viv is a no-go for me.

[Nefla]

I'm a straight female and other than ME3 (which I find bad in most ways, not just LI choice) I have generally been satisfied by the romance options we've gotten. I'd like a big burly manly man for a change, but I've still liked the existing LI's. It's a lot of the female LI's I've felt were lacking or boring such as Dawn Star, Merrill, Leliana, Miranda, and Isabella. The only male LI I've thought was very boring or lacking was Jacob.

[Joy Sauce]

What I'm worried about the most is straight male LI options for DA:I.

 

We have 3 possible LIs. Cass, Viv, and Scribbles. 

 

Sure that's not bad right? Well we also have potential race-restricted romances (dwarf, human, etc.).

 

ON TOP OF THAT, 2 of the 3 possible straight male romances are dark skinned. Right now I'm leaning towards romancing Scribbles if she's available, but that's really only because Cassandra's short hair puts me off. I'll probably romance her if Scribbles is unavailable. Viv is a no-go for me.

Is dark skin bad or something? Is that point really worthy of "ON TOP OF THAT," written in angry all-caps?

 

Also I suspect that the only race-gated romances are going to be Varric and Iron Bull, but don't quote me.

[ebevan91]

Is dark skin bad or something? Is that point really worthy of "ON TOP OF THAT," written in angry all-caps?

 

Also I suspect that the only race-gated romances are going to be Varric and Iron Bull, but don't quote me.

 

It's not really a bad thing per se, but as a white maleI prefer white women, but I am willing to give Scribbles a shot.

[themikefest]

 

and Samantha was awesome, the Sguys had defently something to be jaluse of, she saves the friking world with a touth brush!!!XD)

 

Yes she is awesome. And her VA is one of the voices for femquisitor

[SerCambria358]

What I'm worried about the most is straight male LI options for DA:I.

 

We have 3 possible LIs. Cass, Viv, and Scribbles. 

 

Sure that's not bad right? Well we also have potential race-restricted romances (dwarf, human, etc.).

 

ON TOP OF THAT, 2 of the 3 possible straight male romances are dark skinned. Right now I'm leaning towards romancing Scribbles if she's available, but that's really only because Cassandra's short hair puts me off. I'll probably romance her if Scribbles is unavailable. Viv is a no-go for me.

Exactly, i dealt with Sera being female only but with race gating narrowing down the list even more, its going to be a pain. Im still confused as to what stopped them from making the companions player sexual.

 

Im hoping race gating is only due to issues between the varying heights, otherwise i dont really see a reason for it to be included because more negative comes out of it than positive 

[ebevan91]

Yes she is awesome. And her VA is one of the voices for femquisitor

 

I loved her accent so I may have to play Femquisitor first.

[Vindicare175]

What I'm worried about the most is straight male LI options for DA:I.

 

We have 3 possible LIs. Cass, Viv, and Scribbles. 

 

Sure that's not bad right? Well we also have potential race-restricted romances (dwarf, human, etc.).

 

ON TOP OF THAT, 2 of the 3 possible straight male romances are dark skinned. Right now I'm leaning towards romancing Scribbles if she's available, but that's really only because Cassandra's short hair puts me off. I'll probably romance her if Scribbles is unavailable. Viv is a no-go for me.

 

Just going to say... Maybe Dagna might end up being a LI for Male Dwarfs at the very least if Varric ends up being fem-dwarf only.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Im still confused as to what stopped them from making the companions player sexual.

I don't think anyone understands that.  I certainly don't.

 

There was no downside at all to DA2's approach.

[Will-o'-wisp]

Exactly, i dealt with Sera being female only but with race gating narrowing down the list even more, its going to be a pain. Im still confused as to what stopped them from making the companions player sexual.

 
 

I don't think anyone understands that.  I certainly don't.
 
There was no downside at all to DA2's approach.

I'm really happy that they dropped the playersexuality thing and are going with set sexualities again, so I guess I understand it. But this whole Topic has been discussed to death already, especially in the romance discussion thread, so let's better not go on with this.

[SerCambria358]

 I'm really happy that they dropped the playersexuality thing and are going with set sexualities again, so I guess I understand it. But this whole Topic has been discussed to death already, especially in the romance discussion thread, so let's better not go on with this.

WHy not? Its a thread about romances on the feedback section, i dont see an issue with it as long as no one is belligerent 

[Lukas Trevelyan]

I'm a straight female and other than ME3 (which I find bad in most ways, not just LI choice) I have generally been satisfied by the romance options we've gotten. I'd like a big burly manly man for a change, but I've still liked the existing LI's. It's a lot of the female LI's I've felt were lacking or boring such as Dawn Star, Merrill, Leliana, Miranda, and Isabella. The only male LI I've thought was very boring or lacking was Jacob.

Objectively, non of these romances were anything near boring. Miranda had an excellent professional attitude when it came to the romance even when she let her guard down a couple of times, she didn't even say "I love you" unless she dies. Leliana is an overall interesting character to know and had a really decent romance, she's more about feelings than sex and she really does love you, showing it with a few quirky moves. Isabella is more fun than you think, even when she seems shallow and all about sex, on the rivalmance you actually tend to change the person she is, instead of a selfish, greedy, coward she begins to understand responsibility and such and stays by Hawke's side and she does that because she loves Hawke. Friend-mance she still won't leave your Hawke's side and shows signs of how she knows how selfish she is and how she's willing to change, add to that you could potentially escape together on her ship but the conversation is pretty bugged. 

As stated, each of these romances are completely different characters and experiences than one another, and each are pretty enjoyable not just satisfactory.

[OrayMoor]

I'm a straight female and other than ME3 (which I find bad in most ways, not just LI choice) I have generally been satisfied by the romance options we've gotten. I'd like a big burly manly man for a change, but I've still liked the existing LI's. It's a lot of the female LI's I've felt were lacking or boring such as Dawn Star, Merrill, Leliana, Miranda, and Isabella. The only male LI I've thought was very boring or lacking was Jacob.

I disagry with you on that. In my opinion there where mostly two kinds of character romance for female.

The avrege nice guy: Alister, Jacob, Carth, Sky and Kaiden. I could never figure out whats the diffrence between them in turm of personality...

The whiny: Anders, Fenris. Do you really need to ask why? seriously I don't understand were does the stereotyp of female like to ****** about stuff come from. In biowere romances guys do it all the time.

 

JE spoilers

 

Spoiler

In JE it turns out that down star was the dauter of master Lee, and she was born on the day he burnd durge. I think it makes the romance with her more intersting.
Plus in JE Both the male romance have concetion to the main story. Sky is just some guy you picked on the way...

[Sheepie Crusher]

Unfotunately the marketing still thinks most of the gamers are male(which is an improvement, a few years ago it was straight male twelve year olds) and as such they get more romances

[Innsmouth Dweller]

stereotypes exist for a reason. anyway, it really seems like they have some sort of template for the sfemale LIs, doesn't it? creepy boy next door (Alistair/Kaidan), guy with tragic past (Carth/Thane/Fenris), manw***e with feelings (Zev/Jacob), b***h-slap worthy drama queen (Fenris/Anders). thank the Maker for Garrus, shame the romance itself was so awkward, and the pickup line, oh my... but shooting bottles (or whatever those things were) in ME3 was simply awesome, although i liked the non-romance version more.

 

on topic once more: it appears you're in minority if it comes to males in DA.

 

so am i. but i'm used to not having romances in games so it doesn't bother me that much 

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

I don't think anyone understands that.  I certainly don't.
 
There was no downside at all to DA2's approach.

Cos so much bisexuality in a game was "unrealistic" or something
It annoyed me as a bi woman that people thought only characters like Isabella or Zevran were "realistic" as being bi but someone like Merrill wasn't cos she was virginal

[OrayMoor]

Cos so much bisexuality in a game was "unrealistic" or something
It annoyed me as a bi woman that people thought only characters like Isabella or Zevran were "realistic" as being bi but someone like Merrill wasn't cos she was virginal

 

I agree with you complitly, I feel like the characters who are bi are always the ones who sleep with everybody. Plus the unrealistic theory is complitly ridiculos for 2 reasons:

1. bi people do exist.

2. Dragons do not exist and I don't see anybody complain about thier apirence in the game, don't I?

[daveliam]

I disagry with you on that. In my opinion there where mostly two kinds of character romance for female.

The avrege nice guy: Alister, Jacob, Carth, Sky and Kaiden. I could never figure out whats the diffrence between them in turm of personality...

The whiny: Anders, Fenris. Do you really need to ask why? seriously I don't understand were does the stereotyp of female like to ****** about stuff come from. In biowere romances guys do it all the time.

 

Seriously?  You don't see a difference between Alistair and Carth in personality?  Or Jacob and Kaidan?  I don't think the problem is the LI option; I think the problem is that you aren't paying attention to the characters.  There are tons of differences between the five guys that you listed.

[OrayMoor]

Seriously?  You don't see a difference between Alistair and Carth in personality?  Or Jacob and Kaidan?  I don't think the problem is the LI option; I think the problem is that you aren't paying attention to the characters.  There are tons of differences between the five guys that you listed.

Then explain what are they? In turm of personality.

When I think about it there is even alot of similarity between their backgraond story...

Both Carth and sky lose a family member because of one of the bad guys.

Both Alister and Kaidan are sent away from thier home to a bording school.

[daveliam]

Then explain what are they? In turm of personality.

 

Alistair is naive, immature, and uses his goofy humor as a self-defense mechanism.  He's generally good natured, but is easily petulant if you disagree with him.  Plus, you can 'harden' his personality to be more logical and decisive and less emotional.  Once in the romance, he's a romantic, but it's less confident and more awkward and adolescent.

 

Kaidan is more of a "classic" leading man for women.  He's genuinely nice, but he's also got an opinion.  His sense of humor is more wry.  He's smart and often offers a counterpoint to Shepard.  He's supportive of Shepard, but will also challenge him/her if he disagrees with him/her.  He's also got a romantic side, but is more confident and mature.

 

Carth is bitter, defensive, and aggressive at first.  He has major trust issues and it takes quite some work from Revan to de-ice him.  He's definitely more emotional than logical.  He's got highs and lows throughout the relationship, going from being romantic and supportive, to aggressive and confrontational.  He also suffers from Carth Syndrome, so a bulk of his romance is around his getting over his dead wife.

 

Sky is a bit like a combination of Kaidan and Carth.  He's supportive and "nice" with a sense of humor, but he suffers HARD from Carth Syndrome (having not just a dead wife, but also a dead daughter).  His romance, however, is less about "learning to trust again" and more about "learning to let go".  Even though he's the least "original" of these guys, he actually came before Kaidan, so it's more accurate to say that Kaidan is a bit like Sky minus Carth.

 

Jacob is nothing like these other guys.  He's not really emotional at all.  I tried doing this romance once with one of my femShep's and it was pretty darn boring.  It starts being pretty one-sided (with Shep being the aggressor), and I never really got the impression that Jacob was "in love" so much as "hooking up with" Shep.  He's super professional and not emotional at all.  In fact, it was like trying to get blood from a stone.  To me, he's more of a supporting character than a leading man because he's just not that interesting and doesn't give much beyond the one questline with his father.

 

I think that these guys are all different.  Their personalities are different.  Their storylines are different.  Their romance arcs are different.   

[Sylvius the Mad]

I'm really happy that they dropped the playersexuality thing and are going with set sexualities again, so I guess I understand it.

Could you explain it to me? Because I really don't get it.

Since the DA2 approach could be perceived either as herosexuality OR "everyone is bi", I just don't see which players weren't served by that.

[simpatikool]

 

if anyone is going to listen though, i believe it is bioware. and i think more people are releasing that girls make up a huge demographic of gamers. i think dragon age team has done a better job in my opinion than mass effect team. so i hope that you find someone good in inquisition - be it solas or cullen maybe. 

 

I agree with your points. I also would add that Bioware is a business and they realize the more overall inclusive they can make their games, the more people they will attract. I am quite sure when the produced BGI for instance, they imagined the demographic to be primarily male. They wrote the LI component of their stories with that in mind. Over time they have learned, explored and evolved their model. I find that to be perfectly acceptable for anyone. Look how much more their games have improved over time?

[Nefla]

I disagry with you on that. In my opinion there where mostly two kinds of character romance for female.

The avrege nice guy: Alister, Jacob, Carth, Sky and Kaiden. I could never figure out whats the diffrence between them in turm of personality...

The whiny: Anders, Fenris. Do you really need to ask why? seriously I don't understand were does the stereotyp of female like to ****** about stuff come from. In biowere romances guys do it all the time.

 

JE spoilers

 

Spoiler

In JE it turns out that down star was the dauter of master Lee, and she was born on the day he burnd durge. I think it makes the romance with her more intersting.
Plus in JE Both the male romance have concetion to the main story. Sky is just some guy you picked on the way...

I know you disagree. That was the reason I offered my differing opinion: To show that not everyone feels the same as you and not everyone is dissatisfied. I'm just curious, if you haven't liked any romance option so far, what kind of person do you want to romance?

 

Objectively, non of these romances were anything near boring. Miranda had an excellent professional attitude when it came to the romance even when she let her guard down a couple of times, she didn't even say "I love you" unless she dies. Leliana is an overall interesting character to know and had a really decent romance, she's more about feelings than sex and she really does love you, showing it with a few quirky moves. Isabella is more fun than you think, even when she seems shallow and all about sex, on the rivalmance you actually tend to change the person she is, instead of a selfish, greedy, coward she begins to understand responsibility and such and stays by Hawke's side and she does that because she loves Hawke. Friend-mance she still won't leave your Hawke's side and shows signs of how she knows how selfish she is and how she's willing to change, add to that you could potentially escape together on her ship but the conversation is pretty bugged. 

As stated, each of these romances are completely different characters and experiences than one another, and each are pretty enjoyable not just satisfactory.

Neither of our opinions is objective, It's an opinion. You feel those characters are interesting, I don't. I've seen the "defrosting ice queen" the "sweet girl next door" the "sexy vixen" etc...many times and it's old to me. Where you find Leliana's romance endearing, I find it creepy, etc...

[daveliam]

Neither of our opinions is objective, It's an opinion. You feel those characters are interesting, I don't. I've seen the "defrosting ice queen" the "sweet girl next door" the "sexy vixen" etc...many times and it's old to me. Where you find Leliana's romance endearing, I find it creepy, etc...

 

I'm not sure if people are using the term "objectively" accurately.  I think that this is part of the "problem" in this thread where some people are arguing by using their opinions as facts.  I just fundamentally don't agree that the male LI's are any more "stereotypical" as the female LI's, but others do.  Meh.  YMMV, I guess.

[Lukas Trevelyan]

 

Neither of our opinions is objective, It's an opinion. You feel those characters are interesting, I don't. I've seen the "defrosting ice queen" the "sweet girl next door" the "sexy vixen" etc...many times and it's old to me. Where you find Leliana's romance endearing, I find it creepy, etc...

I'm not sharing my opinion, I just gave a short summary of how each romance went and how different each one was from the other. The idea is if you don't like this one's story but you might like this one's story etc... And they're all well written. You don't like any of them, fine. Straight Females didn't have as many options or as much variety and that was the point of my post so I apologize for any misunderstanding.