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[OrayMoor]

I don't think your opinion is silly. I think your refusal to accept evidence is silly. You don't actually respond the hobbies that listed. You list 'loving her clan' as a 'hobby' for Merrill but then dismiss other people's examples as 'not hobbies'. It's just not logical. It's clear to me that you have convinced yourself that the male characters are somehow inferior and that's it. Fine, but then own that as your subjective opinion

So merilils hobby is to study elven history. Happy?

[Andraste_Reborn]

 

First of all Princess Sun Lian has a Hobby, which is to lead a double life as silk fox I'm pretty sure its very time consuming.

 

Well, yeah, but other than Sun Lian and Black Whirlwind, the other Jade Empire characters don't talk about much outside the job at hand and a bit about their back stories. Sky is hardly alone in not having a hobby. Moreover, we only hear about what Silk Fox and Black Whirlwind do during their time off because it's relevant to the story - sneaking around in disguise is what brings Silk Fox into contact with you, and Black Whirlwind's hobby is actually the same as his job, only with more booze. What I'm saying is that this problem  - if it is one - is not confined to the male love interest here.

 

Since when does being an ass is an hobby? If so then there are thousend of haters on the internet would be happy to hear that they finaly have a life.

 

As far as we can tell, it's how Anomen spends most of his leisure time . More seriously, daveliam already pointed out that he's obsessed with the trappings of knighthood.

 

About alister, the gray warden died, so his hobby is dead?

 

Um, no, I didn't say being a Grey Warden was his hobby. I said playing with his Grey Warden hand puppet was a hobby. (A deeply silly one, but that's Alistair for you.)

 

So you agree that Thane dosent have a hobby?

 

Not one that we hear about, unless praying counts. However, we only know him for the last year of his life, probably not even that. There's every chance he did something for fun before he found out he had a terminal illness and decided he should spend the time he had left wrapping up loose ends.

 

There is no need to moke me, this is my opinion. You don't see calling your opinion silly.

 

You're entitled to your opinion - if you don't like any of the male love interests in BioWare games, that's fine. I don't like some of them myself. (Carth and Jacob, I am looking at you ...) But saying that none of them have hobbies or like things is just obviously wrong. There's a few that really are obsessed with their work to the exclusion of all else and have a dark outlook on life - Fenris is one, Thane is another - but there are others that are interested in many different things and enjoy life - like Alistair and Zevran and Garrus.

[OrayMoor]

Well, yeah, but other than Sun Lian and Black Whirlwind, the other Jade Empire characters don't talk about much outside the job at hand and a bit about their back stories. Sky is hardly alone in not having a hobby. Moreover, we only hear about what Silk Fox and Black Whirlwind do during their time off because it's relevant to the story - sneaking around in disguise is what brings Silk Fox into contact with you, and Black Whirlwind's hobby is actually the same as his job, only with more booze. What I'm saying is that this problem  - if it is one - is not confined to the male love interest here.

 

 

 

 

As far as we can tell, it's how Anomen spends most of his leisure time . More seriously, daveliam already pointed out that he's obsessed with the trappings of knighthood.

 

 

 

 

Um, no, I didn't say being a Grey Warden was his hobby. I said playing with his Grey Warden hand puppet was a hobby. (A deeply silly one, but that's Alistair for you.)

 

 

 

 

Not one that we hear about, unless praying counts. However, we only know him for the last year of his life, probably not even that. There's every chance he did something for fun before he found out he had a terminal illness and decided he should spend the time he had left wrapping up loose ends.

 

 

 

 

You're entitled to your opinion - if you don't like any of the male love interests in BioWare games, that's fine. I don't like some of them myself. (Carth and Jacob, I am looking at you ...) But saying that none of them have hobbies or like things is just obviously wrong. There's a few that really are obsessed with their work to the exclusion of all else and have a dark outlook on life - Fenris is one, Thane is another - but there are others that are interested in many different things and enjoy life - like Alistair and Zevran and Garrus.

 

I didn't say I didn't like all of them, I really liked Garuss, and I thought that Zeveran was pretty cool. 

I'm just saing they tend to fall to the same troops more then the females do. Like the boring averege guy, the whinning guy, the dead loved ones, the dying guy. They tend to have the same personality, and less devaloped intrest.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I'm just going to talk about DA romances, because I only really know them well enough and, really, DA romances are what matters in this forum.

 

 

Female Characters;

 

Morrigan -

She was raised by Flemeth in the woods, what could be good about that? She believes her mother is setting her up to steal her body and her mother is the only person she's ever really known more than brief encounters. She has an extreme distrust of men, especially, which comes up often. She eventually gets pregnant and runs away, or just leaves if you refuse the pregnancy/ritual.

 

Leliana -

Her ex-lover, Marjolaine, betrayed her and left her to die, which lead to her undergoing a faith based epiphany. A big part of her character arc is hunting down her ex and possibly killing her. Like Morrigan, she openly talks about manipulating others, which makes it difficult to trust her completely. It's later implied she's basically a spy for the current Divine.

 

Isabela - 

Her mother converted to the Qun and sold her into marriage when she wouldn't convert, as well. She had her husband killed (by Zevran!) and she stole his ship. She's an ex-slaver that drown a shipment of slaves to save her own ass. She has extreme difficulties trusting or commiting. She's selfish and some things she says in DA2 are shown to be lies in other materials. She continues to sleep with other people while in a romance.

 

Merrill -

 

She feels like an outcast in her clan. To compensate for her inability to connect, she obsesses over the Eluvian, thinking she'll give something back to her people and they'll eventually understand. All the while she pushes them farther away and this just intensifies her obsession. Eventually this obsession destroyed her tribe and never even paid off with a fixed Eluvian.

 

 

Male Characters;

 

Alistair -

Royal bastard who was basically pushed into the templars. He was forced to oversee a Harrowing where the mage had to put down and it seems to have made him bitter towards the templars. He seemed happy to join the grey wardens instead and looked at Duncan as a sort of father figure, but all the wardens he'd connected with died. He fears responsibility and doesn't like to lead, but he's being expected to challenge the throne. 

 

Zevran -

Groomed from a young age to be a Crow assassin. He killed his ex-lover and then found she was innocent. It's implied the man that comes to ask him to return to the Crows or kill him otherwise is also an ex-lover. He has trust issues and trouble commiting. 

 

Fenris -

Ex-slave that went through an extremely painful procedure that gives him unique powers. He has amnesia, but later finds that he fought for the opportunity to get the lyrium brands in exchange for the freedom of his mother and sister. His sister sells him out to his old master. He has issues with intimacy and is extremely broody. His romance is much harder if you play a mage, do to his extreme vitriol towards them.

 

Anders -

All he ever wanted was a free, simple life, but he's been hounded by templars trying to keep him locked up since he was young. He gets drafted into the wardens, which is just another form of loss of freedom. He merges with Justice to try to help the mages. In Kirkwall he sees extreme abuses inflicted on the mages and can still do little about it. Eventually he snaps and blows up the Chantry to force change.

 

Sebastian -

His family was killed and he flip-flops on killing those who killed them, then on whether or not to take back the throne from those now holding it, or to stay a brother of the Chantry. He has a past involving a lot of partying and such, but now he's extremely religious. He's pretty immature and can never seem to make up his mind about anything. He's a chaste relationship, which many people don't like. Eventually his mother figure is killed in the Chantry blast and he demands you kill Anders or he'll leave, ending the relationship.

 

 

Basically, these are all extremely troubled people with very rocky pasts. There are no LIs in DA with "nice" backgrounds. In Origins the only LI that doesn't have obvious ulterior motives is actually Alistair. In DA2 everyone is a HUGE mess. I don't think you can expect DA to always try to make up for things the ME team has done. They've kept it pretty even in this regard. In fact, females had one more LI than males have had, overall. I wouldn't honestly worry too much about DA being fair to straight women. I think they've been at least fair, thus far.

[Grieving Natashina]

 

<snipped a wonderful post for space>

 

Hey Mort?  I'd like to have my braincell back.  This is the third time today that you've managed to post exactly what I was thinking.  

[Tayah]

Well, yeah, but other than Sun Lian and Black Whirlwind, the other Jade Empire characters don't talk about much outside the job at hand and a bit about their back stories. Sky is hardly alone in not having a hobby. Moreover, we only hear about what Silk Fox and Black Whirlwind do during their time off because it's relevant to the story - sneaking around in disguise is what brings Silk Fox into contact with you, and Black Whirlwind's hobby is actually the same as his job, only with more booze. What I'm saying is that this problem  - if it is one - is not confined to the male love interest here.

 

 

Not sure that it matters but I believe Dawn Star liked gardening in JE while Sagacious Zu was obsessed with watching over Dawn Star whom he was supposed to have killed but couldn't and then sought redemption by making sure she lived. But yeah, characterisation in JE wasn't actually very deep for any character except perhaps master Li. It was still a fun game though. 

 

I think there will be plenty of opportunities for straight female romances though with 4 male companions plus Cullen still not known (though I think Cullen will be available to ladies at the very least the unknown part is if he's straight or bi) there's still plenty of possibilities yet. Really it's probably too early to tell about characters and how they'll turn out (I have to keep remembering that for Sera as I'm still not that keen on her and she's the only LI I know for sure is available to lesbian PCs) so we may be pleasantly surprised and find that actually all the characters are diverse and interesting as friends and romances for various inquisitors. Especially if Carth syndrome is avoided altogether this time. Here's hoping anyway 

[Ryzaki]

While all of the DA LIs have been insane I do really want a f/m LI that's stable, non jerkwad, supports the PC and can take care of himself. I'm tired of being all my companions therapists.

 

Saving the world with a bunch of people I wouldn't trust to lead to lunch doesn't inspire my PC with confidence.

[OrayMoor]

I suggest we agree to disagree about the priviouse Bioware romance. I meant for this post to be mainly to discuss the future and not the past... So what kind of romances would you like to see in DAI/future Bioware games?

[OrayMoor]

While all of the DA LIs have been insane I do really want a f/m LI that's stable, non jerkwad, supports the PC and can take care of himself. I'm tired of being all my companions therapists.

 

Saving the world with a bunch of people I wouldn't trust to lead to lunch doesn't inspire my PC with confidence.

 

You have no idea how much I agree with you on this.

[frylock23]

What kind of romance would I like? A partner, not a project. I think it would even be interesting if there were the barest hint of rivalry there, and I'm not talking the mage hatred thing, just the capable woman? Really?

[Nefla]

Just cross your fingers with me that Solas is the male bisexual LI OP!

[Lucijenifer]

There's more to Bioware games than romance, I wouldn't worry too much. Expect an equal number for every gender and orientation combination. Beyond that? Does it really matter?

[OrayMoor]

There's more to Bioware games than romance, I wouldn't worry too much. Expect an equal number for every gender and orientation combination. Beyond that? Does it really matter?

 

Well, yes it does. Many people enjoy the romance feature in Bioware games and they are really fun to talk about. I don't have friends who likes Bioware games like I do, so I can't really talk about it with them. BSN gives me the people and place to talk about the games I love and the romances are a feature in those games.

[OrayMoor]

I must addmit I'm a bit disapointed that Cullen is a romance in this game. I mean character that got a romance one will never get a romance again. I would rather prospon Cullans romance to the next game and romance him as a companion...

[Lilaeth]

I wouldent call beeing a mistrest of someone a happy ending...

 

Depends on how you played the game - i married him.  And as we were both Wardens, we would go off on our Calling together - don't tell me that's not romantic!   I do tend to agree with you though.  DA2 and ME were not great for the straight female looking for romance.

[OrayMoor]

Depends on how you played the game - i married him.  And as we were both Wardens, we would go off on our Calling together - don't tell me that's not romantic!   I do tend to agree with you though.  DA2 and ME were not great for the straight female looking for romance.

 

I can see your point, but the worden disapeard so... Why can't we never get a happly ever after? 

[Lilaeth]

My female Hawke and Anders did - i didn't kill him, so they're off somewhere, being happy!    I did romance Kaidan in ME, and that was enjoyable.  Bioware, of course, spoiled that ending.  But I recall seeing a lot of scorn being poured on players who wanted ME3 to have a 'happy' ending.  Maybe the writers have spent too much time reading crappy romance novels, I don't know.

[CENIC]

Depends on how you played the game - i married him. And as we were both Wardens, we would go off on our Calling together - don't tell me that's not romantic!

It's never going to stop stinging that the only way to get a happy ending with King Alistair was to play as a Human Noble.
The fact that I had to agree to him impregnating Morrigan so we could both survive was also a knife in the gut.
I had the "option" to play as a female Cousland, or to not make Alistair king, sure... but that doesn't make it better.

I never romanced Zevran (every time I'd make a Tabris I'd lose interest) so I don't have an opinion there.

I don't have a strong opinion on either Anders or Fenris. Hawke wasn't exactly headed for a happy ending, regardless of your choices - and I can't even headcanon a happy ending for some of mine. I appreciated that I could play any class I wanted and the relationship dynamic wouldn't be turned on its head.

I also rivalmanced Sebastian and I'm seriously upset his entire plot has been dropped like a hot potato as of DA2's Exalted March expansion cancelation. That romance had nothing but light flirting and yet I thought it had some incredible potential. I was convinced after hearing Sebastian's line: "The Prince of Starkhaven and the Viscountess of Kirkwall? It would be the strongest alliance the Free Marches has ever seen. But let's cross that bridge when we come to it. I will offer you no less than a prince." ...that choosing to side with the Templars and becoming Viscountess in the epilogue would mean a badass political marriage alliance.

At this point in time I'm expecting only one of my female Inquisitors to have a romance, and that will be a human mage with Cullen. If there isn't anyone else I find interesting/attractive, well, I did do three for three romanced Hawkes in DA2, each with a different character, so I can't really complain.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I always imagine my Hawke ran away with Anders, like they talked about near the end. I imagine they're just hiding out and helping the mages somewhere. I'm going to keep thinking their ending was happy until proven otherwise.      

[Schreckstoff]

I always imagine my Hawke ran away with Anders, like they talked about near the end. I imagine they're just hiding out and helping the mages somewhere. I'm going to keep thinking their ending was happy until proven otherwise.

Well my Hawke is sailing the seas on Isabellas ship slowly building an armada

[CENIC]

I always imagine my Hawke ran away with Anders, like they talked about near the end. I imagine they're just hiding out and helping the mages somewhere. I'm going to keep thinking their ending was happy until proven otherwise.

My mage Hawke was twice as violent and revolutionary about mage freedom as Anders. That's... the main reason why I don't think she'll have a happy ending.
The idea of a good-hearted Hawke who is able to suppress Justice and lead Anders down a (if only slightly!) more moderate road is a heartwarming one.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

My mage Hawke was twice as violent and revolutionary about mage freedom as Anders. That's... the main reason why I don't think she'll have a happy ending.
The idea of a good-hearted Hawke who is able to suppress Justice and lead Anders down a (if only slightly!) more moderate road is a heartwarming one.

I played a sarcastic mage Hawke as my main one and he started out not really caring about anything, but came around to believing the mages did need to stand up and do something. He's not quite as reactionary as Anders, though, and I like to think over time he could maybe get Anders to chill out a little on the blowing things up. lol

[Battlebloodmage]

I think Solas would offer a lighter romance for the female inquisitor. I'm hoping that he's the exclusive straight option. Girls need love, too.

[Battlebloodmage]

I must addmit I'm a bit disapointed that Cullen is a romance in this game. I mean character that got a romance one will never get a romance again. I would rather prospon Cullans romance to the next game and romance him as a companion...

You'd be romance him in a nursing home at this point. He's in his mid-30s' already. This seems to be the conclusion of Cullen's story anyhow, considering this is the accumulation of the mage-templar war. I would have prefer him to be a companion over Blackwall. 

[OrayMoor]

You'd be romance him in a nursing home at this point. He's in his mid-30s' already. This seems to be the conclusion of Cullen's story anyhow, considering this is the accumulation of the mage-templar war. I would have prefer him to be a companion over Blackwall. 

Yeah you have a point, and I agree with you, I'd rather have Cullen has a companion then blackwall and maybe a chevalie as an edvisore...