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[karushna5]

Carth and Kaiden were pretty much the same character I found them both boring. We had Sky in JE whose kid got killed and now he is on a quest to avenge her. The only way to get a happy ending with Alister is to covince him to cheat on my character. In DA2 they were all broody and annoying but that was also a Gguys problem. For comparison the female in DA2 were really happy most of the time, you didn't have to spend alot of time listening to them bitching about how unfiar life is. than you have Jacob and Thane that cuse 66% of the femshep to die alon

I don't know, I mean if you are saying that because they even have dark pasts(kaiden, which really it was very minor, Alistair et all)

 

then I would say every Bioware character has a dark past on the most part. I mean you say they are happy, and they are, but Isabela was sold to her husband and her romance is about letting her know she can be loved, Merrill is exiled or has to kill her clan, Morrigan has to leave forever and only in a DLC can be reunited. Most tragic backstory goes to Jack, Miranda hates the fact she was cloned and has been running from her cruel father, lelianna was a malicious spy who was betrayed by her lover and went to the Chantry to escape her past. Tali not only is from a species with no homeworld, but she has to stand trial due to her fathers crimes right after his death, or be exiled. And even can commit suicide, if you choose the geth over her people. Dawn Star was abandoned and has deep issues about it only to find her father is actually the archvillian who cares nothing about her. Silk Fox had to watch her father wither from her as a child and find he is a ghost who has done an abominable act, right before you kill him forever.

 

Liara is mostly okay and even she has to deal with her mother's death and becomes much more hard after becoming shadowbroker then see her planet be overcome by the Reapers.

 

Ashley, as far as I can tell lacks a dark past. My point being that most characters have dark pasts or die tragically or have huge issues in Bioware games, its their hook. especially romances. Straight women did get less in ME3. As far as the other games being tragic? i think that comes with the territory.

[Vaseldwa]

I think Solas would offer a lighter romance for the female inquisitor. I'm hoping that he's the exclusive straight option. Girls need love, too.

 

Solas would make a good Bi option, and make Cullen the straight only romance(imo). Of course if IB is a LI then he could be the bi LI given his description. However regardless of what they do its fine, I just hope us straight girls get at least 3 options. For me I wouldn't mind varric, solas and cullen or at least one of them idk. I dont want to hope for too much.

You'd be romance him in a nursing home at this point. He's in his mid-30s' already. This seems to be the conclusion of Cullen's story anyhow, considering this is the accumulation of the mage-templar war. I would have prefer him to be a companion over Blackwall. 

Age doesn't really matter imo, I think varric is 40 now and I still want my female cadash to romance him. In my mind any of my Female inquisitors will be in there mid to late 30's so it good regardless. 

[daveliam]

Solas would make a good Bi option, and make Cullen the straight only romance(imo). Of course if IB is a LI then he could be the bi LI given his description. However regardless of what they do its fine, I just hope us straight girls get at least 3 options. For me I wouldn't mind varric, solas and cullen or at least one of them idk. I dont want to hope for too much.

Age doesn't really matter imo, I think varric is 40 now and I still want my female cadash to romance him. In my mind any of my Female inquisitors will be in there mid to late 30's so it good regardless. 

 

You're pretty much guaranteed Cullen.  I would be completely gobsmacked if they made him a romance and not available for females.  So it's all but confirmed that you will get one of the guys that you want.  The other two?  Not as sure.

[OrayMoor]

Only two companions have been confirmed as LIs with clear sexualities at this point and Dorian was only confirmed last week. So gay men and lesbians each know of only one option and straight men and women don't know any. We know almost nothing. It feels a bit early to insinuate that straight females should be concerned by this.

 

You might be totally right, maybe it is to early. But some people are worried and its nice to have a place to talk about it...

[CareBear1023]

There is a huge difference between Bioware not providing you with options and you not liking the options that Bioware provides you. 

 

I didn't like either Anders or Fenris necessarily, but I would never say that Bioware didn't provide me with options.

 

I basically joined the forum to complain.  I've been an EA customer for years.  I have been a straight female gamer in RPG since I could walk, tabletop and computer/console.  EA does not think about straight women.  They cater to straight male fantasies and now gay male fantasies.  Even the lesbian choice is so obvious, make her an elf and a waif.

 

In DA:! We are given Cullen the dour and I'll be the bald ugly elf.  I'm so sick of this as a person who's paid super huge money to EA over the years.  I should just go back to Bethesda Softworks.

 

I don't care that there are gay characters.  Why should that bother anyone?  If you don't want to have gay sex in your game then don't have gay sex.  What bothers me though is that the lead writer DOES think about that, but hasn't yet proven he thinks about what straight women want.

 

At all.

 

Skyrim is like DAII in that everyone can be with anyone.  That's cool, awesome and how it should be.  You purchased the game, the world should be yours with all the endless possibilities denied you in the cubicle world most of us exist in.  Now, I get to once more be reminded of how "real" the game is by making the only people available to me as options a) someone who can't follow my party around (Cullen) and someone bald and gross looking.

 

Fantastic, Bioware.  Just fantastic.

[DisturbedJim83]

We do know that Cullen is at least bi unless they literally completely disregard everything from the mage Origin in DAO.

Nope Cullen is confirmed straight on the Raptr Q&A

[daveliam]

I basically joined the forum to complain.  I've been an EA customer for years.  I have been a straight female gamer in RPG since I could walk, tabletop and computer/console.  EA does not think about straight women.  They cater to straight male fantasies and now gay male fantasies.  Even the lesbian choice is so obvious, make her an elf and a waif.

 

In DA:! We are given Cullen the dour and I'll be the bald ugly elf.  I'm so sick of this as a person who's paid super huge money to EA over the years.  I should just go back to Bethesda Softworks.

 

I don't care that there are gay characters.  Why should that bother anyone?  If you don't want to have gay sex in your game then don't have gay sex.  What bothers me though is that the lead writer DOES think about that, but hasn't yet proven he thinks about what straight women want.

 

At all.

 

Skyrim is like DAII in that everyone can be with anyone.  That's cool, awesome and how it should be.  You purchased the game, the world should be yours with all the endless possibilities denied you in the cubicle world most of us exist in.  Now, I get to once more be reminded of how "real" the game is by making the only people available to me as options a) someone who can't follow my party around (Cullen) and someone bald and gross looking.

 

Fantastic, Bioware.  Just fantastic.

 

Just to remind you:

Bioware has created 28 males who can be romanced (including Cullen and Dorian).  26 (or 93%) of those males can be romanced by females.  7 (or 25%) of those males can be romanced by males.  I'd not be so quick to say that Bioware caters to "gay male fantasies" and "doesn't think about straight women". 

I understand that you are not happy with your options so far, but Solas hasn't been confirmed yet (it might be Blackwall or possibly a non-advisor, non-companion NPC).  Right now, you know that you have Cullen (who many straight women asked for) and at least one more option to be determined. 

[Bugsie]

My troll sense is tingling.

 

It's fairly obvious that this person hasn't even bothered to check out some of the other threads on the forum or likely bothered to actually engage with the writers or developers here or on other social platforms.

 

I vehemently disagree with 1 post troll.  Bioware is the one company where I feel I'm being noticed as a consumer and female gamer.

 

And Solas looks pretty cool.  I like bald dudes.  Subjective opinion is subjective.

[CareBear1023]

Just to remind you:

Bioware has created 28 males who can be romanced (including Cullen and Dorian).  26 (or 93%) of those males can be romanced by females.  7 (or 25%) of those males can be romanced by males.  I'd not be so quick to say that Bioware caters to "gay male fantasies" and "doesn't think about straight women". 

I understand that you are not happy with your options so far, but Solas hasn't been confirmed yet (it might be Blackwall or possibly a non-advisor, non-companion NPC).  Right now, you know that you have Cullen (who many straight women asked for) and at least one more option to be determined. 

 

They first cater to straight guys, then gay guys get it next.  And bravo to you guys, btw, not facetious.  I can't imagine being shut out of gaming for so long.

 

I would like to take a stab at women next.  Lesbians and straight women are stuck with stereotypes (****** or virgins) to play and doofuses and hookers to romance. 

 

IF it is a cool female (Morrigan or Flemeth) its so off limits and glimpses.  Just once, just once let us be the "Morrigan" instead of the guy getting to date her. 

[daveliam]

They first cater to straight guys, then gay guys get it next.  And bravo to you guys, btw, not facetious.  I can't imagine being shut out of gaming for so long.

 

 

I absolutely cannot understand the rationale behind this statement at all.  I really want to know what you are basing this off of.  The only two males that are gay exclusive are Dorian and Steve. Gay males have been the most neglected group.  We've only had options in 5 out of the 11 games with romances in them and we've only had a choice in our LI in three of those games.

 

Are you suggesting that somehow Dorian and Steve are superior to all of the straight female exclusive males?  Because Steve wasn't even a squad member and suffered from Carth Syndrome badly and Dorian we don't know about yet.  Every other male that gay guys have had access to (a whopping 5 out of the remaining 26, btw) were also options for straight females.  I don't see how gay males are being "catered to" any more than females.  Please explain.

[KaiserShep]

They first cater to straight guys, then gay guys get it next.  And bravo to you guys, btw, not facetious.  I can't imagine being shut out of gaming for so long.

 

The order I've seen has been primarily straight male > straight female > gay female > gay male. Take Mass Effect. No gay male option existed until ME3. Exclusive same sex options for either gender have not existed in either the Dragon Age or Mass Effect franchise until their third chapters.

[Ryzaki]

The order I've seen has been primarily straight male > straight female > gay female > gay male. Take Mas Effect. No gay male option existed until ME3.

 

Yeah this. I can imagine being a bit bummed Cullen and Cassandra weren't confirmed as straight originally but they were today so...I don't get the complaints.

[Allan Schumacher]

I disagree with the notion that we cater towards gay men.  I mean, until DAO did we even have a romance for gay men?

 

That said, I don't disagree that we could do better by women (i.e. Mass Effect 3).  The problem I have though is that when talking about romance content, there seems to be a good number of straight females that are excited about their romance prospects as well.  So I have conflicting perspectives that, based on what has been released so far, about whether or not we're being appreciative towards women in this game and their potential romance partners.

[daveliam]

I disagree with the notion that we cater towards gay men.  I mean, until DAO did we even have a romance for gay men?

 

Yep, but only one.  Just Sky in Jade Empire.  And he was really easy to miss as a male PC.

 

The m/m guys have been:

 

Sky (JE)

Zevran (DA: O)

Anders (DA 2)

Fenris (DA 2)

Kaidan (ME 3)

Steve (ME 3)

Dorian (DA: I)

 

And that's it.......unless you have anything to add below Dorian, Allan......?

[OrayMoor]

There is no need to escalte this disscution. I todally think we are capable of calmly discussing this subgect like mature adult.

Both sides are right. On one hand, yeah female got alot more exclusive romance then Gguys, but on the other hand Gguys get to play guys in 95% of the games they play. 

Dorian is hot! and he sounds like an awesome, charming, funny character. There are alot of woman who are really jaluse of Ggays right now. You can eather tell them "well you got more option then us until now, so shut up, you have nothing to complain about" which will probably end up in making people rage. Or you can be "I know how you feel, it sucks to be locked out of content you really want accese to, I wish you could have romanced him too, but sadly its not possible. Maybe Bioware will add special gay friend content, that would be kind of neat", people will get over it and be happy for you. They just need to rage a little first, you can help it pass quicker if you'll be nice to them.

Point is: making who is the poorest contest isn't going to help anybody. 

Some Swomans are just worried that with Gguys, Sguys, Lwomans Swoman are going to be forgotten.

It might seem silly to you, but I hope you can understade where those people are coming from...

 

I already wrote that in my opinion female romances can be separated to 3 categorise:

The nice guy

The whinny guy

The male hore

 

Atraction is a complitly personal thing. But you can clearly see when a character was designed to be hot (Dorian), and when he was designed to appeale to man (Iron Bull), and when atractivness wasent on the list (Solas, even if he wasnt balled I wouldnt call Nicolas Cage hot. Bioware take Orlando Bloom as your elf next time!!!  ).

[daveliam]

There is no need to escalte this disscution. I todally think we are capable of calmly discussing this subgect like mature adult.

Both sides are right. On one hand, yeah female got alot more exclusive romance then Gguys, but on the other hand Gguys get to play guys in 95% of the games they play. 

Dorian is hot! and he sounds like an awesome, charming, funny character. There are alot of woman who are really jaluse of Ggays right now. You can eather tell them "well you got more option then us until now, so shut up, you have nothing to complain about" which will probably end up in making people rage. Or you can be "I know how you feel, it sucks to be locked out of content you really want accese to, I wish you could have romanced him too, but sadly its not possible. Maybe Bioware will add special gay friend content, that would be kind of neat", people will get over it and be happy for you. They just need to rage a little first, you can help it pass quicker if you'll be nice to them.

Point is: making who is the poorest contest isn't going to help anybody. 

Some Swomans are just worried that with Gguys, Sguys, Lwomans Swoman are going to be forgotten.

It might seem silly to you, but I hope you can understade where those people are coming from...

 

I agree that a "who's had it worst" contest isn't productive.  However, I'd also point out that we are only talking about Bioware games, so the "gay guys can play as guys in 95% of the games they play" argument doesn't hold water because in every Bioware game with romances, you can roll a female PC.

[CareBear1023]

I absolutely cannot understand the rationale behind this statement at all.  I really want to know what you are basing this off of.  The only two males that are gay exclusive are Dorian and Steve. Gay males have been the most neglected group.  We've only had options in 5 out of the 11 games with romances in them and we've only had a choice in our LI in three of those games.

 

Are you suggesting that somehow Dorian and Steve are superior to all of the straight female exclusive males?  Because Steve wasn't even a squad member and suffered from Carth Syndrome badly and Dorian we don't know about yet.  Every other male that gay guys have had access to (a whopping 5 out of the remaining 26, btw) were also options for straight females.  I don't see how gay males are being "catered to" any more than females.  Please explain.

 

 

I've been playing RPGs since the 1990s, and in general females are 2nd class citizens,  Bethesda Softworks and Bioware being the only ones that even consider female gamers. 

 

Witcher?  Male lead.  Legend of Zelda?  Male.  Think of all the male leads on games that are out there and you can see why Bioware was so important to female gamers.  I have been replaying all my Dragon Age just getting ready for inquisition and then I started reading how there will only be 2 leads for straight females, one of which is not actually a companion, and the one "cool" female that we know from other games is off limits if you want to play as a lesbian.

 

This is another Mass Effect all over again and I get so pissed off that I've spent so much money over the years only to be taken for granted because they know we have nowhere else to go but Skyrim. 

 

We don't even get Varric.

[CareBear1023]

I disagree with the notion that we cater towards gay men.  I mean, until DAO did we even have a romance for gay men?

 

That said, I don't disagree that we could do better by women (i.e. Mass Effect 3).  The problem I have though is that when talking about romance content, there seems to be a good number of straight females that are excited about their romance prospects as well.  So I have conflicting perspectives that, based on what has been released so far, about whether or not we're being appreciative towards women in this game and their potential romance partners.

 

You cater to MEN, gay and straight was my point.

[CareBear1023]

There is no need to escalte this disscution. I todally think we are capable of calmly discussing this subgect like mature adult.

Both sides are right. On one hand, yeah female got alot more exclusive romance then Gguys, but on the other hand Gguys get to play guys in 95% of the games they play. 

Dorian is hot! and he sounds like an awesome, charming, funny character. There are alot of woman who are really jaluse of Ggays right now. You can eather tell them "well you got more option then us until now, so shut up, you have nothing to complain about" which will probably end up in making people rage. Or you can be "I know how you feel, it sucks to be locked out of content you really want accese to, I wish you could have romanced him too, but sadly its not possible. Maybe Bioware will add special gay friend content, that would be kind of neat", people will get over it and be happy for you. They just need to rage a little first, you can help it pass quicker if you'll be nice to them.

Point is: making who is the poorest contest isn't going to help anybody. 

Some Swomans are just worried that with Gguys, Sguys, Lwomans Swoman are going to be forgotten.

It might seem silly to you, but I hope you can understade where those people are coming from...

 

We are the last person thought about, and to a degree I understand.  It is important to me to, always has been, that the GLBT community has a home in nerd world.  But I feel like after being so supportive and encouraging gay gaming and fighting with straight guys over their wails about Zevran that we're sort of left out of the thought process.

 

BUT, I spend money, too.  Isabella was the Jessica Rabbit of the gaming world.  The only non-sagging boobs in Kirkwall.  I went lesbian because she was the coolest character.  Who did straight females get?  Whiney Fenris and Emo Anders.  Not Varric, the ONLY cool non whiney character

 

I was SO LOOKING FORWARD to this game because when the writing is HOT it's the best company out there, and to find out that the straight female option doesn't even get to be a companion with you is like wtf?  Again?

[OrayMoor]

The problem with Cullen being the strait option is that he is not a companion which means he is pretty much gareteed to have less content then anybody else. Sfemales are the only one who got an exclusive NPC, all the other ones got exclusive companions...

[daveliam]

I agree with you that straight males are catered to. But you have yet to explain how gay males have been catered to. Playing a straight male PC does not cater to me any more than it does to you. I mean that. I don't identify with them at all, so I'm not sure how games like the Witcher cater to me. And your original argument was the BIOWARE catered to gay men over straight women. Please provide me examples of how.

[Ryzaki]

The problem with Cullen being the strait option is that he is not a companion which means he is pretty much gareteed to have less content then anybody else. Sfemales are the only one who got an exclusive NPC, all the other ones got exclusive companions...

 

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Apparently the advisors got the same word budget as the companions and you can only talk to companions in the keep. So I have pretty high hopes that he'll be decent.

 

But if you want a f/m companion LI there's most likely the male bi companion.

[OrayMoor]

I agree with you that straight males are catered to. But you have yet to explain how gay males have been catered to. Playing a straight male PC does cater to me any more than it does to you. I mean that. I don't identify with them at all, so I'm not sure how games like the Witcher cater to me. And your original argument was the BIOWARE catered to gay men over straight women. Please provide me examples of how.

 

Lets assume that the Witcher includes a gay romance, will you concider that is cater to you?

Who knows we might find out that Garelt was gay all along XD

[daveliam]

Lets assume that the Witcher includes a gay romance, will you concider that is cater to you?

Who knows we might find out that Garelt was gay all along XD

 

Yes.  If Geralt was gay, then I would feel like that game catered to gay men.  But Geralt being a hypersexual straight male does not feel like it caters to gay men.  I understand that being a man comes with it's own privileges, but I don't see how Bioware games cater to gay men over straight women.  I'm really genuinely trying to understand this argument, but it's not making any sense to me.  I'm not trying to be difficult; I'm trying to understand.