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[Lilaeth]

Given how ugly the toons are now, I've decided that it's a case of Celibacy FTW! 

[Tayah]

There is no "gay type" and it's pretty crazy that people assume this. There are gay and bi males that are attracted to literally every type of male, and the same is true with straight people. I've seen different gay guys on the BSN alone hoping and praying for literally every male companion to be an LI. There really is no way to cater to every gay person or every straight person and there's no way to avoid some people being let down if you have set sexualities. You'd literally have to announce sexualities before you even showed us the characters and, even then, there'd be people that took issue to the choices.

 

Yep the same is true with gay and bi women as well, I've seen literally every female companion being hoped for desperately as well and in the end some of us are going to be disappointed and some thrilled like everyone else until we actually get the game and meet the characters and find out how different they all are to our limited perceptions at this point anyway. 

 

What I think is important is that everyone gets a roughly equal amount of choices and content for those choices. It would be nice to try to offer variety here and there. Otherwise, people expecting their personal interests catered to are really expecting too much. Doing so is someone else's disappointment. I've just come to realize that a lot of people genuinely don't realize that their preferences aren't necessarily shared by the vast majority of people in or out of their demographic. They legitimately believe a character they find unappealing is a slight to the entire community. Personally, I admit that I was surprised when I realized how many people were romantically interested in Iron Bull and then I realized it was just my own limited perception at flaw, but some people will just sit and argue with the facts no matter how many people come in and tell them the character has a huge fanbase that doesn't see it their way. I'm still a little baffled by that attitude. 

 

This is very true.

 

I also have to remind myself that my preferences aren't a good guide to what other people will look for in a romanceable character - like you I was surprised at the number of people who ~wanted~ Iron Bull, and to a lesser extent Blackwall, only because I'd struggle to see either of those characters as suitable or "attractive" options.

 

It takes some effort to consciously recognise our own limitations and acknowledge that other people have competing ideas of attractiveness, and perhaps to realise that both those views are valid. 

 

I don't have to remind myself my preferences aren't a good guide to others preferences I'm always surprised when other people seem to like the same characters I do. I was surprised by Sera being the lesbian option because I didn't see her as an "attractive" option and so many others did that I'd almost figured she would be straight or bi due to her popularity... classic mistake I know that now.   

 

(That said, I'm getting increasingly annoyed at the people who loudly insist that Cassandra or Vivienne could never be attractive to "straight guys", despite the large amount of people who very obviously find them pretty.)

And yes this is really annoying, I think they're both really attractive designs but in full disclosure I'm a lesbian who speaks only for herself. Others be they straight or gay are entitled to their opinions but not to claims they speak for everyone else. Attractive is subjective and as others have already shown many of us like different things and that's a good thing I think. 

[Vindicare175]

Given how ugly the toons are now, I've decided that it's a case of Celibacy FTW! 

 

Aren't opinions just lovely? You say ugly. I say they look pretty damn good.

[OrayMoor]

I must addmit I'm alot less concerned about Sfemale options now that I know there are going to be 8 romance options. I mean 8 romance option? Holy **** Bioware you have really out done yourself!!!

[9TailsFox]

I must addmit I'm alot less concerned about Sfemale options now that I know there are going to be 8 romance options. I mean 8 romance option? Holy **** Bioware you have really out done yourself!!!

8 do you have link to conform it? I never heard this. I had concerns for smale romance options but no more Josephine is perfect my Inquisitor and  Josephine will take over Thedas using Diplomacy.

 

[Grieving Natashina]

One of the devs confirmed that there was 8 romances in a thread yesterday.  I'm trying to dig it up now.

[OrayMoor]

http://dragonaging.t...age/91318721588

[Grieving Natashina]

http://dragonaging.t...age/91318721588

I literally just found it and was typing my post.  

[9TailsFox]

http://dragonaging.t...age/91318721588

I found it but still thanks, have a cookie.

[Grieving Natashina]

That's a really sweet picture.

[DuVessa]

I am really concernd about the romance option for Straight female inquisitor.

 

This is what happen to femshep in the ME2&3:

In ME2 Swoman got 3 option, lets say that 33% romanced Garrus, 33% Thane and 33% Jacob. Then they got to ME3. You could only romance garrus if you have romanced him in ME2, so 66% of woman are locked out of Garrus. Then Thane dies, and you can chose to start a romance with Kaiden or die alon. Than Jacob (the basterd) cheats on you with Hawke and his mission was one of the last, by that time you can't start a romance with anybody and your forced to die alon. So in ME3 Sfemale got only 1.33 romance option, Lfemale got 2 (and Samantha was awesome, the Sguys had defently something to be jaluse of, she saves the friking world with a touth brush!!!XD) Gguys got 2 and Sguys got 5. Sfemshep got screwed.

 

In DA2 we basicly got two broody guys (a terorist and an ex slave) and we also always seem to get the romance that ends in death. I'm getting really sick and tierd of those two.

 

I personaly have no intrest what so ever in the Iron bull. I don't mean to offend, he seems like a really cool character. Its just that no self respecting woman would want to date a guy that beds everything that moves.

 

So I want to know if there are others in this forum that have the same worrys as me? And what kind of romances would you want to see in DAI and future Bioware games?

 

In this post we mean no offence to anybody. I congratulat gay guys for geting Dorian he seems like a really cool character, and I am happy that you are finally getting representation. I'm just worrid about the option I will get in DAI, and I would like to disscuss it with my fellow strait woman character planner without being harrased. Thank you for your understanding.

 

I know I have speling mistakes, English is my thierd launguge. So I appologies.

 

When your talking about Sfemale romances, you can refer to which ever game you want : )

I am a little concerned as well. I like to play a female/mage (straight) and SO FAR there are no options for a male/mage romance. There is no male/elven choice for her either. If there is going to be a variety, lets be fair about it! I love Dragon Age games. I thought this time around they would be fair with the romance options. I think it's great the gay community has representation, but let's not forget the straight/female players who do not play "warriors" nor want to romance them! I romanced Anders because Hawke was a straight female mage and I thought it would be a great story that they had so much in common.  UHHH, they ruined my funny guy from Awakenings, but I "magemanced" him anyways! haha

[suliabryon]

Wow, I have SO many thoughts and feelings on this.

 

~ Bioware does a great job of being inclusive. I love that they include straight, Bi and Gay romance options. I waiver back and forth on whether or not I'd prefer all characters to be available to any type of romance, or what they are doing with DAI by making characters who are definitively one or the other. I've had some time to think about it, though, and I really think I like them having characters who are definitive. It makes them more real! And since character is IMHO one of Bioware's greatest strengths in general, I think it just falls right in line with that.

 

~ Gay characters, the Dorian argument, etc. So...I think people get caught up in assumptions. They think Dorian is just going to be a stereotype, created just for the sake of his sexuality. I don't see that at all. I mean, I can't say for sure until I've played with him that he doesn't have some kind of stereotyping to his character, but I think, too, that people are going to see what they want to. They'll break apart what he says, how he acts, his background, and if they want to find a stereotype, they will. They did it with Zev. They will with Dorian, too. Me, I see a complex character to which his sexuality just adds one more dimension. His background as a Tevinter mage promises a lot of depth for roleplay that has nothing to do with his sexuality, and I, for one, am looking forward to getting to know him, which also has nothing to do with romance or his sexuality.

 

~ On the subject of playing a straight woman in Bioware games. *sigh* I would like to say Bioware has done an awesome and amazing job with it! And in some respects, they have. Alistair and Zev were both enjoyable storylines for me in DA:O. (One could argue that it was really the men who romanced Morrigan in that game who got, er, screwed.) That being said, Kaidan was kind of lackluster in ME3. If I had the whole trilogy to do over again, I might choose Garrus instead, since I absolutely adored him as my battefield BFF. Likewise, Thane, while a cool character, just didn't work for me, and boy am I glad he didn't given the ending to that romance, and Jacob was a character who just felt like he lacked any depth at all. His storyline was very simple, he seemed rather stereotypical, and a romance with him seems as though it would have been a fling to me, nothing deep or satisfying. And let's not get me started on DA2...that game left me scarred on so many levels (not just the romance). Let's just say, the next time a Bioware character tells me we shouldn't get involved because he is only going to hurt me, I will believe him. In fact, a friend and I joked that we should have done a male hero playthrough and romanced Merrill, as she seemed the only truly decent romance in the bunch. But YMMV, and my experience isn't the same as every other straight woman's.

 

My point is, yes, as much as it pains me, I do agree with the OP, that the female romance options to date mostly need some work. But we'll see what I think after Inquisition. I do believe that Bioware is striving with every game to improve and offer better characters, deeper stories, and more realistic romance options. (Let me just add...let's only get SO realistic, kay? I like some fantasy in my fantasy gaming. It's okay if a guy is so awesome he's not quite real.

[OrayMoor]

I am a little concerned as well. I like to play a female/mage (straight) and SO FAR there are no options for a male/mage romance. There is no male/elven choice for her either. If there is going to be a variety, lets be fair about it! I love Dragon Age games. I thought this time around they would be fair with the romance options. I think it's great the gay community has representation, but let's not forget the straight/female players who do not play "warriors" nor want to romance them! I romanced Anders because Hawke was a straight female mage and I thought it would be a great story that they had so much in common.  UHHH, they ruined my funny guy from Awakenings, but I "magemanced" him anyways! haha

 

Lets cross fingers that Solas is an avelible choice and pray to god that he is not whinny 

[Shadow Fox]

What about their designs specifically makes them attractive to the opposite sex, rather than the same sex? Can you tell a character's orientation from their appearance? 

 

And if people are genuinely upset about not being able to romance Sera and Dorian - let alone if they actually think it's a conspiracy designed to frustrate and annoy straight players - I guess they'll just have to... move on? I mean, I understand and empathise with the situation, but nobody can get everything they want. Feeling left out is hardly a new experience for players that hoped for female-female and male-male romances in Bioware's games, we should keep in mind. 

 

Perhaps a better lesson from this is to not assume a character's sexuality when you first lay eyes on them. That works for fictional people and real people, too!

Well keeping in mind there were/are gay gamers interested in Alistair,Morrigan,Cassandra and Cullen who are straight...

 

I'm failing to see how Bioware is conspiring against straight gamers by making 2 gay companions.

[aTigerslunch]

Straight female options right now are Cullen and most positive Bull (not dwarf though, its heavily implied he is)

[9TailsFox]

Straight female options right now are Cullen and most positive Bull (not dwarf though, its heavily implied he is)

I am to lazy to try to look link but there will be 2 race gated romances. Iron bull have sex with everyone he don't break so 99.99% he bisexual and can romance only qunari and inquisition table.

Second I would bet money on Varric dwarf and female only.

[aTigerslunch]

It was stated that their wouldn't be dwarf Qunari do to cinematic designs. So, yeah, Bull no dwarves. Storywise LI racegate is possible with Vivi to not be with elves is likely cause that was heavily said, racegated via storywise. Dev's words.

[daveliam]

It was stated that their wouldn't be dwarf Qunari do to cinematic designs. So, yeah, Bull no dwarves. Storywise LI racegate is possible with Vivi to not be with elves is likely cause that was heavily said, racegated via storywise. Dev's words.

I don't think that the qunariXdwarf animation issues have been confirmed as definitely stopping those romances. I think it was just an example used by a dev to explain how animation issues MIGHT affect romances. People are assuming that this statement, combined with the 'anyone he won't break' statement, means that IB will be gated against dwarves but it's not confirmed yet, to my knowledge. Of course, IB isn't even confirmed as a romance yet . He might be a fling or even unavailable altogether.

[9TailsFox]

It was stated that their wouldn't be dwarf Qunari do to cinematic designs. So, yeah, Bull no dwarves. Storywise LI racegate is possible with Vivi to not be with elves is likely cause that was heavily said, racegated via storywise. Dev's words.

Bioware can't put Qunari with horns in DA:O

[daveliam]

Bioware can't put Qunari with horns in DA:O

Wait, you don't really think that the reason that there weren't horned qunari in DA: O is because they couldn't figure out how to put a horned character model in the game, right? It was because of helmets, which are noticeably missing from the picture you included......

[9TailsFox]

Wait, you don't really think that the reason that there weren't horned qunari in DA: O is because they couldn't figure out how to put a horned character model in the game, right? It was because of helmets, which are noticeably missing from the picture you included......

In DA:I Qunari can't wear helmets. But about DA:O I don't know real reason you may be right. And they can't put inventor chest in DA:O for some reason, mod did it.

[daveliam]

I still think one of the issues with this is that as of DAO Bioware got me used to having the same number of romance options as guys.  Before that, I really didn't have an issue with having fewer because I recognized that women represented a much smaller percentage of their player base.  (It also just made me play more male characters to get more romance options).  The same happened with DA2 and homosexual romances.  Now, everybody is used to "equal" and thinks anything less is a step backwards.  Don't get me wrong.  I like having as many options as straight guys, but the more and more and more categories of people that get introduced, the more and more LIs they have to make in order to keep it "equal."  Inevitably, somebody will have less choices due to resources.  I sort of hope they break this "equal" expectation rather soon. 

 

Let's use SWTOR as an example.  Instead of making 11 romances for straight males and 8 romances for straight females, they could have made 3 straight female characters, 5 bisexual female characters, 3 lesbian characters, 2 straight male characters, 4 bisexual male characters, and 2 gay male characters. 

 

This makes it more "equal" and everyone has more than enough romance options.  Why would this be a bad approach?