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[SwobyJ]

Think about black people, or moreso Native Americans. They never did anything to white people back then when they were first introduced, but they became slaves, there I personally believe that the reason some people are still racist modern day is stems because of the stigma that they were once slaves. They had a superiority complex, the same can be said for elves. It was once perfectly acceptable to have elf slaves.

 

I think thedas in is the midway point between those days and modern day. No one other than elves care too much if someone has an elven slaves but the politically correct attitude is to frown upon it

 

Not all Native Americans were friendly

 

Both of these.

 

I'm sure between Tevinter and the Elves, there were terrible people on both sides. Elves that thought themselves innately superior and wanting the humans pushed out. Humans that wanted to take all the Elves had and make it their own.

 

In the end, the decline of the Elves occurred and we mostly hear one part of the story. IRL I'm absolutely sure there were brutal natives that terrorized others. But the 'whites' ultimately 'won' and their version of events prevailed instead of just being one part of the story, the more nuanced truth of things (historical perception is often in broader strokes than we would like).

 

 

(Human) Thedas *appears* to be gradually improving its relations to elves, but Dragon Age is in that transition period. Many old grudges, but with the facing of much larger threats to both sides' survival, the definition of 'sides' may change over time. When we got mage and spirit and demon stuff everywhere, it can make regular human/elf relations look quaint.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Think about black people, or moreso Native Americans. They never did anything to white people back then when they were first introduced, but they became slaves, there I personally believe that the reason some people are still racist modern day is stems because of the stigma that they were once slaves. They had a superiority complex, the same can be said for elves. It was once perfectly acceptable to have elf slaves.
 
I think thedas in is the midway point between those days and modern day. No one other than elves care too much if someone has an elven slaves but the politically correct attitude is to frown upon it

Not everything is about slavery and arbitrary discrimination you know. Thedas gets nothing from elves and gets a lot from the dwarves, that's a clear and non-racial reason for the discrimination exsisting. Its shitty, yes, but I doubt the elves, dwarves, or qunari, would do differently, were they in the humans places.

Also, not all native americans were peaceful, being a scattered people divided into numerous tribes, customs, and believes. Nor were all black people innocent in the slave trade. The "They never did anything to white people back then" is most likely not true, and It's dangerous to generalize any side when discussing things that affect the modern day.

[SwobyJ]

Thedas would get a lot from elves. But Thedas tends to be scared of magic - and ancient magic would be the elven contribution instead of more concrete resources. So lets just ghettoize them and push the rest of them into the forest.

[Eveangaline]

Not everything is about slavery and arbitrary discrimination you know. Thedas gets nothing from elves and gets a lot from the dwarves.

They probably get a lot from the elves in cheap labor

[Cainhurst Crow]

Thedas would get a lot from elves. But Thedas tends to be scared of magic - and ancient magic would be the elven contribution instead of more concrete resources. So lets just ghettoize them and push the rest of them into the forest.

Dwarves supply Lyrium, which only they can mine without dying, regulate the trade in accordance to human customs, selling only to the chantry or imperium, Metals and Minerals, which they naturally find in their environment, take up no land, because they live underground where humans don't care about, and don't care about anything that happens on the surface, making them a lot like Switzerland now that I think about it.

Elves can supply hunters, which humans have abundance of, Require surface land, which the humans have or want, preform magic, which humans can already do in controlled environment, don't like listening or obeying laws by humans, which makes them highly rebellious and hard to work with, and generally do things to give humans a hard time when they can, which is returned in favor by human douchebags and causes an endless cycle to emerge.

What do elves give humans again, beneficially?

[Nyeredzi]

Not all Native Americans were friendly, and isn't it hinted at that the elvess may have provoked the humans a bit. Also, you're modern day racist thing is pretty off. Mexicans were never enslaved by blacks or whites but can still dislike them.

The British were all hostile in general, their intent was to conquer and subjugate. After that, that's when they started saying "we're all cool".

[Cainhurst Crow]

They probably get a lot from the elves in cheap labor

What cheap labor? Human poor have physically stronger bodies and can work harder with a higher endurance then elves, making them better at general menial labor then elves anyway.

[Cainhurst Crow]

The Europeans were all hostile in general, their intent was to conquer and subjugate. After that, that's when they started saying "we're all cool".

Not quite so. Slavery, as we know it with racially motivated and life long terms, was a practice invented by the African nations as a humiliation to their enemies, a byproduct of their caste system. It just so happened the Portuguese came along and managed to persuade a lot of African leaders to sell them other Africans in exchange for goods or funds. Thus the slave trade was born and prospered until countries began to outlaw slavery. And once that happened, africa didn't have much to persuade others not to invade them, and had kept itself fractured enough for Europeans to step right in and start taking over. Sad fact is, the Africans were kinda shitty assholes, and ended up reaping what they sold in the long run, while their victims got to enjoy the long road to equality in better and less warlord ruled nations.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Blacks didn't as a race. The Muslims yes, but blacks didn't come as a race to terrorize white people. Why would they?

Same reasons europeans would have, land, power, resources, any number of reasons. Stuff the europeans were more then happy to supply the Africans through beating certain peoples rivals, and awarding that territory to them as peace offerings, to keep their highly lucrative human trade market operating.

The myth that the white man, who should be portuguse if we are being historically accurate, swooped down onto africa and snatched people up left and right, is a falsehood. But telling people how african lords sold their rivals and rivals people as property doesn't have as easy to process a message as blaming an entire race for atrocities committed in history does.

[Nyeredzi]

Not quite so. Slavery, as we know it with racially motivated and life long terms, was a practice invented by the African nations as a humiliation to their enemies, a byproduct of their caste system. It just so happened the Portuguese came along and managed to persuade a lot of African leaders to sell them other Africans in exchange for goods or funds. Thus the slave trade was born and prospered until countries began to outlaw slavery. And once that happened, africa didn't have much to persuade others not to invade them, and had kept itself fractured enough for Europeans to step right in and start taking over. Sad fact is, the Africans were kinda shitty assholes, and ended up reaping what they sold in the long run, while their victims got to enjoy the long road to equality in better and less warlord ruled nations.

Before I even question the source, or even if you had the source.... I gotta ask you not to say Africans brah, cause there were a LOT of African civilizations. I can tell you're biased.

 

I'm from Zimbabwe, and that vast, Southern African land alone was inhabited by dozens of Shona speaking tribes, each with their own culture, but they lived peacefully because they were banned under the three spirit mediums, Nehanda, Kaguvi, and Chaminuka. 

 

Chaminuka is an ancestor of the Shona people, who include VaZezuru, VaKaranga, VaManyika, VaNdau, VaKorekore, BaNambiya, BaVenda, and BaKalanga. These are dialect groups of the Shona as a family. Chaminuka's stature as a religious figure is best understood in relation to his place in the Shona lineage as a family and the role that he played as a founder of Zimbabwe.

 

The original Chaminuka belongs to the lineage of Tovera, the earliest known ancestor of the Shona according to their history. Tovera's son, Mambiri, is the father of Murenga Sororenzou, the founder-architect of Zimbabwe. Murenga's children include Chaminuka, Nehanda, and Mushavatu. Mushavatu's descendants are the preferred mediums of Chaminuka. The original home of the Shona before they came to Zimbabwe was Tanganyika (Tanzania), which means Origin of the World in Shona. The Shona migrated from Tanganyika to southern Africa as a family. They maintained their family structure as a model ...

 

 

Ever heard of the empire called Great Zimbabwe....just saying...those preconceptions of yours are messed.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Before I even question the source, or even if you had the source.... I gotta ask you not to say Africans brah, cause there were a LOT of African civilizations. I can see you're biased too.

Alright, if you wanna ignore the existence of the Ashanti, Bamana, and Dahomey, and the bloody history of Western Africa, cause it doesn't support your theory. Well then, you're welcome to do so.

Just saying, africa's history is fucked up, and its not like they didn't have a hand in exploiting their own continent for mercantile gain.

[Nyeredzi]

Alright, if you wanna ignore the existence of the Ashanti, Bamana, and Dahomey, and the bloody history of Western Africa, cause it doesn't support your theory. Well then, you're welcome to do so.

Just saying, africa's history is fucked up, and its not like they didn't have a hand in exploiting their own continent for mercantile gain.

Western Africa, not the whole continent.

 

And that place was already influenced by the Muslim religion, and slavery is kind of their thing

[Cainhurst Crow]

There, Western Africa, not the whole continent.
 
And that place was already influenced by the Muslim religion....

You say that as if you got a problem with Muslims.

[Deflagratio]

If it made sense, it wouldn't be racism.

[General TSAR]

[Saints]

Have you played the game before? 

[Nyeredzi]

You say that as if you got a problem with Muslims.

I meant they are pretty open about slavery

[godModeAlpha]

Remember the humans defeated the elves, I think this was after they helped Andraste.

The elves are displaced and Unfortunatly are not able to defend them selves unlike the Dwarves, hence we enter the era of slavery.

This is the situation that I think.

[TK514]

Elves live on the surface and compete with humans for land and resources. The dwarves, however, lived underground and have a stranglehold on resources that the humans want, most notably lyrium which only dwarves can safely mine. Dwarves are thus deemed useful while elves are seen as competion.

This.

[leaguer of one]

"They're too pretty."

"Ya, that just mean I get force on just for being"

"Hooray me"

*Rolls eyes.

-Female commoner Warden

[Nyeredzi]

Elves remind me of the Irish

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

What the hell did elves ever do to humans?

Besides fight a war against them, you mean?

If I lived in the dragon age universe, and I was a normal, average elf who has nothing I would join the Qun

And if they told you your place in the Qun was to do something you didn't enjoy for your entire life, you'd be content?

[leaguer of one]

I meant they are pretty open about slavery

You're both right. Just because it happened in the content does not mean it happen all over the content. Some place were peaceful. Other places were competitive. This a pointless argument.

[ElementalFury106]

Answer is pretty simple. Good relation with the Dwarves is extremely valuable and absolutely crucial. They fund and basically control the lyrium trade. Without the trade, the Chantry, Templars, and Circle of Magi would fall apart.

 

Not to mention their smiths are the finest in all of Thedas. I'm sure several human armies have trade systems in place with the dwarves, using their exquisite craft to bolster their military prowess. 

 

The cool answer is because Dwarves are hilarious and badass.