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[Inquisitor Mary Sue]

Like everything in Thedas it is all Tevinter's fault.

[Althix]

topic starter. it's very simple.

 

humans came, destroyed elven culture and conquered their lands. purge the weak.

[Inquisitor Mary Sue]

I am by no means a lore expert however I heard the Elves were the ones who threw the first stone? Or was this merely a fan theory?

[Master Shiori]

It's pure speculation since there is no evidence to support such a claim. The only thing we know for a fact is that at some point Tevinter enslaved the Elves.

[KC_Prototype]

Because elves had knowledge humans wanted and they had land humans wanted. They also didn't do what humans wanted so.....they gotta be punished.

[BouncyFrag]

Because the Qun demands it!

[Lebanese Dude]

Because elves had knowledge humans wanted and they had land humans wanted. They also didn't do what humans wanted so.....they gotta be punished.

 

Humans master race tbh

[KC_Prototype]

Not all Native Americans were friendly, and isn't it hinted at that the elvess may have provoked the humans a bit. Also, you're modern day racist thing is pretty off. Mexicans were never enslaved by blacks or whites but can still dislike them.

Weren't they natives of Mexico enslaved by Spain(white men)? Thus creating the modern day Mexicans?

[KC_Prototype]

Humans master race tbh

HYFR! 

 

*Hell Yeah ****** Right*

[Bayonet Hipshot]

There are many perspectives to this.

 

From a historical perspective, the elves preceded the humans when it comes to being the dominant force on Thedas. Humans had to wrest control from the elves. Naturally, humans would want to keep elves down or far away from each other so that they may never rise again. Perhaps Briala might fix that if she can create an alliance between the Dalish Elves and the City Elves. The dwarves on the other hand, have never actually interfered with humans as such since humans did not venture to occupy underground spaces. However, if Thedas as a continent experiences modernization like our world does ( it won't but it never hurts to entertain the notion), humans would not mind expanding into the underground in order to have more living spaces which would mean a war with the dwarves. Since that will not be happening...

 

From a military perspective, dwarves are much more useful to humans. Dwarves fight and die in their fight against darkspawn almost daily. Dwarves are the fodder that allows the surface world to have a break between Blights. A fodder that humans of Thedas, I suspect, need very much. As for Elves, barring the ancient magical knowledge such as Arcane Warrior (which cannot be used by most humans and require great deal of training by mages) or Eluvian (which is a more pleasant journey for the elves), they have next to nothing to offer to humans in the military sense. 

 

From an economic perspective, dwarves and elves fulfill very different roles. Elves clean chamberpots, maintain the cleanliness of the environment and act as courtesans whereas dwarves trade, offer lyrium, enchanted weaponry, enchanted armory as well as shady criminal networks like the Carta to get things done. It is not secret that dwarves monopolize the trade of lyrium which forms the backbone of mages and templars, both of whom are essential to the Chantry. Naturally, humans would prefer the elves to be servants and dwarves to be traders. 
 

From a population perspective, dwarves are far less in number than elves. Dwarves also have a lower reproductive rate than that of elves. Which means dwarves will not be a threat to humans in any sense. 

 

From a technological perspective, dwarves are far more advanced than humans. In fact only the Qunari rival or surpass the Dwarves when it comes to technology. It is one of the truisms of the world that a technologically superior species will always be, in some sense, untouchable by the technologically inferior ones. On the other hand, elves have all but lost their culture and their technological capabilities. Additionally, elves, unlike dwarves, do not wish to innovate and improve their technology but rather to go want to go back to their past (even though that past was a failure). Obviously Branka and some dwarves had gone down this "our people were awesome in the past" but I do not think they can compare to the fanatical nature of the Dalish who wants to live the way as they did in the days of Arlathan. 

 

The only advantage elves have over dwarves as a collective is that elves are the prettiest race in Thedas. Thing is that only makes that species more prone to take roles that pretty people will such as servants or lovers or mistresses.

 

[Gtdef]

Cause elves are sentimental morons. How can anyone like them.

[adorkable-panda]

I'm an elf lover and even I can confidently say that they are the race with the least amount of backbone, at least shown in the games. Thus far there hasn't been a truly "strong" elf character, and don't count the warden and maybe!inquisitor either because I personally felt elves just bend over and let themselves get picked on which grinds my gears since I love them so much. 

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

The elves of the Dales were just keeping to themselves and the land that was theirs. Humans for some reason are crazy bastards who want to start problems when there is none.

The elves were granted the Dales as a reward for fighting against Tevinter & they decided to repay the human generosity by watching from the sidelines as the darkspawn ravaged the land then trying to take advantage by invading a weakened Orlais. If the Dales had been good neighbours rather then trying to make their immortality myth come true they could have been human allies but instead they made life worse for themselves.

[Heimdall]

The elves were granted the Dales as a reward for fighting against Tevinter & they decided to repay the human generosity by watching from the sidelines as the darkspawn ravaged the land then trying to take advantage by invading a weakened Orlais. If the Dales had been good neighbours rather then trying to make their immortality myth come true they could have been human allies but instead they made life worse for themselves.

Without getting into the more controversial statements, things probably would have gone better for the elves if they had played nice with the human kingdoms instead of putting out a do-not-disturb sign.

[Vilegrim]

What the hell did elves ever do to humans? Are humans just nasty boshtets, cause if it is racism, I say it is childish and disgusting. If I lived in the dragon age universe, and I was a normal, average elf who has nothing I would join the Qun. Eff eternal poverty, everyone is equal in the Qun. Better chances of survival, and a life of respect and dignity. Off to Par Vollen.

 

 

Power, the Dwarves have a nation which is the only source of Lyrium, mess with that and the entire chantry falls, as the templars cease to function as church militant.  That hammer means that the chantry can't decree (as it has for elves) internment and forced conversion.

[NewBlue]

Thus far there hasn't been a truly "strong" elf character

Your profile pic is ironic lol

[TheChris92]

Because in any fantasy that slightly resembles Tolkien, humans have to be the biggest pillocks, and heavily handed racist towards anything that isn't them. In other words.

[Roamingmachine]

Dwarves can collapse the entrances to their world and not miss the surface one bit. Combine that with their total monopoly on lyrium and and they can pretty much use andrastes' urn as a bedpan and only get some angry words from the humans. Elves never had such a defence. What happened to them is pretty much how human douchbaggery works in real life, only we have to settle with those superficially different within our own species instead of an entirely different species.





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[adorkable-panda]

Your profile pic is ironic lol

xD Like I said I love elves but I don't think any of them were super duper strong. I love Fenris but even he himself had many weaknesses and did not handle them well. And I don't even need to go into Merril. I feel like the universe that Dragon Age is in practically works against mages in any way and makes them subservient to all other races as we've yet to see a well rounded elf character, which by DAI I'm sure that Solas and Sera can provide. 

[StrangeStrategy]

Because dwarves have skills other than excelling at poverty.

 

Dwarves are pretty skilled at that I agree, Dust Down is probably worse than any alienage. Also, they mine Lyrium and fight darkspawn so the humans don't have to. And they're few on the surface compared to elves, and humans don't live underground so the humans never took dwarven lands.

[StrangeStrategy]

I'm an elf lover and even I can confidently say that they are the race with the least amount of backbone, at least shown in the games. Thus far there hasn't been a truly "strong" elf character, and don't count the warden and maybe!inquisitor either because I personally felt elves just bend over and let themselves get picked on which grinds my gears since I love them so much. 

 

- Fenris lived alone, hunted for many years and is a great warrior. No one messes with him and lives.

- Zathrian solo'd an entire bandit group and rescued Lanaya, and has been alive for many years and is a powerful mage,

- Briala is an elf who knows how to play the game. Thanks to her, she helped improve the lives of City Elves throughout Orlais by manipulating Celene. Also, she can really fight.

- The Dalish in general say "No." to humans and even City Elves because they refuse to "bend over and get picked on".

 

I'd say the race with the least amount of backbone is the humans, if only because the majority of them are peasants.
A City Elf knows how to deal with hatred, violence and crime constantly.
A regular human isn't used to that, so they can't deal as well as an elf. They're used to simple lives.
 

[Beerfish]

The elves have done nothing?  Could have fooled me.

[BronzTrooper]

I'll give the point the city elf origin

 

If we remember she headr rumors but never had time to look into iy. granted they could reported it to one of her Lieutenant whoo shoved to the bottom of a pile somewhere. i mean Aveline still had rotten guards. yes i would want justice if my sister raped. but i wouldnt kill a man for it. corect me if im wrong but i believe between the rape and murder was only a matter of few days.

 

but you still the elves of the dales killing everyone and murder more like it.

 

Aveline doesn't need to be the one to look into it.  Her lieutenants can handle looking into something like that, but they'd still have to report it to Aveline.  Besides, two days is enough time to start an investigation into it and suspend the accused guard from duty.  The fact that nothing happened just shows that members of the guard do not care about how the elves are treated.  Considering how city elves are beat down by humans, they have little choice other than by taking justice into their own hands.  Remember: the city elves are a close-knit community.  If one of them is hurt, abused, or killed, the whole alienage will know about it very quickly and they will want justice.  Due to their standing in human society, they'd likely have to get justice on their own.  Yes, there is a fine line between rape and murder, but think about it this way: it was either confront the guard, or let him get away with it.  The elves chose to confront the guard and it ended up with him ending up dead.  We don't know all the details, however.  I doubt they had murder on their minds, tbh.  Most likely, they wanted to beat the guard up and ended up accidentally killing him.  Then again, they could have killed him on purpose.  Like I said: we don't know all the details.

[SwobyJ]

It's less that there's nowhere else to go, and more that there's nowhere to go that'd be safe (and if they go to another alienage, they'll eventually face another arranged marriage). Unless you're a mage, whether you're elf or human you really need the protection of a community if you want to go live outside of the city on your own or as a small family -- not to mention the knowledge of building your own shelter and getting food.

It's a dangerous world.

 

Sort of. But City Elves are actually written to be between worlds. Discriminated on in the world they now know, but finding the old world of theirs to be distasteful (or this old world itself utterly rejecting them).

 

Like then Native Americans were Christianized.

[SwobyJ]

I don't want to get into a game world/real world debate about racism, but I will say that the strong opions over both sides is one of the reasons why I like the Darkspawn, or the Reapers, or the White Walkers; well apart from the fact that I really enjoy the non-human, and ultterly alien elements of various works of fiction.

 

It's becuase these factions or creatures have the perfect way of elimiating racism, or at the very least putting it on back burner for a long time; they are an undoubtly evil force that everyone has to come together to fight. You might call it shallow writing, but its funny how quickly racial animity tappers off when the monsters that are coming to kill everyone is at Thedas'/the Milky Way's/Humanity's doorstep.

 

It's a morbid thought, but sometimes I can't help but wonder if a 'big bad' in the real world would be the kick in the pants we all need to atcually move beyond racism and petty political squables. An alien invasion or a robot uprising that kills a couple billion people, and I wonder if society will really care what color your skin is, or what political party you belong to, or which god you worship?

 

There's a reason why even american presidents have expressed this line of thought. They wouldn't be so torn between left and right, state and corporate, individual and group, private and public concerns - in terms of international dealings - at least for a while, if nearly everyone recognized common humanity. It would force social evolution, at least theoretically.

 

 

Of course conspiracy theorists ran with this as proof that the government of USA is going to fake an alien invasion with the help of the Illuminati, but there ya go.