I love it when Bioware gives us a morally grey faction that we can choose to side with only to suddenly rip them away and declare that they're bad guys with pitch black morality.
I have not, thus far, seen that happen.
Cerberus is what the Illusive Man says it is; that's always been consistent.
They haven't declared anything. They put mages and templars in the same level in interviews, and the hinterlands have mages and templars acting in a similar (bad) manner.I love it when Bioware gives us a morally grey faction that we can choose to side with only to suddenly rip them away and declare that they're bad guys with pitch black morality.
I have not, thus far, seen that happen.
Cerberus is what the Illusive Man says it is; that's always been consistent.
Cerberus is the most inconsistent group
I've lurked around for quite a while and I almost never see anyone support the Templars over the Mages. I've seen people in favour of both and who would've liked to stay with the Circle system, but I've never seen anyone outright believe that the Templars in the right and the Mages are utterly wrong.
You missed the bulk of the conversations. There was a 430 page thread that involved nothing but mage/templar talk. There is a lot of pro-Templars on the forums. While I disagree with many of them, they do bring up some good points. Me, I'm pretty much in the middle. I can see the merits that both sides have.
How so?
A lot of the templars that left the order (the Red Templars) went from "Somewhat grey morals, but doing the right thing," to "We've decided that using Reaper Tech taking red lyrium that drove someone crazy is a good idea." I had the same thought as Maria after I finished the ME series.
Paging MisterJB
I was thinking the exact same thing. Where is he when you need him?
You missed the bulk of the conversations. There was a 430 page thread that involved nothing but mage/templar talk. There is a lot of pro-Templars on the forums. While I disagree with many of them, they do bring up some good points. Me, I'm pretty much in the middle. I can see the merits that both sides have.
A lot of the templars went from "Somewhat grey morals, but doing the right thing," to "We've decided thatusing Reaper Techtaking red lyrium that drove someone crazy is a good idea." I had the same thought as Maria after I finished the ME series.
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A lot of the templars went from "Somewhat grey morals, but doing the right thing," to "We've decided that
using Reaper Techtaking red lyrium that drove someone crazy is a good idea." I had the same thought as Maria after I finished the ME series.
After their original lyrium supply quite possibly dried up... well, they're addicts.
...but the Templars and the Red templars are two separate groups
I'll re-word my post, because that's what I was getting it.
After their original lyrium supply quite possibly dried up... well, they're addicts.
I have the notion that they still probably would have had their regular blue lyrium, but passed it up because red lyrium can make a templar stronger. It also leads to insanity and possibly being turned into a statue, but eh...details.
I have not, thus far, seen that happen.
Cerberus is what the Illusive Man says it is; that's always been consistent.
I saw a drastic change between ME2 and ME3 but that might have just been my perception. After working alongside Cerberus and being given several opportunities to side with them against the rest of the world, you would have thought that it'd matter in the final game of the trilogy but it didn't. Instead, all of the time and effort put into seeing the inner workings of Cerberus and even working alongside them was wasted. They were reduced to unwilling pawns of the Reapers.
I won't continue with this discussion here though, since we're meant to be talking about DA:I.
Ahhh, Mage v Templar threads, how I have missed thee...
Damn i hope they won't force me chose i don't want another insane vs insane pick your insane side...
Well I just agreed with TKS in a mage v templar thread. Eveything I know is a lie.
Anyway, on topic: Yeah I'm planning a compomise between the 2, hopefully more in favour of the mages than the previous circle system. As to whether bioware will allow the option of a middle path I think it's probable. It is, however, impossible for bioware to make a compromise which suits every player simply due to the massive amount of "perect" solutions almost everyone has, so I'm expecting maybe two different compromises, probably three at the most.
I don't think anyone picks Templars over Mages. Western society has a big issue with anyone that tries to restrain the rights of others, we have a cultural obsession with liberty and freedom.
I'm almost tempted to try and defend the Templars just to be different but... Even I find it hard to side with them.
Haven't been around long, have you.
You'll find many people side with the Templars and defend their viewpoint on these forums, myself included.
Haven't been around long, have you.
You'll find many people side with the Templars and defend their viewpoint on these forums, myself included.
Heya, we were just talking about you. 
Ahhh, Mage v Templar threads, how I have missed thee...
Well I just agreed with TKS in a mage v templar thread. Eveything I know is a lie.
It happened to me to this week. When he pointed out that everyone in DA2 was insane, I couldn't help but agree. 
Anyway, on topic: Yeah I'm planning a compomise between the 2, hopefully more in favour of the mages than the previous circle system. As to whether bioware will allow the option of a middle path I think it's probable. It is, however, impossible for bioware to make a compromise which suits every player simply due to the massive amount of "perect" solutions almost everyone has, so I'm expecting maybe two different compromises, probably three at the most.
Oh, totally. There will be swarms of people that won't be satisfied because they won't be able to make the ideal choice in the situation. But we can hope that our personal 'perfect solutions' will be represented in the final product!
No chance.
"Speak of the devil and he shall appear" - Bane
Haven't been around long, have you.
So it seems, with the amount of um, feedback that comment got.
I take back everything!
The Cerberus comparison is sort of interesting. I suppose it probably says something that on BSN, people who are Pro-Templar have a tenancy to also be strongly pro-renegade or pro-Cerberus, but I've never been one of them. I think the templars are necessarily, but I've not a Cerberus fan at all.
In Mass Effect 3, I thought there was a difference in the portrayal of Cerberus but it was not really a huge stretch of believability, to me so I had no problems with it. We always knew the Illusive Man was prone to extreme tactics. I had little trouble believing he'd make such a leap, especially since unlike the templars, Cerberus is first introduced as an enemy.
When it comes to the Mage-Templar conflict in DA 3. I expect Mages and Templars are both supposed to be reasonable equal in power and morality. Since we know templars have done bad things, the mages probably are doing bad things too, especially based on the article on the Hinterlands on the main site. I remember the old articles said that they aren't going to show them both at their worst like DA 2, but I guess that remains to be seen. I would hope we get to know good people no matter which side we choose to bring into our Inquisition. And hopefully DAI does a better job making the circumstances seem equal than DA2. I was not happy when Meredith gave me powerful reasons to side against the templars, regardless of the larger issues.
In the Dwarf Warrior demo at E-3 Mark Darrah describes templars roaming the landscape killing innocents and the Inquisitor then talks to a woman who's husband was killed by templars, but unless I misheard, Darrah also says it was "a rogue group of templars." So I kind of hope we get to see many different variants of both mages and templars, instead of just 2 or 3.
I don't know what the options are going to be for compromise, (my hopes aren't high) but apparently enough Mags and Templars disagreed with their respective rebellions that they were noteworthy enough to be mentioned in WoT.
A Mage Templar thread? It appears that I am revived.
I don't think anyone picks Templars over Mages.
You're speaking on behalf of the playerbase now?
Western society has a big issue with anyone that tries to restrain the rights of others, we have a cultural obsession with liberty and freedom.
"Western society" will infringe on the rights of a select dangerous few to protect the general public.
Besides, there is a sea of difference between a normal human being and a human being capable of raining fire and brimstone and at risk of turning into a homicidal offspring of Cthulhu.
I don't think anyone picks Templars over Mages. Western society has a big issue with anyone that tries to restrain the rights of others, we have a cultural obsession with liberty and freedom.
I'm almost tempted to try and defend the Templars just to be different but... Even I find it hard to side with them.
I only side with the templars so your wrong stop trying to think you know what everyone picks cause you don´t.
You're speaking on behalf of the playerbase now?
I only side with the templars so your wrong stop trying to think you know what everyone picks cause you don´t.
To these, I say:
So it seems, with the amount of um, feedback that comment got.
I take back everything!
I'll go back and edit that one post I made and scribble out that silly remark of mine. From my experience, it seemed that relatively few players sided with Templars over Mages and it's clear that I was wrong so I'll go back and scrub out that point!
I'll go back and edit that one post I made and scribble out that silly remark of mine. From my experience, it seemed that relatively few players sided with Templars over Mages and it's clear that I was wrong so I'll go back and scrub out that point!
You're not wrong; it's still relatively few.
You're not wrong; it's still relatively few.
You're not wrong; it's still relatively few.
There are a lot of templar fans stop with your bs.
You're not wrong; it's still relatively few.
A source for that claim?
mage equal good templars equal bad its that simple enough said.
mage equal good templars equal bad its that simple enough said.
Well I'm sure no one's going to have any problem with that.
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