I agree with Xil here. Templars have no place in running the Circle and any attempt to change that shouldn't be on the table if negotiations are initiated.
Templars are why the Circle exists in the first place. So if Templars aren't allowed to have a say in the Circle dichotomy, why have the circle in the first place?
Oh right, the Tevinter Imperiium.
If the Templars have no say in it, you might as well break away entirely. See where that takes you. For better or worse.
Trying to maintain a Circle system specifically though is acknowledging the Chantry. And acknowledging the Chantry means Templars or some policing measure as well.
There's an important distinction: the templars cannot operate independently of the Chantry. If, in this hypothetical, the Chantry is governing the Circle, then the templars are there as the equivalent of national law enforcement, like the FBI. Obviously, they have an important role, but actually having them run the daily life of civilians seems, to me, to be blatantly unjust; only the Chantry and the Enchanters should be able to pass laws (and if the Chantry is making the laws, it should have a representative portion of mages within it as well).
Templars are why the Circle exists in the first place. So if Templars aren't allowed to have a say in the Circle dichotomy, why have the circle in the first place?
Oh right, the Tevinter Imperiium.
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The Chantry has enough say in shaping the parameters of magic use in Thedas. We don't need introduce templars into Circle governance also, and the Knight Commander already has enough power in a circle to me.
There's an important distinction: the templars cannot operate independently of the Chantry. If, in this hypothetical, the Chantry is governing the Circle, then the templars are there as the equivalent of national law enforcement, like the FBI. Obviously, they have an important role, but actually having them run the daily life of civilians seems, to me, to be blatantly unjust; only the Chantry and the Enchanters should be able to pass laws (and if the Chantry is making the laws, it should have a representative portion of mages within it as well).
The Templars did separate from the Chantry, that happened in Asunder.
The Chantry was the governing body of the Templars and Circle Mages. First Enchanters could speak with members of the Chantry in regards to there issues, and the Chantry controlled the Templars. Thats the whole point of DA2 and the Grand Cleric not getting involved. Thats one of the main points of Anders motivation for blowing up the Kirkwall Chantry.
I swear,
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Templars are why the Circle exists in the first place. So if Templars aren't allowed to have a say in the Circle dichotomy, why have the circle in the first place?
I think an independent Circle of Magi can provide an education to mages, and assist them in using their powers properly. It's the premise of the Magi Boon - where the Hero of Ferelden asks the new ruler of the kingdom to provide the mages with their independence. Given how it's been said that the Inquisitor can side with the mages fairly early on in the story to bring an end to the conflict with the templars, it's likely a potential option for players who disagree with the Chantry of Andraste and the Order of Templars having authority over the mages.
Oh right, the Tevinter Imperiium.
Tevinter has it's own Circle of Magi. And their own templars as well.
The Templars did separate from the Chantry, that happened in Asunder.
The Chantry was the governing body of the Templars and Circle Mages. First Enchanters could speak with members of the Chantry in regards to there issues, and the Chantry controlled the Templars. Thats the whole point of DA2 and the Grand Cleric not getting involved. Thats one of the main points of Anders motivation for blowing up the Kirkwall Chantry.
I swear,
This is a hypothetical, remember. And the issue was that the templars had taken far, far too much power over the Circle's daily running, when truth be told, they shouldn't have any.
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Tevinter has it's own Circle of Magi. And their own templars as well.
And their own divine is a mage himself. And possibly a blood mage, if Lambert is to be believed.
I couldn't relate it to anything in Southern Thedas. Might as well be an alien world.
when truth be told, they shouldn't have any.
Truth? Ahh, you mean your subjective opinion.
I think an independent Circle of Magi can provide an education to mages, and assist them in using their powers properly.
And who is going to enforce the law? Other mages?
And who is going to enforce the law? Other mages?
Mages policing mages is the joke of the entire age.
And who is going to enforce the law? Other mages?
Do Americans not enforce the law on Americans? Do inhabitants of Ann Arbor not enforce the law on inhabitants of Ann Arbor?
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Perhaps mages just need to be on their own for awhile.
If the Chantry is truly right about the dangers of magic, the mages will be the first to realize.
Some lessons are learned the hard way.
But if there's no lesson to truly learn in the first place, then what harm is it.
Do Americans not enforce the law on Americans? Do citizens of Ann Arbor not enforce the law on citizens of Ann Arbor?
Americans don't rain down fire and brimstone and are not vulnerable to be infected by demons.
The Circles need the oversight provided by Templars, there needs to be a way to prevent templar abuses of their position of power, but wholly seperating the Circle seems like a poor idea
I have the solution: Covertly indoctrinate the mages into losing their sense of identity and make them into weapons of war through Qunari mind juice.
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The Circles need the oversight provided by Templars, there needs to be a way to prevent templar abuses of their position of power, but wholly seperating the Circle seems like a poor idea
That was supposed to be the Seekers.. but they just became scarier Templars. Not something different it seems.
Do Americans not enforce the law on Americans? Do inhabitants of Ann Arbor not enforce the law on inhabitants of Ann Arbor?
Americans don't rain down fire and brimstone and are not vulnerable to be infected by demons.
Americans don't rain down fire and brimstone and are not vulnerable to be infected by demons.
The former isn't exactly a hindrance to the practice of law enforcement, and the latter is only likely to become an issue in the case of a demonic cascade that's utterly shredded the Veil. In that case, nothing would stop templars who answer directly to the Circle, not the Chantry, intervening to stop the demons.
The former isn't exactly a hindrance to the practice of law enforcement,
Do you not understand the capabilities of walking WMDs and the probability of escalation?
Well we do reign down fire
Yep with good ole fashioned American Technological Superiority.
And who is going to enforce the law? Other mages?
It's not inconceivable for some in Thedas. This can even be endorsed by the new ruler of Ferelden. Queen Anora can proclaim: "Let it be known that Ferelden's mages have earned the right to watch over themselves."
templars who answer directly to the Circle,
On another news, Al Capone is still at large.
We're not sure why we thought having the police answering to the Mafia was a good idea, but there it is.
It's not inconceivable for some in Thedas. This can even be endorsed by the new ruler of Ferelden. Queen Anora can proclaim: "Let it be known that Ferelden's mages have earned the right to watch over themselves."
Great, nation states have jurisdiction over WMDs, arms race anyone? Magic gap? Anti-Magic Defense Shield?
It's not inconceivable for some in Thedas. This can even be endorsed by the new ruler of Ferelden. Queen Anora can proclaim: "Let it be known that Ferelden's mages have earned the right to watch over themselves."
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Everything broke down with Lambert doubting the Divine's motivations. Or maybe the Divine becoming too openminded as well. And Wynne egging her on. I don't know what came over Wynne, but that whole situation with the Tranquil was fubar. And yet she treated it like some righteous cause.
But if you want checks and balances with the Templars, then you need the Seekers. But you're not going to get Seeker support acting like this.
Do you not understand the capabilities of walking WMDs and the probability of escalation?
What, you expect mages to blow up their own towers to catch the bad guys?
On another news, Al Capone is still at large.
We're not sure why we thought having the police answering to the Mafia was a good idea, but there it is.
Did you read further up, where I said that there should be templars for both the local Circles and templars answering to a higher authority, with different jurisdictions?
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