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[LobselVith8]

Which is promptly met with "lolno"

 

Followed by the mages breaking free from the Chantry, Lambert leading some Seekers and templars from the Chantry, and the Inquisitor now having the agency to help one side against the other.

[General TSAR]

Everything broke down with Lambert doubting the Divine's motivations. Or maybe the Divine becoming too openminded as well. And Wynne egging her on. I don't know what came over Wynne, but that whole situation with the Tranquil was fubar. And yet she treated it like some righteous cause.

 

But if you want checks and balances with the Templars, then you need the Seekers. But you're not going to get Seeker support acting like this.

I've become convinced that the Divine's openmindness is a danger to all civilized states of Thedas. 

[LobselVith8]

I'm going to be surprised if we truly do have agency. I have no faith in big choices - big varying world states - being in our hands.

 

It's been said the player will have a choice in siding with either the mages or the templars, to bring an end to the conflict, and even bring the group into the Inquisition.

[displayname]

Great, nation states have jurisdiction over WMDs, arms race anyone? Magic gap? Anti-Magic Defense Shield?

Honestly I would just go with the Gun Control argument.

 

Mages are like people with guns. Templars are the cops. Do people really want cops not to have a say in what someone with a gun can do? 

[displayname]

It's been said the player will have a choice in siding with either the mages or the templars, to bring an end to the conflict, and even bring the group into the Inquisition.

Its Bioware. The way that is going to work is you pick one side and then can ask them for help like in DA:O. Its not even going to be remotely entertaining. 

[Xilizhra]

Honestly I would just go with the Gun Control argument.

 

Mages are like people with guns. Templars are the cops. Do people really want cops not to have a say in what someone with a gun can do? 

Well... yes? It's not their job, it's the job of lawmakers. The cops are there to enforce that which those who do have a say, said.

[Steelcan]

Followed by the mages breaking free from the Chantry, Lambert leading some Seekers and templars from the Chantry, and the Inquisitor now having the agency to help one side against the other.

Over a decade later

[lil yonce]

Honestly I would just go with the Gun Control argument.

 

Mages are like people with guns. Templars are the cops. Do people really want cops not to have a say in what someone with a gun can do? 

Do mages get a say in what templars can and can't do in this case? Do they get a consistent, significant say in the Templar Order's operation?

[Grieving Natashina]

I heard that. It's just kind of hard to believe.

I can understand why it's hard to keep faith after ME3 and DA2.  If it helps though, Inquisition has had more development time than either of those two games (especially poor DA2,) and the DA team has been spending the last few years listening to player feedback.  I can understand your doubts and I'm not dismissing them, because I do share them to a small extent.  For me, I'm just going to keep an open mind and give them the benefit of the doubt.  I hope you can hit the same point, my metal brother.

 

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[Steelcan]

It's been said the player will have a choice in siding with either the mages or the templars, to bring an end to the conflict, and even bring the group into the Inquisition.

Yeah... With BioWare's recent history on player choice I am gonna take that with enough salt to make Lot's wife jealous

[AresKeith]

Its Bioware. The way that is going to work is you pick one side and then can ask them for help like in DA:O. Its not even going to be remotely entertaining. 

 

I still find it odd that you only get the Mages if you saved them in DAO

[MisterJB]

It's not inconceivable for some in Thedas. This can even be endorsed by the new ruler of Ferelden. Queen Anora can proclaim: "Let it be known that Ferelden's mages have earned the right to watch over themselves."

You support the elves. Do you really not see the danger in this? Do we really need to ask the city elves if they're happy with the current system where humans police other humans?

[General TSAR]

Do mages get a say in what templars can and can't do in this case? Do they get a consistent, significant say in the Templar Order's operation?

Nope and they shouldn't. 

[Xilizhra]

You support the elves. Do you really not see the danger in this? Do we really need to ask the city elves if they're happy with the current system where humans police other humans?

That's a problem of nonrepresentative government... something that the mages are also trapped under. By your logic, all humans would have to be policed by elves in this case.

[LobselVith8]

Over a decade later

 

Which doesn't change the end result: mages are now autonomous, and the Inquisitor can help them keep their independence during the Mage-Templar War - even bring them into the fold of the Inquisition.

[lil yonce]

Nope and they shouldn't. 

Then this leaves the templars with an unfair amount of power over the circles, and mages with no means to counter it. Its not going to work.

[LobselVith8]

You support the elves. Do you really not see the danger in this? Do we really need to ask the city elves if they're happy with the current system where humans police other humans?

 

Isn't that an example of the system where elves are in a subservient position to humans? Because I can see the correlation with the system where the mages where also in a subservient position.

[Steelcan]

Which doesn't change the end result: mages are now autonomous, and the Inquisitor can help them keep their independence during the Mage-Templar War - even bring them into the fold of the Inquisition.

No they are not autonomous they are in rebellion, if they win, and it doesn't get handwaved/retconned, which my money says it will because that's how DA has thus far worked, if it lasts they will be autonomous

I wouldn't expect massive world shaking alterations to Thedas that are based on player choices. They still need world states that are relatively similar to use in the next game

[General TSAR]

Then this leaves the templars with an unfair amount of power over the circles, and mages with no means to counter it. Its not going to work.

Of course it's going to work once you accept that Mages are WMD and nothing more. 

[Xilizhra]

No they are not autonomous they are in rebellion, if they win, and it doesn't get handwaved/retconned, which my money says it will because that's how DA has thus far worked, if it lasts they will be autonomous

I wouldn't expect massive world shaking alterations to Thedas that are based on player choices. They still need world states that are relatively similar to use in the next game

It wouldn't be world-shaking at all if the next game took place in Tevinter. It'd cause comment, but not huge changes to the Imperial status quo.

[LobselVith8]

No they are not autonomous they are in rebellion, if they win, and it doesn't get handwaved/retconned, which my money says it will because that's how DA has thus far worked, if it lasts they will be autonomous

 

I don't see it as rebellion since they democratically voted on their future, and they are hunted by Lambert and the rest of the Seekers and templars who defected from the Chantry of Andraste.

 

I wouldn't expect massive world shaking alterations to Thedas that are based on player choices. They still need world states that are relatively similar to use in the next game

 

Or they could simply venture to regions outside of Orlais and Ferelden, which would avoid stepping on everyone's toes.

[MisterJB]

Isn't that an example of the system where elves are in a subservient position to humans? Because I can see the correlation with the system where the mages where also in a subservient position.

 

Do not avoid the question. Your perceived subservience of the elves is irrelevant to this.

Humans policing other humans has lead to crimes commited against elves by humans being ignored. What guarantees do you offer that the mages would actually be interested in fairly and effectivelly police and prosecute their peers?