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[lil yonce]

A huge mess? Like, you know, a war?

Well, yes. Templars and mages running a circle together is not going to work. Mages should run individual circles themselves, and legislate with the Chantry on circle wide issues.

[displayname]

It's possible that the recent upswing in mage births left the Circles more populous and powerful than in the past, enough to feel as though they could break the Circle's chains. It's also possible that the accumulation of abuse over the centuries simply became too great. This mess grew out of a botched Annulment to begin with; if it had happened with any of the previous ones, perhaps the rebellion would have begun then.

Realistically, it wasn't until Asunder that everything coalesced into both sides being unwilling to compromise. The only problem was a Mage named Anders, and an inept Grand Cleric. 

[Steelcan]

Well, yes. Templars and mages running a circle together is not going to work. Mages should run individual circles themselves, and legislate with the Chantry on circle wide issues.

And that is a bad idea, we have seen that the Circle cannot be trusted to handle its own affairs, they need oversight, and the Templars with their abilities are the best candidates.

[Xilizhra]

And that is a bad idea, we have seen that the Circle cannot be trusted to handle its own affairs, they need oversight, and the Templars with their abilities are the best candidates.

The Chantry has proven no more adept at this than the Circle.

[MisterJB]

Well, yes. Templars and mages running a circle together is not going to work. Mages should run individual circles themselves, and legislate with the Chantry on circle wide issues.

What Steelcan said. The best option is to make the Templars and the mages equally responsible for the running of the Circle and leave the Chantry with the responsability of stepping in with the Seekers or the Inquisition if one side begins to substantially gain power over the other.

[Steelcan]

The Chantry has proven no more adept at this than the Circle.

and the answer is to make sure the Templars cannot run roughshod, the answer is not lining Templars and clerics against the wall

[displayname]

And that is a bad idea, we have seen that the Circle cannot be trusted to handle its own affairs, they need oversight, and the Templars with their abilities are the best candidates.

Actually I think it was in DA:O when First Enchanter Irving said that the Templars make it more difficult for him to do his job as the chief control of the CoM in Ferelden, and why Orsino so abhorrently argued Merediths measures were to strict for him to be able to control the CoM in Kirkwall.

 

Oh wait, the Templars were simply doing oversight then in both instances, nvm. Power hungry,

 

Mages, Not Even One of Them

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[Xilizhra]

What Steelcan said. The best option is to make the Templars and the mages equally responsible for the running of the Circle and leave the Chantry with the responsability of stepping in with the Seekers or the Inquisition if one side begins to substantially gain power over the other.

You're still obliterating the idea of separation of powers, not to mention allowing a military force ability to control civilian government. The Circles and Chantry could cooperate on the matter; templars should exist solely for law enforcement.

 

 

and the answer is to make sure the Templars cannot run roughshod, the answer is not lining Templars and clerics against the wall

Note that the mage rebellion isn't attacking the Chantry.

[Steelcan]

Yes I'm sure the clerics in Kirkwall's Chantry are alive and well since the mages don't target..... Oh wait

[Xilizhra]

Yes I'm sure the clerics in Kirkwall's Chantry are alive and well since the mages don't target..... Oh wait

Well, the Circle certainly didn't (not that we saw any clerics aside from Elthina there anyway).

[Steelcan]

Actually I think it was in DA:O when First Enchanter Irving said that the Templars make it more difficult for him to do his job as the chief control of the CoM in Ferelden, and why Orsino so abhorrently argued Merediths measures were to strict for him to be able to control the CoM in Kirkwall.
 
Oh wait, the Templars were simply doing oversight then in both instances, nvm. Power hungry,
 

Mages, Not Even One of Them

The Order Dictates

Irving should be grateful Gregoir isn't stricter or more like Meredith. As for her, she was insane, I'm not going to waste words defending someone who is mad

[Xilizhra]

Irving should be grateful Gregoir isn't stricter or more like Meredith. As for her, she was insane, I'm not going to waste words defending someone who is mad

Greagoir's plenty bad himself. Also, I'm reasonably sure that Greagoir receives plenty of extracurricular compensation from Irving. In bed.

[Steelcan]

Well, the Circle certainly didn't (not that we saw any clerics aside from Elthina there anyway).

. Yeah in that whole building I'm sire there was only one person.....

We didn't see anyone on Alderaan either, but we know what happened to them.

[MisterJB]

Yes I'm sure the clerics in Kirkwall's Chantry are alive and well since the mages don't target..... Oh wait

They'll kill people for looking side ways at them and people actually think not a one among them will seek to extract some revenge from local Chantries?

[Xilizhra]

. Yeah in that whole building I'm sire there was only one person.....

We didn't see anyone on Alderaan either, but we know what happened to them.

A bunch of templars were there, for some reason.

 

 

They'll kill people for looking side ways at them and people actually think not a one among them will seek to extract some revenge from local Chantries?

No moreso than the templars, at any rate. And I was meant "attacking the Chantry in any sort of organized manner."

[AresKeith]

Greagoir's plenty bad himself. Also, I'm reasonably sure that Greagoir receives plenty of extracurricular compensation from Irving. In bed.

 

Greagoir is pretty much one of the most decent Templars along with Ser Bryan from Lothering

[MisterJB]

Irving should be grateful Gregoir isn't stricter or more like Meredith. As for her, she was insane, I'm not going to waste words defending someone who is mad

Plus, not only was Orsino a blood mage willing to overlook his mage buddies cutting women apart and sewing them together, he tried to incite rebellion.

He was just as bad as Meredith.

[Xilizhra]

Greagoir is pretty much one of the most decent Templars along with Ser Bryan from Lothering

Summary executions, mind rape, attempted genocide... nah.

 

 

Plus, not only was Orsino a blood mage willing to overlook his mage buddies cutting women apart and sewing them together, he tried to incite rebellion.

He was just as bad as Meredith.

Solely to protect the Circle in the first case, and absolutely not in the second case: it's impossible to incite a rebellion against someone who has no authority over you, and the templars have no authority over the nonmage populace of Kirkwall.

[Steelcan]

An annulment is not genocide, its more like putting down a prison riot 9/10, executions are bound to happen when rules are broken and the laws ignored, as for mind rape, well I'm sure we will just disagree on that

[AresKeith]

Summary executions, mind rape, attempted genocide... nah.

 

Requesting an Annulment when a massive number of Abominations started attacking is a valid thing to do

 

What mind rape?

[Xilizhra]

Requesting an Annulment when a massive number of Abominations started attacking is a valid thing to do

 

What mind rape?

It's fine, provided they kill only demons and not mages. And I refer to Tranquility.