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[Lucijenifer]

Why the Kirkwall Circle is spawning blood Mages like a Broodmother isn't important, it's that it is.

I would agree that Meredith should have been removed from power and brought to justice for her abuses of power, but that doesn't change that the Circle was still breeding blood Mages.

And yes I agree her reasoning in game is weak, she'd have a stronger argument if instead if "we need to placate the mob" she said "this Circle is churning out blood Mages, we need to start over from scratch" she can justify it with the large amounts of blood Mages and apostates coming from the Circle.

 

But they can't start over from scratch because of the why that you insist is unimportant. Kirkwall cannout safely house a Circle without producing Blood Mages and abominations.

[Steelcan]

But they can't start over from scratch because of the why that you insist is unimportant. Kirkwall cannout safely house a Circle without producing Blood Mages and abominations.

. Honestly the whole city should be torn down, sewn with salt, and buried under a mountain.

[LobselVith8]

The issue is, these mages encountered aren't random hedge mages who just jump out of nowhere; they're apostates from the Circle.  As a result, their conduct reflects upon the Circle.  Irving even says something along these lines when he gives you your ring.

 

It's like "That well doesn't have cholera in it!  The water was consumed outside of the wel!".

 

Edit:  Meaning that, if multiple things coming from a source happen to be tainted, you can deduce that there may be an issue with the source itself.

 

Actually, some of the mage antagonists we fight have no known affiliation with the Circle of Kirkwall, so they aren't all apostates. That's why I don't find it apt to lump them all as former members of the Circle - because that simply isn't true.

 

Regardless, we are addressing the Circle being so bad it's to the point that the Right of Annulment is the only option, not an issue of some mages turning to blood magic. There's no evidence that the Circle was lost. All you're doing is pointing out that the protagonist fought mages, not providing anything that proves that the Circle was irrevocably lost. There's no evidence that the Right of Annulment was warranted.

[Lucijenifer]

Honestly the whole city should be torn down, sewn with salt, and buried under a mountain.

 

An act like that would end with the Veil becoming so thin, that I wouldn't be shocked if the buried ruins would be home to a second Breach.

[Steelcan]

An act like that would end with the Veil becoming so thin, that I wouldn't be shocked if the buried ruins would be home to a second Breach.

. Sacrifice, coming empire, and all that

[Grieving Natashina]

An act like that would end with the Veil becoming so thin, that I wouldn't be shocked if the buried ruins would be home to a second Breach.

We're going to be the Inquisitor.  We can burn down Kirkwall, salt the earth and then make sure to close any Fade tears in our wake.  Easy-peasy.  

[Xilizhra]

We're going to be the Inquisitor.  We can burn down Kirkwall, salt the earth and then make sure to close any Fade tears in our wake.  Easy-peasy.  

Hasn't Kirkwall already been eaten by red lyrium?

[Steelcan]

Hasn't Kirkwall already been eaten by red lyrium?

. Even more reason to channel Aerys II

[Grieving Natashina]

Hasn't Kirkwall already been eaten by red lyrium?

No, we'd never get that lucky.  

[Xilizhra]

No, we'd never get that lucky.  

Well, there was one piece of concept art that strongly implied it (also one of the first to show Dorian in his position as a companion).

[LobselVith8]

Well, I'm rather certain the Nevarran Accord states the Circles of Magi are autonomous, so templars running circles or helping to run them isn't something that the mages have to agree to. *I'm also assuming the Nevarran Accord is what they'd use as a basis for negotiations - precedent and all that. WoT also states that heavy templar presence in circles also undermines circle autonomy, so that has to be addressed to. A mixed force or tiered templar system could perhaps work. Oversight is fine, but its been taken to an extreme and must be scaled back. You can't put a chokehold on the circle and call it oversight.

 

Alistair actually says that the Circles are technically independent (in dialogue with the mage protagonist), but no one (Alistair included) even pretends that this is actually the case. The mage protagonist will even point out that the Circle will do whatever the Chantry says.

[BlueMagitek]

Actually, some of the mage antagonists we fight have no known affiliation with the Circle of Kirkwall, so they aren't all apostates. That's why I don't find it apt to lump them all as former members of the Circle - because that simply isn't true.

 

Regardless, we are addressing the Circle being so bad it's to the point that the Right of Annulment is the only option, not an issue of some mages turning to blood magic. There's no evidence that the Circle was lost. All you're doing is pointing out that the protagonist fought mages, not providing anything that proves that the Circle was irrevocably lost. There's no evidence that the Right of Annulment was warranted.

 

You're right.  There is nothing that proves that the Circle was lost completely.  However, that does not defeat the fact that arguing that the Circle was leaking blood mages on a large scale makes for a stronger argument for annullment than appeasing a mob which we were not shown in game.  And the Templar are supposed to protect the Circle from said mob anyway, so practically any argument is stronger than that.

[Grieving Natashina]

Well, there was one piece of concept art that strongly implied it (also one of the first to show Dorian in his position as a companion).

It just looked like it could be anywhere to me.  I didn't think it looked like Kirkwall, but who knows?  I don't think they'll just wipe out a trade port like Kirkwall off-screen though.

 

Besides, I don't want the DA team to rob me of the sweet potential of destroying that place.  Starting with The House in Hightown™ then working my way towards The Cave.™

[AresKeith]

. Sacrifice, coming empire, and all that

Kirkwall will be the first pedestal of the Banequistion

[Steelcan]

You're right.  There is nothing that proves that the Circle was lost completely.  However, that does not defeat the fact that arguing that the Circle was leaking blood mages on a large scale makes for a stronger argument for annullment than appeasing a mob which we were not shown in game.  And the Templar are supposed to protect the Circle from said mob anyway, so practically any argument is stronger than that.

. Precisely, she can say we have found X number of Blood Mages originating from the Circle, we suspect many more, we suspect the First enchanter of covering it up, and blah blah blah, that argument is much more solid than her in game one, which runs counter to the Templars duty

[Xilizhra]

It just looked like it could be anywhere to me.  I didn't think it looked like Kirkwall, but who knows?  I don't think they'll just wipe out a trade port like Kirkwall off-screen though.

 

Besides, I don't want the DA team to rob me of the sweet potential of destroying that place.  Starting with The House in Hightown™ then working my way towards The Cave.™

I seriously doubt you'll be able to if it hasn't happened offscreen.

[Grieving Natashina]

I seriously doubt you'll be able to if it hasn't happened offscreen.

Hush you, let me dream.  

 

_{You know I'm kidding anyhow.  Thanks for letting me know about the idea about Kirkwall being covered about red lyrium though.}

[Hellion Rex]

Well, there was one piece of concept art that strongly implied it (also one of the first to show Dorian in his position as a companion).

This one?

 

[Hellion Rex]

Hush you, let me dream.  

 

_{You know I'm kidding anyhow.  Thanks for letting me know about the idea about Kirkwall being covered about red lyrium though.}

It's possible that there is an outbreak that begins in Kirkwall due to the remnants of Meredith. We still don't know what happened to the statue after she was imprisoned.

[Xilizhra]

This one?

 

Right, that was one of them. The other was Vivienne against a backdrop of rock with red lyrium veins in it.

[Hellion Rex]

Right, that was one of them. The other was Vivienne against a backdrop of rock with red lyrium veins in it.

The second one was actually revealed to be in Emprise du Lion in Orlais. It's not Kirkwall.

[Steelcan]

Kirkwall will be the first pedestal of the Banequistion

kneel before Javik

[Grieving Natashina]

The second one was actually revealed to be in Emprise du Lion in Orlais. It's not Kirkwall.

Ah, thank you for that.  

[thetinyevil]

Actually, some of the mage antagonists we fight have no known affiliation with the Circle of Kirkwall, so they aren't all apostates. That's why I don't find it apt to lump them all as former members of the Circle - because that simply isn't true.

 

Regardless, we are addressing the Circle being so bad it's to the point that the Right of Annulment is the only option, not an issue of some mages turning to blood magic. There's no evidence that the Circle was lost. All you're doing is pointing out that the protagonist fought mages, not providing anything that proves that the Circle was irrevocably lost. There's no evidence that the Right of Annulment was warranted.

Like Fell Olleden(sp) the bandit you are sent after in Act 3

[Hellion Rex]

Like Fell Olleden(sp) the bandit you are sent after in Act 3

I'm sorry, who? I have no clue who that is.