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[TK514]

Well, I'm still skeptical to see how and why the war will end in the Hinterlands.

 

Seems easier to end the mages.  Since they have such limited numbers, if you wipe out the leadership then you wipe out a proportionally larger percentage of the membership that is capable of leading.  They might also have the bulk of their forces there, such that putting an end to the mages in the Hinterlands leaves nothing but scattered mop up elsewhere.

 

Harder for the Templars, but maybe they've consolidated the lyrium at some distribution centers in the Hinterlands?  I guess we'll see.

[Xilizhra]

Seems easier to end the mages.  Since they have such limited numbers, if you wipe out the leadership then you wipe out a proportionally larger percentage of the membership that is capable of leading.  They might also have the bulk of their forces there, such that putting an end to the mages in the Hinterlands leaves nothing but scattered mop up elsewhere.

 

Harder for the Templars, but maybe they've consolidated the lyrium at some distribution centers in the Hinterlands?  I guess we'll see.

It's entirely possible that, between the Red Templars and the Chantry loyalists, the Templar Order isn't much bigger than the rebellion.

[LobselVith8]

Well, I agree, though those who want a compromise might be screwed. Which would be even worse if the resolution is only regional and not global.

 

I don't see it that way. It could be a beacon of hope and prosperity for mages all across Thedas if the Inquisitor supports mage autonomy, and brings capable, trained mages into the Inquisition.

[The Elder King]

I don't see it that way. It could be a beacon of hope and prosperity for mages all across Thedas if the Inquisitor supports mage autonomy, and brings capable, trained mages into the Inquisition.

Sorry, how is this related to the people who want to pick a compromise between mages and templars (I was talking about gamers, not people in Thedas)?

[TK514]

It's entirely possible that, between the Red Templars and the Chantry loyalists, the Templar Order isn't much bigger than the rebellion.

 

Possible, but unless the majority of the Templars ignored Lambert and remained with the Chantry, it seems unlikely.  A recurring theme regarding the Templars vs the things they dispose of is numerical superiority.  It's never 'Sir Jeff the Dude rode into town and valiantly slew the Abomination terrorizing the countryside'.  Nor is it ever 'A templar showed up and took me to the Circle'.  It's always 'Twenty Templars finally slew the thing' or 'The Templars showed up, and one was nice and one was mean and blah blah blah'.

 

Would be odd for them to suddenly change that dynamic.

[Xilizhra]

Possible, but unless the majority of the Templars ignored Lambert and remained with the Chantry, it seems unlikely.  A recurring theme regarding the Templars vs the things they dispose of is numerical superiority.  It's never 'Sir Jeff the Dude rode into town and valiantly slew the Abomination terrorizing the countryside'.  Nor is it ever 'A templar showed up and took me to the Circle'.  It's always 'Twenty Templars finally slew the thing' or 'The Templars showed up, and one was nice and one was mean and blah blah blah'.

 

Would be odd for them to suddenly change that dynamic.

I think the Red Templars would have done more to reduce the Order's numbers than the Chantry. Given that the Order is only an issue in the Hinterlands and the Reds are far more common throughout the game, I think it's extremely likely that most templars are now Red.

 

For the sake of fairness, it's also quite possible that the Venatori can somehow indoctrinate rebel mages.

[azarhal]

Ehh......I'm curious if that's referring to a local conflict or the international version though.

 

Local (to Ferelden and maybe Orlais, but it seems the mage/templar plot is mostly in Ferelden while Orlais got a civil war going).

 

The Templars and Magse are spread into splinter groups and with what happen at the start of the game, probably not even a centralized leadership anymore.

[LobselVith8]

Sorry, how is this related to the people who want to pick a compromise between mages and templars (I was talking about gamers, not people in Thedas)?

 

I thought you meant the people in Thedas. Choosing a side seems optional to me, based on what Cameron Lee said. I don't think players will be forced to choose sides. As for brokering peace, it doesn't seem plausible to me; it's akin to trying to establish a truce between the NCR and Caesar's Legion in New Vegas. Both sides want the exact opposite of the other. It's most likely optional, so players can ignore it entirely if they choose to; I'm hoping for the Orlesian civil war to be the same.

[AresKeith]

I think the Red Templars would have done more to reduce the Order's numbers than the Chantry. Given that the Order is only an issue in the Hinterlands and the Reds are far more common throughout the game, I think it's extremely likely that most templars are now Red.

 

For the sake of fairness, it's also quite possible that the Venatori can somehow indoctrinate rebel mages.

 

We don't truly know how common they really are outside of two areas, compared to the Venatori and demons

[Xilizhra]

We don't truly know how common they really are outside of two areas, compared to the Venatori and demons

That's still two areas to one; they still have an edge. And if the Order would join the Inquisition in victory, it couldn't have more members than the rest of the Inquisition's armies. All signs point to the Order being severely depopulated.

[The Elder King]

I thought you meant the people in Thedas. Choosing a side seems optional to me, based on what Cameron Lee said. I don't think players will be forced to choose sides. As for brokering peace, it doesn't seem plausible to me; it's akin to trying to establish a truce between the NCR and Caesar's Legion in New Vegas. Both sides want the exact opposite of the other. It's most likely optional, so players can ignore it entirely if they choose to; I'm hoping for the Orlesian civil war to be the same.

I don't want a peace. I want an armistice. And based on my first Inquisitor's personality, he won't ignore the war.

[LobselVith8]

For the sake of fairness, it's also quite possible that the Venatori can somehow indoctrinate rebel mages.

 

Killing malevolent templars and Tevinter mages. I can live with that.

[TK514]

I think the Red Templars would have done more to reduce the Order's numbers than the Chantry. Given that the Order is only an issue in the Hinterlands and the Reds are far more common throughout the game, I think it's extremely likely that most templars are now Red.

 

For the sake of fairness, it's also quite possible that the Venatori can somehow indoctrinate rebel mages.

 

If so, they'd make a good example for my original point.  Just put 'Templars' and 'Red Templars' into the madlib for "Use the Templars to wipe out the Red Templars and then turn on them."

[TK514]

I thought you meant the people in Thedas. Choosing a side seems optional to me, based on what Cameron Lee said. I don't think players will be forced to choose sides. As for brokering peace, it doesn't seem plausible to me; it's akin to trying to establish a truce between the NCR and Caesar's Legion in New Vegas. Both sides want the exact opposite of the other. It's most likely optional, so players can ignore it entirely if they choose to; I'm hoping for the Orlesian civil war to be the same.

 

I'm getting an 'if you want the 'good' ending you'll pick a side' vibe.

[Master Shiori]

That's still two areas to one; they still have an edge. And if the Order would join the Inquisition in victory, it couldn't have more members than the rest of the Inquisition's armies. All signs point to the Order being severely depopulated.

What signs?

 

We have no hard information about Red Templars' numbers. We saw a couple of areas where they have a presence. That alone isn't enough to gauge their strength.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

But you can only achieve it if you spared the mages in Broken Circles in DAO, used a neutral stance the longest possible in DA2 that avoided causalities with Bethany surviving DA2 has a circle mage. Otherwise, you'll have to wipe out the mages or templars out of existence and either Vivienne or Cullen with suicide themselves.

 

Funnily enough that's exactly what I did. But unfortunately I doubt that would result in a compromise option. Admittedly I only know about this from other people saying it but, didn't David Gaider supposedly dislike the existence of the compromise option in ME 3?

 

Rannoch is super sad when choosing either the Quarians or Geth, especially if you have max relationship with both sides at the time (as in Tali and Legion are both alive and know eachother) and that sounds exactly like the thing a guy who supposedly loves fan tears might force players to confront to get what they want.

 

I would hope that choosing either side doesn't result in the death of all the others like it does on Rannoch though. It's possible it will I think. Even if the Inquisitor's decision doesn't kill them all in the Hinterlands or whatever, we've been told that bringing in one side to the Inquisitor will cause the other guys to become "officially the bad guys" and start causing problems in the countryside.

[CapivaRasgor]

I'm a bit skeptical that the conflict will take place only on the Hinterlands. This zone is relatively small to host a conflict of this proportion. As for a compromise, I'm with Dean_the_young on believing that if the plot offers a chance for that it will be in at it's later stages, when the side not chosen is far too exausted to continue aggressions. But then that would be more like a surrender no? Surrender leads to concessions from the losing side, which are not usually favorable to them, if that happens to be the case I don't see a middle ground being reachable here.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Why are people even assuming that the Venatori are related to the Mage-Templar war to begin with?

[The Elder King]

Why are people even assuming that the Venatori are related to the Mage-Templar war to begin with?

E3 spoiler

Spoiler

the venatori are shown in Redcliffe castle, when it was previously stated that in that world state the Inquisitor choose to and mages. Some people think that the mages might be allied to the venatori.

[EmperorSahlertz]

E3 spoiler

Spoiler

the venatori are shown in Redcliffe castle, when it was previously stated that in that world state the Inquisitor choose to and mages. Some people think that the mages might be allied to the venatori.

But there isn't actually anything to suggest that. Just because both factions are lead by mages doesn't mean they are allied after all. Also, if the Inquisitor in that world state allied with the mages (which evidently she did, since she was fighting Templars on her way to Redcliffe Castle), then it makes even less sense to connect the two.

[CapivaRasgor]

But there isn't actually anything to suggest that. Just because both factions are lead by mages doesn't mean they are allied after all. Also, if the Inquisitor in that world state allied with the mages (which evidently she did, since she was fighting Templars on her way to Redcliffe Castle), then it makes even less sense to connect the two.

I agree, personally I suspect that the Venatori are in league with the antagonist.

[azarhal]

But there isn't actually anything to suggest that. Just because both factions are lead by mages doesn't mean they are allied after all. Also, if the Inquisitor in that world state allied with the mages (which evidently she did, since she was fighting Templars on her way to Redcliffe Castle), then it makes even less sense to connect the two.

 

Technically, she fought templars and mages who didn't seem to wear Venatori outfits while going to Redcliff Castle...

[EmperorSahlertz]

Technically, she fought templars and mages who didn't seem to wear Venatori outfits while going to Redcliff Castle...

I don't recall her fighting mages anywhere else than inside Redcliffe Castle. But then again, I didn't really pay attention to what was going on on-screen as much as to what was being said.

[thetinyevil]

And with mages you'd have to be wary that they could succumb to demon temptation at any second.

Yeah.

[General TSAR]

Why are people even assuming that the Venatori are related to the Mage-Templar war to begin with?

They look to be Tevinter judging from the symbols on their loincloth and Tevinter would very likely support the mage rebellion if it means weakening the independent nations of Thedas in preparation for future annexation. 

 

But that's my 0.02 Kopecks.